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==Random Stuff==
While the mullet wig is a ghoul whelp of the range indicated it does not fire consistently after combat. I am seeing 1 in 4 to 1 in 5 whelp effects post combat. However the dolphin crown does the HP/MP bonus every time. How many dual items don't fire the second ability all the time? --[[User:smacfarl|smacfarl]] 14:47, 26 March 2008 (CST)

I think that the f3dor4 gives an additional +meat drops effect aside from the damage. --[[User:Mephistopheleus|Mephistopheleus]] 17:49, 1 March 2008 (CST)

Looks like a chef's hat gives +Meat drops, bugbear beanie deals damage. --[[User:Skolor|Skolor]] 22:07, 29 February 2008 (CST)


Going by the standard familiar conventions, text that refers to winking most likely means +meat drop, text that refers to dancing means +item drop, and text that refers to smiling means +stats.  This is fairly obvious but I thought it worth mentioning since no one else has. --[[User:Gemelli|Gemelli]] 23:02, 29 February 2008 (CST)
*In addition, I ''believe'' "smiling" indicates +stats. --[[User:Bagatelle|Bagatelle]] 11:08, 1 March 2008 (CST)
**And of course you already said that and I am an noob who has not yet permed the "reading" skill. --[[User:Bagatelle|Bagatelle]] 21:40, 3 March 2008 (CST)

Make sure you don't have the sword behind inappropriate prepositions equipped when you get the message you add to the page. --[[User:Phrak|Phrak]] 00:27, 1 March 2008 (CST)

I discovered that when I equipped the hatrack with the eyepatch (I only have one), that my avatar returned to the 'pirate' outfit state, and I had access to the Pirates Cove (in disguise). Not sure if this happens with any other hats. --[[User:Syaldia|Syaldia]] 08:10, 1 March 2008 (CST)

This is probably a stupid question but could the March hat be equipped by the hatrack?--[[User:Gotmilk|Gotmilk]] 08:44, 1 March 2008 (CST)
*The March Hat is not... a hat. --[[User:Bagatelle|Bagatelle]] 11:08, 1 March 2008 (CST)

Does anyone think the "imaginary turtle" and the "invisible elephant" from the Elder turtle shell and the Pith helmet indicate a specific effect?--[[User:Wyrd|Wyrd]] 12:57, 1 March 2008 (CST)

I was had a question about how the familiar multipliers work with the hats.  For example, an El Vibrato helmet having no weight cap, and one of its effects would be 1.0 fairy.   I would assume that 1.0 fairy would be the equivalent of a 1-lb fairy.  Now a pail having a weight cap of 7-lbs have an effect of 2.0 fairy.   I was wondering if I take a mad hatrack that's starting at 1-lbs, and I equip it with a pail, would he start out at 2.0 fairy, then 4.0 fairy when he's at 2-lbs, and so on?  And then he would reach a max of 14.0 fairy at it's max of 7-lbs for the pail?  And please don't give me a rude/and or sarcastic answer because I scanned through this page (it's pretty long) and I'm not 100% if I'm right about this or not.  Thanks.  --[[User:Lemonclaw|Lemon-claw]] 11:34, 10 May 2008 (CDT)
:Those are multipliers.  They tell you how to calculate its effective weight as a fairy/volleyball/whatever.  If it's a 1.0 Volleyball, then it acts a volleyball of its indicated weight.  So, yes, a pail at 7 pounds would act as if it was a 14 pound fairy (and would not exceed that with a pail on).  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 11:47, 10 May 2008 (CDT)

The chart indicates that the eyepatch (just the plain ol' eyepatch), acts as a 3x barrnacle, but it wasn't doing anything at all for me. Was this actually tested, or just an assumption based on what the enchanted eyepatch does? I didn't actually spade this, but I used it in a handful of combats with it capped out, so supposedly it should act 80% of the time, but i never witnessed it delevel a single time. [[User:Subbawtski|Subbawtski]] 03:43, 3 June 2008 (CDT)

== Arena ==
It's weakness is the Scavenger hunt. (familiar name) is a little too scattered to focus on a scavenger hunt. It's also the only arena event that displays a message.
That being said, it's strength appears to be the ultimate cage match. It's a 13lb winning at cage matches against a 24lb leprechaun, a 23lb volleyball, a 15lb Ghuol Whelp, and a 26lb Baby Gravy Fairy. I'm winning in 2-4 rounds and only getting 2 experience {{unsigned|Chemistron|1 March 2008, 07:11}}

== lbs Modifiers ==

I've noticed a few things regarding buffing your this familiar
*Normal lbs buffs don't seem to work (Amphibian Sympathy, Empathy, etc)
*Items that increase familiar lbs don't seem to work (Plexiglass helmet)
*Power of the hat it wears affects lbs
**Coconut shell == +6 lbs
**Brimstone Berret == +20 lbs --[[User:Grimdel|Grimdel]] 22:21, 29 February 2008 (CST)
*The disco mask, possible other 10-power hats too, has either a -1 modifier, or just changes poundage to 2. --[[User:Raisins|Raisins]] 22:24, 29 February 2008 (CST)
**I think there is just a limit based on the hat since my plexiglass helmet is giving it plus five. --[[User:Chunky boo|Chunky_boo]] 22:42, 29 February 2008 (CST)
*** I agree, could be. I have leash and sympathy active, unhated it is 1lb, with disco mask 2lb, with any 30 power hat (asshat ,bugbear beanie, pail) its at 7lbs, using dolphin king crown (35power) its 8lbs. Unfortunately thats the limit of my hat atm.--[[User:Darkness|Darkness]] 23:07, 29 February 2008 (CST)
*Based on Scolor says above - maybe the hat (power?) provides a percentage of your familiar lbs buffs?  Oh and w/o a hat, my hatrack is at 1 lb. --[[User:Grimdel|Grimdel]] 22:52, 29 February 2008 (CST)
**With Leash and Sympathy and an asshat he weighted 7 lbs, when Leash wore of he wore 6.

== Table? ==
If there are more things that can affect the hatrack, perhaps a table should be made so each hat has a row for the comment made and then any effect it may have? --[[User:Ashallond|Ashallond]] 22:39, 29 February 2008 (CST)

I vote table. It seems that through juggling hats you can make it replicate most of the non-mr A familiars in the game, sort of like a less powerful but more controllable chameleon. Plus the hats affect the familiar's weight differently. --[[User:Denarius|Denarius]] 22:46, 29 February 2008 (CST)


Can't there be a table mirroring the "familiar by ability" table?  Or at least one that breaks down the "winks" "smiles" and "dances"?
--[[User:Tacorrenti|TACorrenti]] 02:09, 1 March 2008 (CST)

Something like this?

{| cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="text-align:center"
|-
!valign="center" style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |Hat
! style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |Attacks
! style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |Gain [[stat]]s
! style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |Delevels<br/>foe
! style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |Entangles<br/>foe
! style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |Restores [[HP]]/[[MP]]
! style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |Increases meat drops
! style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |Increases<br/>item drops
! style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |Notes
|- valign=center 
| style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |[[Ancient Saucehelm]]
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
| style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |X
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|- valign=center 
| style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |[[Anniversary concrete fedora]]
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
| '''Function unknown'''
|- valign=center 
| style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |[[Antique helmet]]
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
| style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |X
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
| style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |X
|&nbsp;
|- valign=center 
| style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |[[Asbestos helmet turtle]]
| style="background-color: #EEEEEE" | [[Hot]] damage
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
| style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |X
|&nbsp;
|}

--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 02:36, 1 March 2008 (CST)

That's brilliant, now how about putting it straight in? Anyone got the skills?--[[User:Jparmar44|Jz]] 04:56, 1 March 2008 (CST)
*I've input the table above. I didn't want to populate cells that weren't 100% obvious with regards to the ability; braver souls may wish to see Gemelli's comments above (23:02, 29 February 2008) and tweak the table. --[[User:Bagatelle|Bagatelle]] 11:08, 1 March 2008 (CST)
** <s>How about we put it [[Mad Hatrack/table|here]] until it's done, then more it over?</s> Never mind. Jeez you guys are fast. ~[[User:DoubleAW|Double]][[User talk:DoubleAW|AW]] 14:18, 1 March 2008 (CST)

Should I put the weight caps of each hat into the Notes section? Should it have its own column? Or should I just not put it in the table at all?--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 16:06, 1 March 2008 (CST)
:The formula can be mentioned in the page's Note section (as it already is), so I don't see any reason to duplicate this, especially when the limits all follow a single formula.  I'll add in a link to the page's Note section in the familiar's Ability field, though, so it can be noticed a little more easily.  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 16:14, 1 March 2008 (CST)
::I actually think it'd be handy to have the cap directly calculated. The power isn't listed, so it's missing useful information. I'd vote for another column, if the table weren't so wide already. Has anyone found any "special" effects yet? If not, Notes could be converted to Cap. --[[User:Bagatelle|Bagatelle]] 16:17, 1 March 2008 (CST)
:::Why not just have the Weight be in the Special section anyway?  If there are special effects we can add them in with the weight without adding a new column, and if there aren't any special effects, just make it Lb Cap instead of Special.  I agree that having the Weight or Power on this page would be a bit useful. --[[User:The KoW|The KoW]] 16:25, 1 March 2008 (CST)

Could we have a the table link up to the combat messages that each hat gives?? IE: click on Basic meat fez, and instead of linking to the hat itself, we are directed instead to the hatrack's combat message(s) while wearing a basic meat fez.--[[User:Hetchman|Hetchman]] 16:54, 1 March 2008 (CST)

The table is great for the current mass-spade.  But given the number of hats, it is going to very unwieldy down the road.  I think we might want to keep the table in whatever form it finally evolves into, but we may want to put in on another page and keep something more simple and compact on this page.  That said, I don't have the magic bullet suggestion for what we should do in the future.  I think we might want to put detailed information on each individual hat's page, in a new section.  And the Talk pages of each hat's page could be used for spading information, to keep this page from being overly cluttered with spading information for all X number of hats in the kingdom.  However, while that suggestion can help remove some of the clutter from here, it doesn't answer what shorthand information we will eventually put here.  These are just ideas.  I think the shape of what makes the most sense may appear to us as the spading information rolls in.  --[[User:Mighty Xerxes|Mighty Xerxes]] 18:24, 1 March 2008 (CST)
:The simplest resolution should come from the fact that every hat has displayed no more than 2 abilities.  So we could hypothetically replace the table with one with 4 columns: Name; Ability 1; Ability 2; Weight Cap.  But the proper way to set this up depends on some specifics being spaded out.  For the stat gain hats, for example, are they all giving volleyball stats or do some give sombrero stats?  And at the hatrack's listed weight, or something else (like the WAF)?  Similarly for the other abilities.  And either way the table could also be broken up into several tables, which would be easier to deal with and wouldn't become so ugly when trying to use the sort options that are currently in the table.  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 19:49, 1 March 2008 (CST)

Would be nice with a column stating the maximum weight possible with the selected hat. --[[User:Nitramo | NitraMo]] <font size="-2">[http://www.hardcoreoxygenation.com/NitraMo/Save%20Adventures%20empty.xls SA] [http://www.hardcoreoxygenation.com/NitraMo/KoLTThelper/KoLTThelper.htm TT]</font> 05:15, 2 March 2008 (CST)

*Now that we have some data on the relative effectiveness of each familiar, can the table be updated to show this information?  For example, instead of the meat column just listing "meat", it can say 8*leprechaun, or 0.5*leprechaun, or whatever.  Same for the rest.--[[User:QuantumNightmare|QuantumNightmare]] 19:36, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
**This was being discussed [[#Formatting Thoughts|a little further down]].  One issue being there's still a lot missing, and I think the conjectured multipliers are based on just one or two weights (which is hardly conclusive; it could be an entirely distinct formula that just coincidentally matches up well with the lep at a few points).  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 20:03, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
***A lot of data is missing, but the wiki is the ideal place to start collecting, eh?  And I think we can be safe to assume the admins didn't write 144 new familiar formulas, given the following post from xenophobe: http://forums.kingdomofloathing.com:8080/vb/showpost.php?p=2729311&postcount=36  --[[User:QuantumNightmare|QuantumNightmare]] 20:41, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

I know that this table is incredibly long already but could the headers be repeated periodically so readers won't have to scroll as far to flip between headers and data?  --[[User:Kitsunegami|Kitsunegami]] 03:52, 30 March 2008 (CDT)
*The table is sortable and every non-blank cell explicitly states what the cell represents. Why are repeating headers necessary? --[[User:Bagatelle|Bagatelle]] 09:58, 30 March 2008 (CDT)

==References==
I am rather sure that the mummy head wrapping is a reference to the Hot Hot Heat song "Bandages." --
--[[User:Koltreg|Koltreg]] 23:53, 29 February 2008 (CST)

I forget what commercial it is, but there is one that involves an Indian crying over litter on the ground. For the Oriole-feather headdress, anyway. [[User:Jzkqm|Jzkqm]] 00:02, 1 March 2008 (CST)

I think its a reference to Disney's Aladdin.  I remember it was a line that the genie says to Aladdin when he was telling him about his life.  Bubblewrap bottlecap turtleban: <familiar> steps between you and it and shouts, "Poof! Whaddayou need. POOF! Whaddayouneed. POOF! What do YOU need." It's way too confused to attack this round. --[[User:Lemonclaw|Lemon-claw]] 00:06, 1 March 2008 (CST)

I reckon there's a "[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hatstand completely hatstand]" reference here: Thoughts? --[[User:ArgghFW|ArgghFW]] 02:31, 3 March 2008 (CST)

==Damage and HP/MP restoration formulas==
I'm almost certain that each hat that can attack or restore HP/MP has its own range, and it's not dependent on the weight of the familiar. Can anyone confirm? --[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 00:25, 1 March 2008 (CST)
*Nevermind, they all appear to be using normal formulas. The hippy wig uses the exact same formula as the ghoul whelp -- same ranges. The only exceptions would be the Epic Hats, which are restoring HP/MP at a much higher rate than normal (I'm getting 35 to 51 HP/MP restored when it triggers).--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 04:08, 1 March 2008 (CST)
Getting the mullet wig acting at 2*weight, restoring 15-30 at 10 lb, would it be an idea to add a weight modifier column to the table? Seems like there's a hat-specific modifier to the weight used in the formula for all hats, would be a handy thing to have but I've no to little experience with webpages. --[[User:DracoCracona|Draco Cracona]] 06:37, 19 March 2008 (CDT)

*My bad - the factor of two there is actually applied to the formula rather than the weight, and I guess that this happens for all the familiar effects as well. I also want to check that the formulae for familiars are currently correct, as I thought that with NS-13 they were changed to give diminishing returns (i.e. a 20 lb N will no longer be double the power of a 10 lb N). --[[User:DracoCracona|Draco Cracona]] 10:36, 19 March 2008 (CDT)

==Familiar weight formula==
With a 7 lb Hatrack, and with a collective familiar weight bonus of 51 lbs through effects and the pith helmet, the following values were noted:

MAX FAMILIAR WEIGHT BONUS PER POWER <br>
10 power: -5 lbs <br>
20 power: -2 lbs <br>
30 power: 0 lbs <br>
40 power: 3 lbs <br>
50 power: 5 lbs <br>
60 power: 8 lbs <br>
70 power: 10 lbs <br>
80 power: 13 lbs <br>
90 power: 15 lbs <br>
100 power: 18 lbs <br>
110 power: 20 lbs <br>
120 power: 23 lbs <br>
140 power: 28 lbs <br>
150 power: 30 lbs <br>
160 power: 33 lbs <br> 
170 power: 35 lbs <br>
180 power: 38 lbs <br>
195 power: 41 lbs <br>
200 power: Infinite <br>

These values remained consistent with varying familiar weight bonuses. In cases where the familiar weight bonus was less than the maximum allowed bonus for that power, the familiar weight bonus was used instead. So, the formula is: <br> <br>

Familiar weight = (Base weight) + ((Round((Power - 30) / 4)) OR Bonus weight, depending on which is lower) if power is not 200

OR

Familiar weight = (Base weight) + (Bonus weight) if power is 200.--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 01:35, 1 March 2008 (CST)

Well, that's going to make the brimstone beret rather nice.  200 power hat that you can start with even in HC, and which apparently makes the rack into a volleychaun.  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 01:46, 1 March 2008 (CST)

I was wrong on the formula before - I was looking at it from a base weight of 7, but then noticed the weight values weren't changed in certain cases when the hatrack gained a pound. The correct formulas are:

Weight = 1 when no hat is equipped.
Weight = (Base + Bonus) OR floor(Hat power / 4), whichever is lower, for power < 200. <br />
Weight = Base + Bonus for power = 200.--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 03:32, 1 March 2008 (CST)

-Hopefully I'm not the only blockhead here.  I can read the formula and I mostly understand it.  I just have a bit of a problem translating it into a real number.  Is there a way to make a formula (like for excel or something) that will allow you to put in the hat (or it's power), the base weight of the rack and any modifiers - then it spits out the actual weight?  I would does this myself, but alas I am still in BM.--[[User:Tacorrenti|TACorrenti]] 20:01, 1 March 2008 (CST)

== Dividing the hats ==

Any chance someone can sneak in and add edit dividers for the list of hats? It's difficult to edit this page without running into conflicts.

'''Maiden wig''' <Name> steps in front of you and curtseys coquettishly. <it> starts flirting with him rather than attacking.--[[User:Foggy|Foggy]] 06:26, 1 March 2008 (CST)

== Borked ==

Looks like the page has become too big to work with... Snow Queen Crown onwards isn't displaying properly. How about binning the image links for now, and just recording messages? --[[User:Jonbly|Jonbly]] 07:10, 1 March 2008 (CST)

Okay, doubling up here. I think we need to put the hat-specific reference links on the page with the hats they go with. The reference section will otherwise be too massive. --[[User:Unnatural20|Unnatural20]] 09:55, 1 March 2008 (CST)
*The "complete" list of messages is now split into several pages (e.g., [[Mad Hatrack Messages (A-E)]]) to prevent hitting the template limit. For consistency's sake, we should probably add the messages to the appropriate hat pages, and migrate the references from the "complete" page to the hat pages. --[[User:Bagatelle|Bagatelle]] 11:08, 1 March 2008 (CST)


== +Meat? ==
I've noticed that the makeshift turban does not do its message agianst the hippys on the battlefield(which do not drop meat) and in the organic orchard the hatchling chamber he gives the following message(where they do drop meat)

<Name> winks at you and says "would you like a Squishee? Stereotypes are funny!" 
You gain 90 Meat. 

Is it possible that things that do not drop meat for the mad hatrack do not give the secondary message? Because i know that the makeshift turban is giving +meat. (from 41-60 Meat according to the wiki to 90ish with no +meat on me) [[User:Crasn|Crasn]] 13:01, 1 March 2008 (CST)

== Custom Hats ==

Ok, spading should go as normal except when spading the [[MAHI fez]] and the [[Sombrero De Vida]] as these are custom item hats and as such, can only be spaded by their individual characters [[BoozerBear]] and [[User:VidaLondres]] and that's only IF they have this IotM. As such, I recommend taking both these items of the Mad Hatrack page or just not include Custom Items until something is figured out. --[[User:Devion|Devion]] 10:06, 4 March 2008 (CST)

== Weight cap ==
It seems as though either some hats cancel Sympathy, or they all do and some raise levels. I have HC Sympathy, and a 3 pound hat rack. It appears 5 pounds with a bum cheek, 3 pounds with a disco mask, and the rest are regular. --[[User:Raisins|Raisins]] 22:18, 29 February 2008 (CST)

Do you lose poundage if you equip to a hat that has a level cap below what the current Mad Hatrack's level is?  I apologize in advance if i missed this discussion, there is alot to read through.--[[User:TURBOjew|TURBOjew]] 00:43, 3 March 2008 (CST)
*That's what "cap" means. --[[User:Bagatelle|Bagatelle]] 21:40, 3 March 2008 (CST)
**So then you equip your 42lbs madhatrack with another hat of a level cap of oh, 7lbs.  Then it is set back to 7, and remains 7 when you equip the higher level hat you must start back at 7lbs.  I'm a little dense...--[[User:TURBOjew|TURBOjew]] 23:51, 3 March 2008 (CST)
***The cap only effects BUFFED weight, not base weight.  The hatrack gains familiar experience normally, and does not lose familiar experience no matter what hat you equip on it.  Your 20 pound hatrack is always 20 pounds - although its buffed weight can drop down below 20, it will always have 400 familiar experience when you take the hat off.--[[User:QuantumNightmare|QuantumNightmare]] 00:11, 4 March 2008 (CST)

What exactly is meant by "no weight cap"? [[User:Equestrian|Equestrian]] 17:46, 1 March 2008 (CST)
*Also, does anyone have spading data for the [[wreath of laurels]]?
*The other hats follow the floor(Hat power / 4) weight cap formula. That's the maximum amount of weight they can be: For instance, a hatrack with a power 10 hat can be up to 2 lbs, power 100 hat up to 25 lbs, etc. Hats with power 200 don't follow this formula They can be any weight. I have a 68 lb Hatrack right now with a Brimstone Beret equipped. As for the wreath of laurels, here's what I have so far: <br />
Wreath of Laurels testing <br /> 

Monster: Beanbat <br />
Item drop bonus: +20% <br />
Meat drop bonus: +20% <br />
Expected meat range: 34-48 <br />
Expected bean drops: 60% <br />

Familiar weight: 32 lbs <br />
Meat range: 61-88 <br />
Bean drops: 43/50 <br />
--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 18:01, 1 March 2008 (CST)

Does that mean that they can level up to any weight, as in you can get them up to unlimited weight through combat xp/arena... or you can buff them up to any weight? :/ Seems a bit broken if the first, but a 68lb hatrack is pretty sick.. [[User:Tarantio|Tarantio]] 21:08, 1 March 2008 (CST)
:It means its weight is determined like every other familiar in the game.  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 21:10, 1 March 2008 (CST)
That's all well and good, but how does its weight effect it's effects?  Using the Wreath of Laurels will a 90lb hatrack bring in more meat then a 20lb one?  Anybody have the MATHS on it?--[[User:Klowns|Klowns]] 23:15, 1 March 2008 (CST)

---So if a hat gives it a 7 weight cap (Asshat) does that mean it maxes out at 7lbs or that is the max you can buff it, meaning it's max weight would then be 27?  I am so confused.--[[User:Tacorrenti|TACorrenti]] 05:45, 3 March 2008 (CST)
*To my understanding, the cap is on total, after buffs. --[[User:Bagatelle|Bagatelle]] 21:40, 3 March 2008 (CST)


* I just ascended with a 20 pound base hatrack, but since ascension requires dequipping everything, the hatrack was forced back to its hatless weight.  After ascending, it was back to a 1-pound and couldn't get it's weight back by putting on a high-cap hat :( --[[User:tzielund|tzielund]] 12 March 2008
**Was the last time you ascended before NS13?  Every familiar has its experience (and thus weight) reset upon ascension.  Been that way for months and months now.  You need to pay attention to mechanics.  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 21:05, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
***No, I've ascended in the past year, and the mad hatrack still has it's full kills experience.  It just doesn't have it's weight.  I suspect this may happen during ascension, and if someone could confirm this, it should go on the main page. [[User:tzielund|tzielund]] 09:30, 15 March 2008 (CDT)

****When you ascend with any familiar in NS13, it keeps it's # of kills, but it's familiar experience drops to 0 and it's weight drops to 1.  This happens with every single familiar, and has for the last number of months since NS13 began.  You ascended with a 20 pound base hatrack, which became a 1 pound hatrack.  Putting a high-capped hat on a light hatrack is still a light hatrack.--[[User:QuantumNightmare|QuantumNightmare]] 10:47, 15 March 2008 (CDT)

==Yak Toupee==
Are we sure the yak toupee is a delever, when I use it it seems to stun the NS. --[[User:Chunky boo|Chunky_boo]] 00:34, 2 March 2008 (CST)

Maybe it does more than one thing.  There are quite a few familiars that stun and delevel, it wouldn't be surprising if this did that also. --[[User:Lostcalpolydude|Lostcalpolydude]] 02:07, 2 March 2008 (CST)

==Random Spading==
Draco Cracona (#534701) asked me to post his spading efforts:
Mummy mask and black helmet both seem to be +item, as does the second effect from the mullet wig (that's from the combat messages btw) --[[User:Grimdel|Grimdel]] 19:10, 2 March 2008 (CST)

I'll put everything I do from now on in this section. Here is some data for the Brimstone Beret / Wreath of laurels. Each was taken over 50 turns. There was an intrinsic item drop bonus of +30%, and an intrinsic meat drop bonus of +30%. Monster level modifiers were at 0. Monster used was the beanbat.

===Brimstone Beret===
Weight: 40 lbs. <br />
Base meat range: 28-40 <br /> 
Expected Meat drop bonus: 197%<br />
Expected Meat range (with leprechaun-type and bonuses): 83-119. <br />
Base stat range: 5-6 <br />
Expected substat bonus: 6-7.<br />
Expected stat range (with volleyball-type): 11-13 <br />

'''Observations'''
Meat range: 83-119. <br />
Stat range: 11-13. <br />

'''Raw data''' <br /> <br />
Meat
----
83 x 3 <br />
86 x 1 <br />
89 x 4 <br />
92 x 4 <br />
95 x 4 <br />
98 x 2 <br />
101 x 8 <br />
104 x 3 <br />
107 x 11 <br />
110 x 4 <br />
113 x 2 <br />
116 x 3 <br />
119 x 1 <br />

Stat <br />
----
11 x 33 <br />
12 x 10 <br />
13 x 7 <br />

Actual meat drop bonus: 197%<br />
Actual substat bonus: 6-7.<br />

'''CONCLUSION''': Brimstone Beret works as a full leprechaun/volleyball hybrid.

===Wreath of laurels===
Weight: 40 lbs. <br />
Base meat range: 28-40 <br /> 
Expected Meat drop bonus: 197%<br />
Expected Meat range (with leprechaun-type and bonuses): 83-119. <br />
Base item drop %: 50% <br />
Expected item drop bonus (with fairy-type and bonuses: 113.4%<br />
Expected beans dropped: 50/50 <br />

'''Observations''' <br />
Meat range: 66-92. <br />
Beans dropped: 47/50. <br />

'''Raw data''' <br /> <br />
Meat
----
66 x 1 <br />
69 x 2 <br />
71 x 5 <br />
73 x 2 <br />
76 x 10 <br />
78 x 9 <br />
80 x 5 <br />
82 x 6 <br />
85 x 4 <br />
87 x 3 <br />
89 x 2 <br />
92 x 1 <br />

Actual meat drop bonus: ~130%<br />
Actual item drop bonus: ~94%<br />

'''CONCLUSION''': The wreath of laurels does NOT work as a full leprechaun/fairy hybrid. It works as a leprechaun/fairy at 1/2 weight.

--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 23:30, 2 March 2008 (CST)
:Well, that's suggestive, but for this sort of the thing the accepted standard is 1000 turns.  That's why this is going to be a brutal spade project.  Apparently even moreso, if in fact the hat abilities frequently fail to fully reproduce the effects of the canonically associated familiar.  I was hoping that the vast majority of them would be full familiars, with the balancing factor being the weight limitations.  Wonder how long it took them to put all of this together?  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 23:39, 2 March 2008 (CST)
::No, no it's not.  1000 turns is not the accepted standard for spading meat bonuses.  All that is needed is 13 individual meat drops from the beanbats, exactly as are provided here.  From this, you can figure out the meat bonus to the nearest whole number, or more.  However, 1000 turns is a decent beginning for spading item drops.  For spading stat bonuses, a dozen turns of volleyball behaviour is enough.
::For instance, the wreath data shows a total meat bonus of 130.5%.  The beret data shows a meat bonus of between 197.5 and 199.75%.  Factoring a base 30% passive meat bonus GoldS seems to be running (2 of the 3 passives), 40 lb + beret = 40 pound leprechaun, 40 lb + wreath = 20 pound leprechaun.  His conclusions are surprising....but solid.--[[User:QuantumNightmare|QuantumNightmare]] 11:32, 3 March 2008 (CST)

===Orange peel hat===
Enemies used: Beanbat for stat observations, giant sandworm for attack observations. <br />
Weight: 40 lbs. <br />
Base stat range: 5-6 <br />
Expected substat bonus: 6-7.<br />
Expected stat range (with volleyball-type): 11-13 <br />

'''Observations'''
Attack range: 20-40. <br />
Acting rate: 96/200 rounds. <br />
Stat range: 11-13. <br />

'''Raw data''' <br /> <br />

Stat <br />
----
11 x 16 <br />
12 x 7 <br />
13 x 2 <br />

Actual substat bonus: 6-7.<br />

(I forgot to write down the raw data for the attacks, sorry)

'''CONCLUSION''': The orange peel hat works as a full volleyball. The attack range is (weight / 2) to weight. Familiar acts approximately 50% of the time. It may or may not act at a lower or higher rate depending on how much it weighs. More data may be needed for this.--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 11:52, 3 March 2008 (CST)

===Jewel-eyed wizard hat===
Before you even ask, no, I did not have any +monster level effects or equipment present, and when I fought the beanbats without the hatrack, I got the normal 5-6 substat gain. And it's not a stat day.<br />

Base meat: 28-40 <br />
Expected meat drop bonus: 48% <br />
Expected meat range: 42-60 <br />
Expected stat range: 5-6 <br />

'''Observations''' <br />
Damage range: 3-99 <br />
Meat range: 55-76 <br />

'''Raw data''' <br />

Meat <br />
----
55 x 3 <br />
57 x 1 <br />
59 x 2 <br />
61 x 4 <br />
62 x 9 <br />
64 x 6 <br />
66 x 7 <br />
68 x 6 <br />
70 x 7 <br />
72 x 2 <br />
74 x 2 <br />
76 x 1 <br />

Stat <br />
----
8 x 28 <br />
9 x 19 <br />
10 x 3 <br />

Actual substat gain: 3-4. <br />
Actual meat bonus: ~90% <br />
Isolated meat bonus: ~60%

'''CONCLUSION''': As surprising as this may sound, the jewel-eyed wizard has ''three'' effects. The first is the most obvious -- the damage. We can guess that this does between 1-100 damage. The meat and stat bonuses, however, are more odd. From the data collected, the meat bonus from the jewel-eyed wizard hat is 60%. Looking at the leprechaun formula, this would be about a 10 lb leprechaun. 10 lbs also fits well for the substat gain - sqrt(10) is roughly 3.16 substat points. It also accounts for the rarity of the times when there were 10 substat points. So, this acts as a 10 lb leprechaun/volleyball, and as an attack familiar. Phew. --[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 20:06, 3 March 2008 (CST)
:Huh. Odd.  Things continue to get ridiculous, but I guess maybe it's to be expected from an IotM that only has 10 power.  Could you run some combats against bunnies or something to make sure it isn't just a fixed meat gain amount, like the [[ant hoe]] and it's kin?  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 20:12, 3 March 2008 (CST)
:Just fought a sandworm and got 507 with the Hatrack and 357 without. 507 is way out of the range of +30% with the meat range the wiki has, 357 isn't. It's a percentage increase.--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 20:14, 3 March 2008 (CST)

===Time helmet===
I'm still a bit new to spading item drop percentages, so I'll just list my findings and give full permission to anyone that knows what they're doing to edit this so it's nice and pretty.

I've got a passive 30% to item drops, plus Packrat which I can't find any hard data on and may make all of my efforts here for naught. Anyway, I've run 314 advs against beanbats so far, wearing nothing but a disco ball and my 25lb Time Helmet. I have 299 enchanted beans, and gained +10 advs. --[[User:FFiXMaster|FFiXMaster]] 16:13, 4 March 2008 (CST)
:Another 305 turns run today, another 288 beans and +5 advs. --[[User:FFiXMaster|FFiXMaster]] 12:38, 5 March 2008 (CST)
::Another 292 turns tun today, another 278 beans and +7 advs.  Totals so far are 911 adventures spent, 865 beans dropped, and 22 adventures from the helmet. --[[User:FFiXMaster|FFiXMaster]] 17:28, 6 March 2008 (CST)
:When exactly are the extra adventures given?  At the end of combat, or during the course of combat?  If the latter, the adventure gains are meaningless without knowing how many rounds this was over (presumably the same as the number of adventures, given it's beanbats, but you might be messing around with spices for the fun of it, or sometimes fumbling).  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 20:20, 6 March 2008 (CST)
::They've been given at the end of combat every time I've noted it, 'else I would've been giving round counts, as well. :) --[[User:FFiXMaster|FFiXMaster]] 15:50, 7 March 2008 (CST)
*It looks like you have a total of +95% item drops.  Can you run +4% or +5% item drops for a few days?  That would help confirm what the exact bonus is.--[[User:QuantumNightmare|QuantumNightmare]] 18:51, 6 March 2008 (CST)
**I can run it with my duct tape sword instead of the disco ball for the next few days, sure. --[[User:FFiXMaster|FFiXMaster]] 15:50, 7 March 2008 (CST)

Okay, 317 advs run with a duct tape sword and a plexi pendant for the asked +5% item drops and the complete impossibility for combats to go more than one round. I ended up with 309 beans and +4 advs. --[[User:FFiXMaster|FFiXMaster]] 16:28, 7 March 2008 (CST)
:Day 2 of above equips. 307 advs, 300 beans, +6 advs. --[[User:FFiXMaster|FFiXMaster]] 16:02, 8 March 2008 (CST)
::Day 3 of above equips. 310 advs, 306 beans, +6 advs.  
::Totals so far: 934 advs, 915 beans, 16 advs.  Would my time be better spent continuing with the Time helmet or moving onto the indie/3D glasses? --[[User:FFiXMaster|FFiXMaster]] 12:04, 9 March 2008 (CDT)

Is it premature to say 1/50 chance of adventure?--[[User:Rentsy|Rentsy]] 21:38, 25 April 2008 (CDT)
:Pretty much.  The issue here is the need for a high degree of accuracy when looking at such a small percentage.  With the current data here on the talk page, a figure of 2% has an error margin of about .7% in either direction (for 90% confidence), which is rather substantial.  Getting that down to just a margin of .3% with a similar confidence level requires nearly 6000 data points.  Which would really best be obtained with multiple spaders; that's around a month's worth of turns for a single person.  So on a practical level, maybe that's as good as we're going to get until some dedicated spaders take up the charge, but it's not really good enough to make the claim.  One would like to think Jick and Co. went for the "nice" value of 1/50, but there's plenty of evidence on the wiki to suggest that them picking the nice values is fairly rare.  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 00:56, 26 April 2008 (CDT)

Today, at max weight (25 lbs), I got +1 adventure after 2 adventures, after 43 adventures, and after 95 adventures.  Overall I got a free adventure 3 out of 393 adventures. I will keep adding data as I get it. --[[User:Kow|Kow]] 13:45, 2 August 2008 (CDT)

===Outrageous Sombrero===
(Items)<br>
Weight: 25 lbs. <br>
Additional Item Drops +55%<br>
Items Spading: Heavy D (39.3%), Original G (41.3%)<br>
Modified Item Drops (w/the additional): Heavy D (60.9%), Original G (64%)<br>
'''Observations'''
Heavy D: 86.3%. <br>
Original G: 77.2%. <br>

'''Raw data''' <br> <br>
1 is item dropped, 0 it did not<br>
Heavy D:    10110111111011111110111111111111111101111110<br>
Original G: 11111111011111011110110000111110111111110011<br>
+19.8%<br>
+0.768%/lbs.
1/3rd of a fairy
Only 44 data points, need more to be conclusive.<br>
--[[User:Eniteris|Eniteris]] 18:11, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

===Damage and attack frequency data===
The following is data for all of the hats with attacking functionality (or at least all of them that were listed in the table when I did this.)--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 00:24, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

'''RANGES'''<br />
----

'''Asbestos helmet turtle'''<br />
Weight: 20<br />
Range: 20-30<br />
Acted rounds: 118/250<br />
Acting rate: 47.2%<br />

Weight: 10<br />
Range: 10-15<br />

'''Asshat'''<br />
Weight: 7<br />
Range: 21-42<br />
Acted rounds: 170/250<br />
Acting rate: 68.0%<br />

weight: 3<br />
Range: 9-18<br />

'''Balaclava'''<br />
Weight: 12<br />
Range: 10-15 (6-12) (16-27 total)<br />
Acted rounds: 140/250<br />
Acting rate: 56.0%<br />

Weight: 6<br />
Range: 10-15 (3-6) (13-21 total)<br />

'''Barskin hat'''<br />
Weight: 13<br />
Range: 14-26<br />
Acted rounds: 122/250<br />
Acting rate: 48.8%<br />

Weight: 6<br />
Range: 6-12<br />

'''Basic meat helmet'''<br />
Weight: 10<br />
Range: 5-10<br />
Acted rounds: 123/250 <br />
Acting rate: 49.2% <br />

Weight: 5<br />
Range: 2-5<br />

'''Bat hat'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 13-25<br />
Acted rounds: 113/250<br />
Acting rate: 45.2%<br />

Weight: 45<br />
Range: 24-44<br />

'''Biomechanical crimborg helmet'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 13-25<br />
Acted rounds: 118/250<br />
Acting rate: 47.2%<br />

Weight: 37<br />
Range: 20-37<br />

'''Bugbear beanie'''<br />
Weight: 7<br />
Range: 7-14<br />
Acted rounds: 117/250<br />
Acting rate: 46.8%<br />

Weight: 3<br />
Range: 3-6<br />

'''Bum cheek'''
Weight: 5<br />
Range: 7-15<br />
Acted rounds: 172/250<br />
Acting rate: 68.8%<br />

Weight: 2<br />
Range: 3-6<br />

'''Chef's hat'''<br />
Weight: 7<br />
Range: 35-42<br />
Acted rounds: 60/250<br />
Acting rate: 24.0%<br />

Weight: 3<br />
Range: 15-18<br />

'''Chrome helmet turtle'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 13-23<br />
Acted rounds: 126/250<br />
Acting rate: 50.4%<br />

Weight: 30<br />
Range: 15-30<br />

'''Clockwork hat'''<br />
Weight: 20<br />
Range: 40-60<br />
Acted rounds: 119/250<br />
Acting rate: 47.6%<br />

Weight: 10<br />
Range: 20-30<br />

'''Clown wig'''<br />
Weight: 12<br />
Range: 6-12 (2-3) (2-3) (2-3) (2-3) (2-3) (OR 10-15 total)<br />
Acted rounds: 137/250<br />
Acting rate: 54.8%<br />

Weight: 6<br />
Range: 3-6 (2-3) (2-3) (2-3) (2-3) (2-3) (OR 10-15 total)<br />

'''Cold ninja mask'''<br />
Weight: 20<br />
Range: 16-24<br />
Acted rounds: 168/250<br />
Acting rate: 67.2%<br />

Weight: 10<br />
Range: 8-12<br />

'''Cursed Eyepatch'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 26-50<br />
Acted rounds: 128/250<br />
Acting rate: 51.2%<br />

Weight: 50<br />
Range: 54-100<br />

'''Demon-horned hat'''<br />
Weight: 17<br />
Range: 15-18<br />
Acted rounds: 247/250<br />
Acting rate: 98.8%<br />

Weight: 8<br />
Range: 7-8<br />

'''Disco mask'''<br />
Weight: 2<br />
Range: 1-2<br />
Acted rounds: 110/250<br />
Acting rate: 44%<br />

Weight: 1<br />
Range: 1<br />

'''Dolphin king's crown'''<br />
Weight: 8<br />
Range: 17-24<br />
Acted rounds: 168/250<br />
Acting rate: 67.2%<br />

Weight: 4<br />
Range: 8-12<br />

'''Draggin' ball hat'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 14-25<br />
Acted rounds: 125/250<br />
Acting rate: 50%<br />

Weight: 12<br />
Range: 6-12<br />

'''Enchantlers'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 12-25<br />
Acted rounds: 124/250<br />
Acting rate: 49.6%<br />

Weight: 12<br />
Range: 6-12<br />

'''EXtreme scarf'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 12-25<br />
Acted rounds: 124/250<br />
Acting rate: 49.6%<br />

Weight: 12<br />
Range: 6-12<br />

'''F3d0r4'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 16-25<br />
Acted rounds: 123/250<br />
Acting rate: 49.2%<br />

Weight: 27<br />
Range: 13-26<br />

'''Fire'''<br />
Weight: 2<br />
Range: 19-35<br />
Acted rounds: 111/250<br />
Acting rate: 44.4%<br />

Weight: 1<br />
Range: 17-25<br />

'''Football helmet'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 12-25<br />
Acted rounds: 120/250<br />
Acting rate: 48%<br />

Weight: 37<br />
Range: 20-36<br />

'''Giant discarded bottlecap'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 13-24<br />
Acted rounds: 135/250<br />
Acting rate: 54%<br />

Weight: 38<br />
Range: 20-38<br />

'''Goat beard'''<br />
Weight: 15<br />
Range: 22-30<br />
Acted rounds: 113/250<br />
Acting rate: 45.2%<br />

Weight: 7<br />
Range: 10-14<br />

'''Goofily-plumed hat'''<br />
Weight: 17<br />
Range: 8-17<br />
Acted rounds: 131/250<br />
Acting rate: 52.4%<br />

Weight: 8<br />
Range: 4-8<br />

'''Helmet turtle'''<br />
Weight: 2<br />
Range: 1-2<br />
Acted rounds: 121/250<br />
Acting rate: 48.4%<br />

Weight: 1<br />
Range: 1<br />

'''Hodgman's porkpie hat'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 75-100<br />
Acted rounds: 198/200<br />
Acting rate: 99.0%<br />

'''Jewel-eyed wizard hat'''<br />
Weight: 2<br />
Range: 3-99<br />
Acted rounds: 71/250<br />
Acting rate: 28.4%<br />

Weight: 1<br />
Range: 2-98<br />

'''Kentuck-style derby'''<br />
Weight: 5<br />
Range: 2-5<br />
Acted rounds: 110/250 <br />
Acting rate: 44.0%<br />

Weight: 2<br />
Range: 1-2<br />

'''Knobby helmet turtle'''<br />
Weight: 5<br />
Range: 10-12<br />
Acted rounds: 191/250<br />
Acting rate: 76.4%<br />

Weight: 2<br />
Range: 4-5<br />

'''Leather mask'''<br />
Weight: 15<br />
Range: 16-29<br />
Acted rounds: 175/250<br />
Acting rate: 70.0%<br />

Weight: 7<br />
Range: 7-14<br />

'''Lihc Face'''<br />
Weight: 22<br />
Range: 46-63<br />
Acted rounds: 118/250<br />
Acting rate: 47.2%<br />

Weight: 11<br />
Range: 23-32<br />

'''Linoleum helmet turtle'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 12-25 <br />
Acted rounds: 133/250<br />
Acting rate: 53.2%<br />

Weight: 12<br />
Range: 6-12<br />

'''Meaty helmet turtle'''<br />
Weight: 17<br />
Range: 17-25<br />
Acted rounds: 136/250<br />
Acting rate: 54.4%<br />

Weight: 8<br />
Range: 8-12<br />

'''Mesh cap'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 12-22<br />
Acted rounds: 121/250<br />
Acting rate: 48.4%<br />

Weight: 40<br />
Range: 20-40<br />

'''Metallic foil cat ears'''<br />
Weight: 7<br />
Range: 7-14<br />
Acted rounds: 249/250<br />
Acting rate: 99.6%<br />

Weight: 3<br />
Range: 3-6<br />

'''Nasty rat mask'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 12-25<br />
Acted rounds: 126/250<br />
Acting rate: 50.4%<br />

Weight: 12<br />
Range: 6-12<br />

'''Ol' Scratch's stovepipe hat'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 75-100<br />
Acted rounds: 198/200
Acting rate: 99.0%

'''Opera mask'''<br />
Weight: 2<br />
Range: 14-30<br />
Acted rounds: 162/250<br />
Acting rate: 64.8%<br />

Weight: 1<br />
Range: 12-20<br />

'''Orange peel hat'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 12-25<br />
Acted rounds: 116/250<br />
Acting rate: 46.4%<br />

Weight: 40<br />
Range: 20-40<br />

'''Oriole-feather headdress'''<br />
Weight: 3<br />
Range: 9-12<br />
Acted rounds: 129/250<br />
Acting rate: 51.6%<br />

Weight: 1<br />
Range: 3-4<br />

'''Pentacorn hat'''<br />
Weight: 10<br />
Range: 6-10<br />
Acted rounds: 125/250<br />
Acting rate: 50.0%<br />

Weight: 5<br />
Range: 2-5<br />

'''Pimpin' meat hat'''<br />
Weight: 13<br />
Range: 13-39<br />
Acted rounds: 186/250<br />
Acting rate: 74.4%<br />

Weight: 6<br />
Range: 7-18<br />

'''Pixel hat'''<br />
Weight: 12<br />
Range: 24-36<br />
Acted rounds: 155/250<br />
Acting rate: 62.0%<br />

Weight: 6<br />
Range: 12-18<br />

'''Ravioli hat'''<br />
Weight: 2<br />
Range: 1-2<br />
Acted rounds: 123/250<br />
Acting rate: 49.2%<br />

Weight: 1<br />
Range: 1<br />

'''Seal-skull helmet'''<br />
Weight: 2<br />
Range: 1-2<br />
Acted rounds: 126/250<br />
Acting rate: 50.4%<br />

Weight: 1<br />
Range: 1<br />

'''Skeletortoise'''<br />
Weight: 7<br />
Range: 24-31<br />
Acted rounds: 125/250<br />
Acting rate: 50.0%<br />

Weight: 3<br />
Range: 16-19<br />

'''Snorkel<br />
Weight: 2<br />
Range: 1-2<br />
Acted rounds: 126/250<br />
Acting rate: 50.4%<br />

Weight: 1<br />
Range: 1<br />

'''Snow queen crown'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 26-49<br />
Acted rounds: 154/250<br />
Acting rate: 61.6%<br />

Weight: 28<br />
Range: 32-55<br />

'''Spiky turtle helmet'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 12-25<br />
Acted rounds: 297/300<br />
Acting rate: 99.0%<br />

'''Sponge helmet'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 25-50<br />
Acted rounds: 122/250<br />
Acting rate: 48.8%<br />

Weight: 30<br />
Range: 30-60<br />

Weight: 35<br />
Range: 35-70<br />

'''Viking helmet'''<br />
Weight: 5<br />
Range: 5-10<br />
Acted rounds: 246/250<br />
Acting rate: 98.4%<br />

Weight: 2<br />
Range: 2-4<br />

'''Wooden salad bowl'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 12-24<br />
Acted rounds: 119/250<br />
Acting rate: 47.6%<br />

Weight: 30<br />
Range: 17-29<br />

'''Yak toupee'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 13-25<br />
Acted rounds: 114/250<br />
Acting rate: 45.6%<br />

Weight: 12<br />
Range: 6-12<br />

'''Yellow plastic hard hat'''<br />
Weight: 22<br />
Range: 13-22<br />
Acted rounds: 115/250<br />
Acting rate: 46.0%<br />

Weight: 11<br />
Range: 5-11<br />

'''DAMAGE FORMULAS''' <br />

Hats in bold have been checked at more than one weight, and are thus more securely put into the table.

'''floor(Weight/2) - Weight'''
----
'''Balaclava (Cold damage)'''<br />
'''Basic meat helmet'''<br />
'''Bat hat'''<br />
'''Biomechanical crimborg helmet'''<br />
'''Chrome helmet turtle'''<br />
'''Clown wig (physical)'''<br />
'''Disco mask'''<br />
'''Draggin' ball hat'''<br />
'''Enchantlers'''<br />
'''EXtreme scarf'''<br />
'''F3d0r4'''<br />
'''Football helmet'''<br />
'''Giant discarded bottlecap'''<br />
'''Goofily-plumed hat'''<br />
'''Kentuck-style derby'''<br />
'''Linoleum helmet turtle'''<br />
'''Mesh cap'''<br />
'''Nasty rat mask'''<br />
'''Orange peel hat'''<br />
'''Ravioli hat'''<br />
'''Seal-skull helmet'''<br />
'''Snorkel'''<br />
'''Spiky turtle helmet'''<br />
'''Wooden salad bowl'''<br />
'''Yak toupee'''<br />
'''Yellow plastic hard hat'''<br />

'''Weight x 0.8 - Weight x 1.2'''
----
'''Cold ninja mask'''<br />

'''Weight x 0.9 - Weight x 1.1'''
----
'''Demon-horned hat'''<br />

'''Weight - Weight x 1.5'''
----
'''Asbestos helmet turtle'''<br />
'''Meaty helmet turtle'''<br />

'''Weight - Weight x 2'''
----
'''Barskin hat'''<br />
'''Bugbear beanie'''<br />
'''Cursed eyepatch'''<br />
'''Leather mask'''<br />
'''Metallic foil cat ears'''<br />
'''Snow queen crown'''<br />
'''Sponge helmet'''<br />
'''Viking helmet'''<br />

'''Weight x 1.5 - Weight x 2'''
----
'''Goat beard'''<br />

'''Weight - Weight x 3'''
----
'''Pimpin' meat hat'''<br />

'''Weight x 1.5 - Weight x 3'''
----
'''Bum cheek'''<br />

'''Weight x 2 - Weight x 2.5'''
----
'''Knobby helmet turtle'''

'''Weight x 2 - Weight x 3'''
----
'''Clockwork hat'''<br />
'''Dolphin king's crown'''<br />
'''Lihc face'''<br />
'''Pixel hat'''<br />

'''Weight x 3 - weight x 4'''
----
'''Asshat'''<br />
'''Oriole-feather headdress'''<br />

'''Weight x 5 - weight x 6'''
----
'''Chef's hat'''<br />

'''(Weight x 2 + 10) - (Weight x 3 + 10)'''
----
'''Skeletortoise'''<br />

'''(Weight x 2 + 10) - (weight x 10) + 10)'''
----
'''Opera mask'''<br />

'''(Weight x 2 + 15) - (weight x 10) + 15)'''
----
'''Fire'''<br />

'''Unknown/Custom range'''
----
'''Balaclava (physical)''' (10-15 damage)
'''Clown wig (chromatic)''' (2-3 damage for each element)<br />
'''Jewel-eyed Wizard Hat''' (1-100, random)<br />

'''ACTING RATES''' <br />

Hats have been checked over a period of 250 combat rounds.

'''25%'''
----
Chef's hat<br />
Jewel-eyed wizard hat<br />

'''50%'''
----
Asbestos helmet turtle<br />
Balaclava<br />
Barskin hat<br />
Basic meat helmet<br />
Bat hat<br />
Biomechanical crimborg helmet<br />
Bugbear beanie<br />
Chrome helmet turtle
Clockwork hat<br />
Clown wig<br />
Cursed eyepatch<br />
Disco mask<br />
Draggin' ball hat<br />
Enchantlers<br />
EXtreme scarf<br />
F3dor4<br />
Football helmet<br />
Giant discarded bottlecap<br />
Goat beard<br />
Goofily-plumed hat<br />
Helmet turtle<br />
Kentucky-style derby<br />
Lihc face<br />
Linoleum helmet turtle<br />
Meaty helmet turtle<br />
Mesh cap<br />
Nasty rat mask<br />
Orange peel hat<br />
Oriole-feather headdress<br />
Pentacorn hat<br />
Ravioli hat<br />
Seal-skill helmet<br />
Skeletortoise<br />
Snorkel<br />
Sponge helmet<br />
Wooden salad bowl<br />
Yak toupee<br />
Yellow plastic hard hat<br />

'''66%'''
----
Asshat<br />
Bum cheek<br />
Cold ninja mask<br />
Dolphin king's crown<br />
Leather mask<br />
Opera mask<br />
Pixel hat<br />
Snow queen crown<br />

'''75%'''
----
Knobby helmet turtle<br />
Pimpin' meat hat<br />

'''99%'''
----
Demon-horned hat<br />
Metallic foil cat ears<br />
Spiky turtle helmet<br />
Viking helmet<br />


A question: did you take the activation rate data down as well?  By which I mean the chance the hat(rack) will attack in a round.  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 03:21, 3 April 2008 (CDT)
*Not at all, no. Sorry. This is something else that needs to be spaded...--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 16:32, 3 April 2008 (CDT)
*And done. Needs more data though.--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 12:07, 15 April 2008 (CDT)
**And now it has more data. My hands hurt.--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 20:54, 22 April 2008 (CDT)
***GoldS, you rock. Hard. --[[User:Nossidge|Nossidge]] 07:39, 23 April 2008 (CDT)

===Volleyball-type Data===
It's me again. Here's data for most, but not all, of the hats that add volleyball functionality to the Hatrack. I ran out of adventures before I could test the ones that weren't listed on the table. If you want to add to this list, please, please make sure it isn't a stat day, you aren't in a zodiac sign that gives +substat, and you have no monster level modifiers on. Again, these are preliminary results for hats at one weight per hat, don't take it as law until more data comes in. Especially the stuff that isn't following the volleyball formula. --[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 03:41, 5 March 2008 (CST)

FOR ALL

Beanbats<br />
Base substat gain: 5-6<br />

'''DATA'''
----

'''Asshat'''<br />
Weight: 7<br />
Range: 7-9<br />
Bonus: 2-3<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

'''Barskin hat'''<br />
Weight: 13<br />
Range: 9-11<br />
Bonus: 4-5<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

'''Bat hat'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 10-11<br />
Bonus: 5<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

'''Bowler'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 11-13<br />
Bonus: 6-7<br />
Full Bonus: No (1.5x Volleyball?)<br />

'''Brimstone Beret'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 10-11<br />
Bonus: 5<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

'''Bum cheek'''<br />
Weight: 5<br />
Range: 7-9<br />
Bonus: 2-3<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

'''Catskin cap'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 10-11<br />
Bonus: 5<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

'''Clingfilm cap'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 10-11<br />
Bonus: 5<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

'''Clockwork hat'''<br />
Weight: 20<br />
Range: 9-11<br />
Bonus: 4-5<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

'''Crimbo hat'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 11-13<br />
Bonus: 6-7<br />
Full Bonus: No (1.5x Volleyball?)<br />

'''Crumpled felt fedora'''<br />
Weight: 40<br />
Range: 10-12<br />
Bonus: 5-6<br />
Full Bonus: No (0.75x Volleyball)<br />

'''Draggin' ball hat'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 10-11<br />
Bonus: 5<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

'''Extra-large palm-frond toupee'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 10-11<br />
Bonus: 5<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

'''Filthy knitted dread sack'''<br />
Weight: 15<br />
Range: 8-10<br />
Bonus: 3-4<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

'''Fire'''<br />
Weight: 2<br />
Range: 6-8<br />
Bonus: 1-2<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

'''Foolscap fool's cap'''<br />
Weight: 10<br />
Range: 10-12<br />
Bonus: 5-6<br />
Full Bonus: No (x3 Volleyball?) <br />

'''Grass hat'''<br />
Weight: 20<br />
Range: 11-13<br />
Bonus: 6-7<br />
Full Bonus: No (x2 Volleyball?)<br />

'''Grungy bandana'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 10-11<br />
Bonus: 5<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

'''Hodgman's porkpie hat'''<br />
(This data was taken on a moxie day, but the moxie substat gains were "corrected" for the 1.25 bonus they got.)<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 8-10<br />
Bonus: 3-4<br />
Full Bonus: No (1/2 Volleyball)<br />

'''Jewel-eyed wizard hat'''<br />
Weight: 2<br />
Range: 8-10<br />
Bonus: 3-4<br />
Full Bonus: No, 10 lb Volleyball.<br />

'''Knob Goblin visor'''<br />
Weight: 12<br />
Range: 9-11<br />
Bonus: 4-5<br />
Full Bonus: No (x2 Volleyball?)<br />

'''Mesh cap'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 10-11<br />
Bonus: 5<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

'''Orange peel hat'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 10-11<br />
Bonus: 5<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

'''Orcish baseball cap'''<br />
Weight: 15<br />
Range: 8-10<br />
Bonus: 3-4<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

'''Oriole-feather headdress'''<br />
Weight: 3<br />
Range: 8-9<br />
Bonus: 3<br />
Full Bonus: No (x3 Volleyball?)<br />

'''Pimpin' meat hat'''<br />
Weight: 13<br />
Range: 8-10<br />
Bonus: 3-4<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

'''Pixel hat'''<br />
Weight: 12<br />
Range: 9-11<br />
Bonus: 4-5<br />
Full Bonus: No (x2 Volleyball?)<br />

'''Plexiglass pith helmet'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 10-11<br />
Bonus: 5<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

'''Red traffic cone'''<br />
Weight: 15<br />
Range: 10-12<br />
Bonus: 5-6<br />
Full Bonus: No (x2 Volleyball?) <br />

'''Safarrri hat'''<br />
Weight: 22<br />
Range: 11-13<br />
Bonus: 6-7<br />
Full Bonus: No (X2 volleyball?)<br />

'''Star hat'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 8-10<br />
Bonus: 3-4<br />
Full Bonus: No (1/2 volleyball?)<br />

'''Stone baseball cap'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 10-11<br />
Bonus: 5<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

'''Water-polo cap'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 10-11<br />
Bonus: 5<br />
Full Bonus: Yes.<br />

Crimbo Hat:
15 pounds, 5-6 bonus stats
20 pounds, 5-6 bonus stats
25 pounds, 6-7 bonus stats
Bonus is between 1.67*volleyball and 1.8*volleyball.  I'm calling it 1.75.

Grim Googles:
16 pounds: 4 bonus stats
21 pounds: 4-5 bonus stats

'''FORMULAS'''

'''1/2 Volleyball'''
----
Star hat<br />

'''Volleyball'''
----
Asshat<br />
Barskin hat<br />
Bat hat<br />
Brimstone Beret<br />
Bum cheek<br />
Catskin cap<br />
Clingfilm cap<br />
Clockwork hat<br />
Draggin' ball hat<br />
Extra-large palm frond toupee<br />
Filthy knitted dread sack<br />
Fire<br />
Grungy bandanna<br />
Mesh cap<br />
Orange peel hat<br />
Orcish baseball cap<br />
Pimpin' meat hat<br />
Plexiglass pith helmet<br />
Stone baseball cap<br />
Water-polo cap<br />

'''Volleyball x 1.5'''
----
Bowler<br />
Crimbo hat<br />

'''Volleyball x 2'''
----
Grass hat<br />
Knob goblin visor<br />
Pixel hat<br />
Red traffic cone<br />
Safarrri hat<br />

'''Volleyball x 3'''
----
Foolscap fool's cap<br />
Oriole-feather headdress<br />

'''Volleyball x 5'''
----
Jewel-eyed wizard hat

I'll go ahead and add this data to the table.--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 01:11, 15 March 2008 (CDT)

===Whelp-type Data===
Data definitely needs to be checked at lower weights, especially the epic hats.--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 19:24, 30 April 2008 (CDT)

'''DATA'''
----

'''Ancient Saucehelm'''<br />
Weight: 12<br />
Range: 34-51<br />
Acting Rate: 54/100 <br />

Formula: (wt+5)*(2-3)<br />

'''Baron von Ratsworth's tophat'''<br />
Weight: 18 <br />
Range: 34-69<br />
Acting Rate: 53/100 <br />

Formula: (wt+5)*(1.5-3)<br />

'''Big bad voodoo mask'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 16-30<br />
Acting Rate: 54/100 <br />

Weight: 30<br />
Range: 18-35<br />

Weight: 35<br />
Range: 20-39<br />

Formula: (wt+5)*(.5-1) <br />

'''Colander of Em-er'il'''<br />
Weight: 12<br />
Range: 34-49<br />
Acting Rate: 56/100 <br />

Formula: (wt+5)*(2-3) <br />

'''Crown of the Goblin King'''<br />
Weight: 17<br />
Range: 11-22<br />
Acting Rate: 49/100 <br />

Formula: (wt+5)*(.5-1)<br />

'''Disco 'Fro Pick'''<br />
Weight: 12<br />
Range: 37-51<br />
Acting Rate: 44/100 <br />

Formula: (wt+5)*(2-3) <br />

'''Dolphin King's crown'''<br />
Weight: 8<br />
Range: 13-25<br />
Acting Rate: 48/100 <br />

Formula: (wt+5)*(1-2)<br />

'''Elder Turtle Shell'''<br />
Weight: 12<br />
Range: 34-50<br />
Acting Rate: 50/100 <br />

Formula: (wt+5)*(2-3)<br />

'''Longhaired hippy wig'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 16-30<br />
Acting Rate: 49/100 <br />

Weight: 30<br />
Range: 17-35<br />

Weight: 35<br />
Range: 21-38<br />

Formula: (wt+5)*(.5-1)<br />

'''Mohawk wig'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 15-30<br />
Acting Rate: 49/100 <br />

Weight: 30<br />
Range: 17-35<br />

Weight: 35<br />
Range: 20-39<br />

Formula: (wt+5)*(.5-1)<br />

'''Mullet wig'''<br />
Weight: 10<br />
Range: 15-30<br />
Acting Rate: 50/100 <br />

Formula: (wt+5)*(1-2) <br />

'''Snow queen crown'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 15-30<br />
Acting Rate: 52/100 <br />

Weight: 28<br />
Range: 17-33<br />

Formula: (wt+5)*(.5-1)<br />

'''Spooky hockey mask'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 30-45<br />
Acting Rate: 47/100 <br />

Formula: (wt+5)*(1-1.5)<br />

'''Wolf mask'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Range: 16-30<br />
Acting Rate: 44/100 <br />

Weight: 30<br />
Range: 19-35<br />

Formula: (wt+5)*(.5-1)(HP only)<br />

===Potato-type Data===
--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 22:39, 22 March 2008 (CDT)

'''Antique Helmet'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Expected block %: 37.5%<br />

Block rate: 35/200<br />
Block %: 17.5%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 0.5x<br />

'''Baron von Ratsworth's tophat'''<br />
Weight: 18<br />
Expected block %: 27%<br />

Block rate: 46/200<br />
Block %: 23%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Bubblewrap bottlecap turtleban'''<br />
Weight: 17<br />
Exepected block %: 25.5%<br />

Block rate: 50/200<br />
Block %: 25%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Cornuthaum'''<br />
Weight: 21<br />
Expected block %: 31.5%<br />

Block rate: 83/200<br />
Block %: 41.5%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 1.5x?<br />

'''El Vibrato helmet'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Expected block %: 37.5%<br />

Block rate: 35/200<br />
Block %: 17.5%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 0.5x<br />

'''Extra-large palm-frond toupee'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Expected block %: 37.5%<br />

Block rate: 65/200<br />
Block %: 32.5%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Filthy knitted dread sack'''<br />
Weight: 15<br />
Expected block %: 22.5%<br />

Block rate: 49/200<br />
Block %: 24.5%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Furry green turtle'''<br />
Weight: 11<br />
Expected block %: 16.5%<br />

Block rate: 69/200<br />
Block %: 34.5%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 2.0x <br />

'''Goat beard'''<br />
Weight: 15<br />
Expected block %: 22.5%<br />

Block rate: 34/200<br />
Block %: 18.5%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Grungy bandana'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Expected block %: 37.5%<br />

Block rate: 31/200<br />
Block %: 15.5%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 0.5x <br />

'''Irate sombrero'''<br />
Weight: 11<br />
Expected block %: 16.5%<br />

Block rate: 35/200<br />
Block %: 17.5%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Knob Goblin visor'''<br />
Weight: 12<br />
Expected block %: 18%<br />

Block rate: 32/200<br />
Block %: 16%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 1.0x <br />

'''Longhaired hippy wig'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Expected block %: 37.5%<br />

Block rate: 69/200<br />
Block %: 34.5%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Maiden wig'''<br />
Weight: 8<br />
Expected block %: 12%<br />

Block rate: 134/500<br />
Block %: 26.8%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 2.0x<br />

'''Mohawk wig'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Expected block %: 37.5%<br />

Block rate: 77/200<br />
Block %: 38.5%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 1.0x <br />

'''Mullet wig'''<br />
Weight: 10<br />
Expected block %: 15%<br />

Block rate: 89/200<br />
Block %: 44.5%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 3.0x <br />

'''Raspberry beret'''<br />
Weight: 12<br />
Expected block %: 18%<br />

Block rate: 182/500<br />
Block %: 36.4%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 2.0x<br />

'''Star hat'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Expected block %: 37.5% <br />

Block rate: 35/200<br />
Block %: 17.5%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 0.5x <br />

'''Time helmet'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Expected block %: 37.5%<br />

Block rate: 46/150<br />
Block %: 23%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 0.5x <br />

'''Toy space helmet'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Expected block %: 37.5% <br />

Block rate: 41/200<br />
Block %: 20.5%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 0.5x<br />

'''Yak toupee'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Expected block %: 37.5%<br />

Block rate: 68/200<br />
Block %: 34%<br />
Potato Multiplier: 1.0x <br />

'''FORMULAS'''

'''0.5x Potato'''
----
Antique Helmet<br />
El Vibrato helmet<br />
Grungy bandana<br />
Star hat<br />
Time helmet<br />
Toy space helmet<br />

'''1.0x Potato'''
----
Baron von Ratsworth's tophat<br />
Bubblewrap bottlecap turtleban<br />
Extra-large palm-frond toupee<br />
Filthy knitted dread sack<br />
Goat beard<br />
Irate sombrero<br />
Knob Goblin visor<br />
Longhaired hippy wig<br />
Mohawk wig<br />
Yak toupee<br />

'''1.5x Potato'''<br />
----
Cornuthaum<br />

'''2.0x Potato'''
----
Furry green turtle<br />
Raspberry beret<br />

'''3.0x Potato'''
----
Mullet wig<br />

===KoL Con 3-D Glasses===
I've run 1,200 adventures at the beanbats with a 2lb hatrack with the 3D glasses, and have received 1,018 enchanted beans. I've got a passive +30% to item drops, '''plus Packrat'''. (bolding it to make sure it's not overlooked in case it skews my data) I was wearing nothing but a disco ball when running these adventures, and Empathy/Leash/Ode were my only active effects, before anyone asks. --[[User:FFiXMaster|FFiXMaster]] 04:30, 14 March 2008 (CDT)

===indie comic hipster glasses===
I've run 100 advs twice at the beanbats with a 2lb pair of indie comic hipster glasses. First 100 advs got me a 53/47 split of 11/10 stats, and the second 100 I ran at +3ML and got me a 77/23 split of 11/12. --[[User:FFiXMaster|FFiXMaster]] 15:43, 15 March 2008 (CDT)

===Grimacite gasmask===
I spaded on my main, MrAndersonMan. Here's some data.

CASTLE
75 adv - 57 combats
16867 meat = 296 meat / combat with 95% meat bonus, base = 152

30 lb. hatrack
68 adv - 59 combats (+5% combat)
29371 meat = 498 meat / combat

152*3.28=498
152*1.95

Bonus: 30 lb. = 133%, matches with Lep's 30 lb. = 135%, = 1x Leprechaun
Item spading tomorrow. Disappointing... I was hoping for at least 2x Lep... oh well. At least I pretty much have a volleyfairy now. --[[User:MrAndersonMan|MrAndersonMan]] 08:58, 22 March 2008 (CDT)

And now for items... I tracked goat's milk and cheese and whiskey.
Total 209 combats
Diary 64 Drunk 75 Sabre 70
37 whiskey 36 goat milk 16 goat beard 62 goat cheese 12 sabre teeth 
56.25% goat milk 97% goat cheese 50% whiskey
20% goat milk 40% goat cheese 22.5% whiskey
Around +150% item drops, hatrack gives ~90% item drops
A 30 lb. fairy, using the formula on the page, should give 66.6% item drop boosts. Assuming that the formula DOES diminish, 1.5x Fairy is a fairy good estimate. Hur hur hur. --[[User:MrAndersonMan|MrAndersonMan]] 08:58, 22 March 2008 (CDT)

Can you try this test for me?  Buff you +items to +30%, including passives.  Then buff your hatrack to 22 pounds using a rat head balloon, and spend a day at the beanbats.  If this really is 1.5x fairy, you shouldn't miss a single bean.--[[User:QuantumNightmare|QuantumNightmare]] 10:16, 22 March 2008 (CDT)

===Actual whelp formulas===
For whelp-type hats, the multiplier is not used for the weight, but for the minimum and maximum HP/MP restoration values. For instance, Baron von Ratsworth's tophat has a multiplier of 3. At 18 pounds, the ranges are 11.5-23. Multiply that by 3 and the range is 34.5-69. Rounded down, this fits the data that was collected above. 

To make it even more confusing, the multiplier for the minimum and maximum range may not be the same. The epic hats multiply the minimum value by 4, and the maximum value by 3!

The question is, how are we going to represent this in the table without it getting messier?--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 22:31, 30 March 2008 (CDT)

:I say it's high time we split this off onto another page, a la [[Familiars by type#Enemy damage]].  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 23:00, 30 March 2008 (CDT)

== Avatar/Resist Changes ==
I noticed that, when I had the other pieces of the [[eXtreme Cold-Weather Gear]] equipped and put the [[eXtreme scarf]] on my hatrack, that my avatar changed into the eXtreme Gear one, complete with scarf. Stats also show the moderate Cold damage resistance that had been added once I equipped the familiar. Perhaps the stats the familiars provide are just copies of the hats code directly? --[[User:Hexagon|Hexagon]] 10:48, 3 March 2008 (CST)

Or perhaps the outfit system just checks to see if you have all the items equipped, without checking which slot they're in - the hat goes in the familiar equipment slot, n'est-ce pas?--[[User:Hollow49|Hollow49]] 13:05, 3 March 2008 (CST)

So that means you can wear complete outfit sets (complete with any bonuses they infer) by putting the hat on your hatrack and wearing whatever you like on your head. Neat. --[[User:Hexagon|Hexagon]] 13:24, 3 March 2008 (CST)
*[http://forums.kingdomofloathing.com:8080/vb/showpost.php?p=2732643&postcount=214 Not anymore.] [[User:Count Macantuna|Count Macantuna]] 22:32, 3 March 2008 (CST)

== Formatting Thoughts ==
There's still a lot to be spaded, but given what GoldS has [[#Random Spading|thus far found]], it looks like a second section detailing the exact formulas the hats use will become necessary.  Which may mean we need to split the current table and this other section off onto pages of their own.  As to how to put such a section together, I would suggest something like what is done on [[Familiars by type]].  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 20:52, 3 March 2008 (CST)
*I was mulling over this too. Depending on how the mechanics spill out, it may be possible to just tag on a leading multiplier to the applicable data cell. e.g., if all +stats end up being volleys, then we put 1.0 volley, 0.5 volley, whatever. This would have the added bonus of keeping the table sortable for easy comparison. --[[User:Bagatelle|Bagatelle]] 21:40, 3 March 2008 (CST)
**GoldS' data on the jew hat would suggest that some of the hats may have fixed contributions (or I guess maybe a x5 multiplier--someone'd have to use a 1 pound jew hat rack to find that out).  I suppose an entry like that could just list the exact numbers, though, like "3-4 stats" and "+60% meat", should they be hardcoded.  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 00:49, 4 March 2008 (CST)
***Hm, it might make sense that hats with lower weight limits have higher multipliers, especially Mr. hats. --[[User:Bagatelle|Bagatelle]] 19:44, 4 March 2008 (CST)
****From what I've seen it's a *n modifier to the familiar equation rather than a *n on the weight, whelps show this, a column with n in would be handy imo. Don't think there's any actual connection between this factor and the weight cap though, although generally higher weight==lower modifier to prevent breakage. --[[User:DracoCracona|Draco Cracona]] 10:45, 19 March 2008 (CDT)
*As an aside, I think it would be nice to have (a version of) the hat table organized by power, too, so as to be able to easily find the best hats to equip on the Hatrack, rather than scanning the alphabetical table and possibly missing something better. --[[User:Count Macantuna|Count Macantuna]] 21:58, 3 March 2008 (CST)
**You can already sort the Notes column, which effectively sorts by power. --[[User:Bagatelle|Bagatelle]] 22:27, 3 March 2008 (CST)
***Oh hey.  I didn't notice that.  Thanks.  :D [[User:Count Macantuna|Count Macantuna]] 22:28, 3 March 2008 (CST)

Some other formatting issues I was thinking of. We'll need to go through all the pages for individual items and differentiate between messages that occur in combat, and messages that occur at the end of combat. Additionally, the table needs clarification. Some items have two separate abilities, while others have one ability with two effects (for example, the Brimstone Beret). 
{| cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" border="1" style="text-align:center" class="sorttable"
|-
!valign="center" style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |Hat
! style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |Attacks
! style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |Gain [[Stat Gains from Fights|stats]]
! style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |[[Monster Level|Delevels]]<br />foe
! style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |Entangles<br />foe
! style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |Restores<br />[[HP Restorers|HP]]/[[MP Restorers|MP]]
! style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |Increases<br />[[Meat from Monsters|Meat<br />drops]]
! style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |Increases<br />[[Items from Monsters|item<br />drops]]
! style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |Notes
|-
| style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |[[barskin hat]]
|bgcolor="#FFCCCC" |phys
|bgcolor="#CCCCFF" |stat
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|bgcolor="#EEEEEE" |13 weight cap
|-
| style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |[[big bad voodoo mask]]
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|bgcolor="#FFCCCC " |delevel
|&nbsp;
|bgcolor="#CCCCFF " |HP/MP
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|bgcolor="#EEEEEE" |40 weight cap
|-
| style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |[[bowler]]
|&nbsp;
|bgcolor="#FFCCCC " |stat
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|bgcolor="#FFCCCC " |Meat
|&nbsp;
|bgcolor="#EEEEEE" |25 weight cap
|-
| style="background-color: #EEEEEE" |[[Brimstone Beret]]
|&nbsp;
|bgcolor="#FFCCCC " |stat
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|&nbsp;
|bgcolor="#FFCCCC " |Meat
|&nbsp;
|bgcolor="#EEEEEE" |No weight cap
|}
A single color would signify that one ability has two effects, while two colors would signify two effects. Probably not the prettiest way to do it, but it's a start. --[[User:TechSmurf|TechSmurf]] 22:04, 3 March 2008 (CST)
*Hm, good point on the coupled effects (this table keeps getting more and more complicated, graaaaagh). But don't the effect classes happen 100% at the end or 100% during combat? Stat/Meat/items, I assume, would always be end effects; attack/stun/delevel would be during combat, and I can't tell with HP/MP restore or the time helmet's +adv. If so, this could probably be noted in the column headers/Notes section rather than adding yet more data to the table cells. --[[User:Bagatelle|Bagatelle]] 22:27, 3 March 2008 (CST)
**To the best of my knowledge, all of the items/meats/stats stuff are at the end of combat, as usual.  No meat or item thieves or such have been discovered.  What may be worth distinguishing, though, are combat abilities with multiple effects.  If a hat delevels and damages simultaneously, say, it would probably be nice to have that noted in some fashion.  Offhand I can't think of any that do that, but I haven't been trying to memorize them.  Other groupings that could be color-coded in would be "start of combat/during combat/end of combat".  Knowing if a delevel effect triggers only at the start of combat (like a barrrnacle), or randomly during combat rounds (like pressies/NPZRS/etc.), is pretty useful knowledge.  Similarly with MP restores.  But I don't think it's worth pointing out if the +meat and +items effects, say, are indicated by one message.  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 00:49, 4 March 2008 (CST)

I'd like to see a link from the hat name to the combat text for individual hats. How could that be formatted into the current table design?--[[User:Spleenmaster|Spleenmaster]] 14:52, 4 March 2008 (CST)
*Some [[#Borked|people believe]] individual messages should eventually be migrated onto the hat pages. There's already a link to the three message pages in the previous section if you absolutely must see the messages. --[[User:Bagatelle|Bagatelle]] 19:44, 4 March 2008 (CST)
**Alternatively, the links in the table could be changed to links to (anchors in) the message pages, which I think is sort of what he's getting at.  Or adding a second link to said message page.  But to make the links go to exactly the hat desired (rather than just to their starting letter's position) would require adding a whole bunch of anchors into the page that aren't naturally there.  And adding a second link would bulk up an already-bulky table.  I don't much like the sound of either of those.  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 01:56, 5 March 2008 (CST)


Okay, the current tables looks disgustingly bloated now.  Anyone had any bright ideas on how to pretty things up ?  Props to GoldS for spading most of what's there out, but the current format is kind of an eyesore now.  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 02:37, 27 March 2008 (CDT)

*Some information that's presently included in each cell can be moved to the top of the table, or bottom as notes.  For example, no need to have floor( )  present in every damage cell, every damage familiar uses that operation.  And no need to include "leperchaun" in each meat cell, a simple weight multiplier is enough.--[[User:QuantumNightmare|QuantumNightmare]] 08:02, 27 March 2008 (CDT)


Here's a sample idea for how we could make tables for each particular ability, using attacking hats in particular.  The idea would be to make a page akin to [[Familiars by type]] for the hat abilities, and include such a table for each ability.  Using the InlineItem template in the code would make things a little easier, but would ultimately lead to be template breakage on the proposed page.  So I've made the image/links in the non-templated form.


{| style="width:100%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" border="0px"
|+ Damage formulas for attacking hats. Except where otherwise noted, damage is always rounded down.
! valign="center" style="background-color:#e0e0e0"| Hat
! valign="center" style="background-color:#e0e0e0; text-align:left;"| Action Rate
! valign="center" style="background-color:#e0e0e0; text-align:left;"| Damage
! valign="center" style="background-color:#e0e0e0; text-align:left;"| Weight Cap
|-
| [[Image:Turtle.gif]] [[asbestos helmet turtle]]       
| unknown
| wt*(1-1.5) {{element|Hot|}}
| 20
|-
| [[Image:Asshat.gif]] [[asshat]]
| unknown
|wt*(3-6) {{element|Stench|}}
| 07
|-
| [[Image:skincap.gif]] [[barskin hat]]
| unknown
|wt*(1-2)
|13
|-
| [[Image:meathelmet.gif]] [[basic meat helmet]]
| unknown
|wt*(.5-1) {{element|Sleaze|}}
|10
|}
--[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 02:23, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

== Categorized Effects ==

Mr. Skullhead indicated quite recently [http://forums.kingdomofloathing.com:8080/vb/showthread.php?p=2732583#post2732583 on the forums] that the actions produced by hats fall into a series of broad categories.

Here are the ones he hinted at:
*Helmets - [[Baby Gravy Fairy|fairy]] dance (+item)
*Wigs - [[Levitating Potato]] (entangle)
*Chapeaus - unknown, but includes [[f3d0r4]] (and he said only he would really understand what he classified as a chapeau)
*Caps - unknown, but includes [[draggin' ball hat]]
*Limited - unknown, but difficult to acquire (one might even say ''limited''!)

This could make categorizing effects on this page easier. --[[User:Southwest|Southwest]] 21:47, 3 March 2008 (CST)

Noticed another:
*Crowns/Helms - [[Ghuol Whelp|Whelp]] (this includes all crowns except the [[tattered paper crown|tattered one]], and also includes other hats of "regality", like the Epic Hats.
--[[User:Southwest|Southwest]] 14:11, 9 April 2008 (CDT)

*Caps would be +stat. The draggin' ball hat, catskin cap, and mesh cap all give +stat. Chapeaus are probably +meat: look at the f3dor4, the anniversary concrete fedora, and the duct tape fedora.--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 21:38, 9 April 2008 (CDT)

== All Hats Are Not Created Equal ==

Started doing some spading on the deleveling hats. I think I got all of them...

Hats that delevel only do so at the beginning of the round. All but a few delevel half their weight rounded down.
*Beer helmet/reinforced headband: weight/4
*Makeshift turban: 3/4 wt
*Crown of the Goblin King: wt
*enchanted eyepatch: 2*wt (which unfortunately is muted by the low power on this hat)

--[[User:Foggy|Foggy]] 07:41, 4 March 2008 (CST)


== Bug? Or Not ==
Does anyone have info on this Mad Hatrack bug?  I was wondering about how people lost some of their stuff from this bug.  read next part.....
--->   Stalking The Powers that Be..

Today, 06:03 PM   Jick -  That's funny, because the last time I looked up "report" in the dictionary, I'm pretty sure it meant something other than "exploit for weeks without reporting, in the case of an insidious infinite... 

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Today, 01:51 AM   Jick -  The hat on the hatrack no longer counts toward outfits. Sorry for those of you who were excited about that as a feature -- it was definitely a bug, though. It breaks our insurance policy about... 

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Today, 01:36 AM   Jick -  The issue that allowed this to happen has been fixed, and #6 is generating a report that will allow us to send people back their stuff who lost it this way. 

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Today, 01:30 AM   Mr Skullhead -  That's only half of the text for the Mahi fez. Much love, Boozer. 

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Today, 12:50 AM   Mr Skullhead -  Pretend, just for a second, that you're playing a game with a coherent narrative. I'll wait for a second while we all make that leap. Ready? Okay. 

--[[User:Lemonclaw|Lemon-claw]] 17:37, 4 March 2008 (CST)
:The bug that caused people to lose items involved using certain old IotM familiars at the end of a BM run.  It had nothing to do with the hatrack.  And the bug that jick mentioned in his most recent post is a combination of two bugs...neither of which have anything to do with the hatrack.
:And the wiki is a terrible place to discuss bugs that you aren't sure have been fixed yet.  I'd advise you not to ask for bug details on here.--[[User:QuantumNightmare|QuantumNightmare]] 20:42, 4 March 2008 (CST)

When you say terrible place to discuss bugs, does that mean its against the rules for me to do that?  I was wondering if anyone had any new info on it.  I'd like to know about bugs that aren't fixed yet to try out.  Anyways, where can I discuss bugs if it's not allowed here?  --[[User:Lemonclaw|Lemon-claw]] 21:47, 4 March 2008 (CST)

:I'll be a bit more clear this time.  Do not discuss bugs on the wiki.  Do not ask for information about live bugs, ever.  The only place to discuss bugs is through the "report a bug" link at the top of the in-game display.--[[User:QuantumNightmare|QuantumNightmare]] 22:55, 4 March 2008 (CST)
::[[:Category:Bugs|There are certain exceptions, though]].  Minor bugs are basically fine.  Big bugs (item duping, meat bugs, stat bugs, adventure bugs, et al.) should be kept off the wiki (at least until completely resolved).  Otherwise the wiki becomes a potent vector of dissemination, resulting in a substantial increase in the number of ill-intentioned and malicious people abusing the bug.  AKA, [[bugmeat|a bunch of stupid jerkwads do their damnedest to break the game on a fundamental and global level]].  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 23:49, 4 March 2008 (CST)
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Wool hat gives so-so cold resistence0I think) at wieght 20 in addition to meat drops. THis probably isn't a bug as the wool hat only has the +meat effect in combat and the antique helmet has no resistence boosting.
Someone should test all hats for resistence bonuses.
 --[[User:Brion|Brion thenotgiant]]

== Meat Bonuses Skewering ==

I did some very basic spading with the meat drop hats...I made one assumption, that the meat boost was indicated by winking and had the same formula as leprechauns, with the understanding that the weight might be skewered before the calculation. I then tested the Dire Warren, and adventured til I got 3 different values. For each hat, the number indicates the multiple of the weight used BEFORE the leprechaun formula.

* Wreath of Laurels (0.5 wt) (which is disappointing...I wonder if all of the Battlefield hats are halved)
* Demon-horned hat, stainless steel skullcap, tropical crimbo hat, makeshift turban, black cowboy hat, fez of etymology, enchantlers, worn tophat, duct tape fedora (1 * wt)
* balaclava, Cerebral cloche, ice pick, bowler (1.5 wt)
* sequined fez (1.75 wt)
* green traffic cone (2 wt) (I have no other traffic cones to test with)
* basic meat fez (2.75 wt)
* chef's hat, meat cowboy hat, irate sombrero (3 wt)
* party hat (3.75 wt)
* jewel-eyed wizard hat, harem veil (5 wt)

Other meat-dropping hats not tested: KOL 3-d glasses, indie glasses, grimacite goggles, crimbo hat, brimstone beret, and anniversary concrete fedora.--[[User:Foggy|Foggy]] 10:36, 6 March 2008 (CST)

GoldS sent me some meat data a few days ago.. here are my conclusions:
* black cowboy hat, duct tape fedora, enchantlers, F3d0r4, Fez of etymology, Demon-horned hat (1*wt)
* Cerebral cloche, bowler, Balaclava (1.5*wt)
* blue traffic cone, green traffic cone (2*wt)
* Chef's hat, basic meat fez (3*wt)
* Indie glasses, KoL Con 3-D Glasses (8*wt)

**The only difference between my data and foggy's is the basic meat fez.  My analysis was done with beanbat 8-12 points of beanbat data per hat, and the slightly more accurate leprechaun formula found on the AFH forums.  Most regular hats seem to be 1*wt, with zodiac/holiday/mr store items being higher, and the low powered hats being even stronger.--[[User:QuantumNightmare|QuantumNightmare]] 11:07, 9 March 2008 (CDT)

Could you put these results into the table? For example since you have determined that the duct tape fedora has meat drop effect of (1*wt) and we know that the fedora is always 48 lbs and cannot be altered by leveling or familiar buffs, we can just say that the meat drop effect is 11(48)^.74 = +193% right? And the same for each of the others. --[[User:smacfarl|smacfarl]] 10:30, 7 March 2008 (EST)
*No, it is ''not'' always 48 pounds. It is ''capped'' at 48 pounds. However, depending on whether the hats with multiple functions end up having the same multipliers across functions, it may be useful to calculate a maximum effective weight column. --[[User:Bagatelle|Bagatelle]] 14:37, 7 March 2008 (CST)

I've got both the 3D and the indie glasses, and if someone tells me(i'd likely see a kmail sooner than a reply here, but either work) what they need I can get the data of those in here, too. --[[User:FFiXMaster|FFiXMaster]] 11:27, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
* In order to spade meat drops, keep your familiar weight constant and adventure naked in the beanbats.  Once you receive 10-11 different meat drops, post the individual meat drops you received.  If doesn't matter how many times you received each.  A perfect example of this the the info GoldS kmailed me.  With this information, it's trivial to find the exact meat bonus.
::Syntax example:
::30% passives
::'''Demon-horned hat'''
::Weight: 17
::Meat drops: 65, 67, 70, 72, 74, 76, 78, 81, 85, 87"--[[User:QuantumNightmare|QuantumNightmare]] 12:50, 9 March 2008 (CDT)

:40% passives + Packrat 
:'''KoL Con 3-D Glasses''' 
:Weight: 2 
:Meat drops: 69, 72, 74, 76, 78, 81, 83, 85, 87, 90, 96. 
:'''indie comic hipster glasses''' 
:Weight: 2 
:Meat drops: 63, 69, 72, 74, 76, 78, 81, 83, 85, 87, 90. --[[User:FFiXMaster|FFiXMaster]] 16:52, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

*I think you made a mistake with the 3-D glasses, the meat drops you listed are impossible.  Did you have a mayflower/navel ring equipped, or are a packrat?  Otherwise, the indie glasses give an 85% bonus, that's a 16 pound leprechaun.--[[User:QuantumNightmare|QuantumNightmare]] 19:33, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
**The only thing I had equipped was a disco ball so battles didn't last forever, but I am a Packrat, as I said I was. --[[User:FFiXMaster|FFiXMaster]] 20:15, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
***Packrat explains it.  Thanks for the spading, with that info both results are pretty conclusive.--[[User:QuantumNightmare|QuantumNightmare]] 20:36, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

GoldS sent more meat data, here are the results:
* Makeshift Turban, Pith helmet, Skullcap, Tropical Crimbo, Wool Hat, Worn Tophat (1*wt)
* Ice Pick, Outrageous Sombrero (1.5*wt)
* Red Traffic Cone (2*wt)
* Irate Sombrero, Meat Cowboy Hat (3*wt)
* Party Hat (4*wt)
* Harem Veil (5*wt)

The only unexpected values was:
*Sequined Fez (1.75*weight)

This hat has a weight cap of 20, and I can assume that after all this testing GoldS's hatrat was at a base 20 pounds.  I'd assume this hat is also at 1.5*weight, with a bonus of 25% weight being applied because it's used at the "correct" weight.  As well, this result gives a different value for the pith helmet than was previously recorded.  Where is there spading for the pith helmet?--[[User:QuantumNightmare|QuantumNightmare]] 08:36, 14 March 2008 (CDT)

I figured out the Crimbo Hat multiplier. The data for a 25 lb crimbo hat didn't seem to fit in either 1.5 or 2.0 weight. I ran a Brimstone Beret at 43  pounds and got the same meat drops I got with the Crimbo hat. The multiplier is 1.75.--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 01:40, 28 March 2008 (CDT)

Beanbat testing confirms 20lb Hatrack with Sequinned fez has meat drop bonus of 150-151%, equivalent to a 35lb leprechaun, giving a 1.75 multiplier--[[User:Hollow49|Hollow49]] 09:10, 3 April 2008 (CDT)

*31 pound grim googles gave {78, 98, 109, 106, 84} meat drops.  That's a 140% bonus, equivalent to a 31 pound leprechaun.  1*wt.
*12 pounds rasberry beret gave {76, 82, 87, 74, 89, 79, 94} meat drops.  That's a 116% bonus, equivalent to a 24.5 pound leprechaun.  2*wt.
*22 pound radio free hat gave {94, 82, 84, 97, 89, 87, 74, 72} meat drops.  That's a 109% bonus, equivalent to a 22.5 pound leprechaun.  1*wt.
*25 pounds crimbo hat gave {105, 114, 121, 95, 124, 118, 92} meat drops.  That's a 179% bonus, equivalent to a 44 pound leprechaun.  1.75*wt.-[[User:QuantumNightmare|QuantumNightmare]] 09:22, 13 April 2008 (CDT)

== Lips/Pole/Tam messages? ==

I may have missed it in the mass of messages on seperate pages, but does this familiar have special messages for using the Wax Lips et al?  I don't know if they're even equippable, but if they aren't then that should probably have it's own note.  If they are, adding the messages (probably to the main page?) would be appreciated.  [[User:Bakapyrite|Bakapyrite]] 22:11, 6 March 2008 (CST)


Wax lips

Tiny Brain says "these taste like purple!" and smiles from beneath the wax lips.

Maypole

Tiny Brain says "who do you, who do you, who do you, who do you, who do you think you are?" and does a crazy dance around the maypole.

Tam

Tiny Brain says "faith and begorrah, there are monitoring devices in my scalp!" and winks from under the Tam O'Shanter.

[[User:John|John]] 09:31, 5 April 2008 (CDT)

== Ability Template ==

I've noticed that some have thrown around the idea of adding the Hatrack abilities to the individual hat pages. Instead of just adding a new section in every page manually, would it be more efficient to create a template to just throw into each hat page? I gave it a shot in the template sandbox, but just don't have enough Wiki skills to make a clean one. Anyone more knowledgeable want to try? [[User:Chawmp|Chawmp]] 04:11, 11 March 2008 (CDT)

== Stunning/Entangling ==

Assuming a levitating potato is at 1.5*weight block rate, the following all tested in the right range for:

* '''0.5 potato''' toy space helmet, antique helmet, time helmet, El Vibrato helmet, grungy bandana, and star hat
* '''1.0 potato''' extra-large palm frond toupee, mohawk wig, bubblewrap bottlecap turtleban, Baron von Ratsworth's top hat, filthy knitted dread sack, longhaired hippy wig, Knob Goblin visor, irate sombrero, clown wig, goat beard, and yak toupee
* '''1.5 potato''' cornuthaum
* '''2.0 potato''' furry green turtle
* '''2.5 potato''' raspberry beret
* '''3.0 potato''' mullet wig, maiden wig

Not surprisingly, the weaker hats have the higher multiplier. Spading is not fully conclusive, but was done by running the familiar at either max weight or 25 pounds (which was lower) through combats while using a hiveminder each turn. The lime potatoes by the way (clown wig, yak toupee and goat beard) all can entangle and attack on the same turn.--[[User:Foggy|Foggy]] 08:59, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

== Thanks! (and a little suggestion) ==

Just wanted to express my thanks to you guys. The spading on  this page is progressing with godspeed!
Also, I thought I'd make a little suggestion for a "max power" column added after each current one, so we could sort hats by that.

Then the meat cowboy hat which is 3xleprechaun and has a max weight of 10 would show as a 30lbs lep at best, etc. Or would that be too hard on the table? It's probably better to keep that for later when the mass spading is done, though.

Gratz for it all anyway! --[[User:Groli|Groli]] 11:30, 16 March 2008 (CDT)

I'd also like to thank everyone who has undertaken the difficult task of spading this monstrosity. One suggestion/request, though. Would it be possible for someone to create a web page or GM script that would recommend hats for optimizing certain abilities at certain weights. For example, say my hatrack weighs 12 lbs and I want to maximize +meat... right now, I have to sort the table by Meat, then scan through the max weight column and compare it to the multiplier column to figure out which is best. It would be really nice for the computer to magically do so for me. Of course, I guess the spading needs to be completed first (I'm really happy to see that the Fairy abilities have started to have their multipliers spaded, by the way).

Thanks again for all the hard (and extremely useful) work! --[[User:DuckAndCower|DuckAndCower]] 18:51, 26 March 2008 (CDT)

I would also like to thank and congratulate everyone who has worked on spading the hatrack. You guys have done a great job.

I have a little suggestion too. I don't know how big a sample size must be to pass as acceptable here, but in statistics, 1000 is like, the smallest passable sample size. I know its a big number, 750 should be more than enough. 5 players playing 150 combats with the same hat, same weight, same place, etc. is functionally identical to 750 adv by the same person. We could have very accurate multipliers for every hat, and find out what the +hat drop percentage is for a bare hatrack. 

I would like to help out myself, as soon as I finish my Bad Moon loop. Thanks again for your work.
--[[User:Pepeson|Pepeson]] 22:13, 30 March 2008 (CDT)\

I suggest adding hatrack effects in the NOTES sections of the individual hat pages.--[[User:DiscoNeckTed|DiscoNeckTed]] 12:11, 25 April 2008 (CDT)

Another suggestion, why are custom items displayed in lists like this?
There's a single MAHI fez in the kingdom, who cares what it does? It would be really cool if there was a filter for custom items, items you can't get in HC or BM, ultra-rares, IotMs, etc...--[[User:Pepeson|Pepeson]] 20:24, 1 July 2008 (CDT)

== Fairy spading ==
I think it's time to start doing the item drop hats...this is my data so far. If anyone else would like to help with this, please let me know...I'll be updating this table every day with new data. Not conclusive, blah blah blah, but it certainly helps.

Thanks go out to Don Quai Poncerello for providing additional data on the Outrageous sombrero, Stainless steel skullcap, and Tropical Crimbo Hat, and to ScorpionX for lending me a Radio Free Baseball Cap.

FOR ALL

Beanbats<br />
Base item drop: 50%<br />

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'''Antique helmet'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +30% <br />
Item drops: 202/250<br />
Item drop %: 80.8%<br />
Fairy bonus: +30%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 0.5x<br />

'''Asbestos helmet turtle'''<br />
Weight: 20<br />
Base item drop bonus: +30% <br />
Item drops: 226/250<br />
Item drop %: 90.4%<br />
Fairy bonus: 50%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Balloon helmet'''<br />
Weight: 12<br />
Base item drop bonus: +30% <br />
Item drops: 250/250<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=70%<br />

Weight: 12<br />
Base item drop bonus: +20% <br />
Item drops: 147/150<br />
Item drop %: 98%<br />
Fairy bonus: 76%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 3.0x<br />

'''Basic meat helmet'''<br />
Weight: 10<br />
Base item drop bonus: +30%<br />
Item drops: 223/250<br />
Item drop %: 89.2%<br />
Fairy bonus: 49%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 2.0x<br />

'''Beer helmet'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +30%<br />
Item drops: 242/250<br />
Item drop %: 96.8%<br />
Fairy bonus: 64%<br />

Item failed to drop at +40%: Yes (Took 10 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +45%: No (100 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 55% < X < 60%

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Biomechanical crimborg helmet'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +40%<br />
Item drops: 99/100<br />
Item drop %: 99%<br />
Fairy bonus: 58%<br />

Item failed to drop at +30%: Yes (Took 3 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +40%: Yes (Took 98 adventures)<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Black helmet'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +45%<br />
Item drops: 100/100<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus >=55%<br />

Item failed to drop at +35%: Yes (Took 51 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +40%: Yes (Took 17 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +45%: No (100 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 55% < X < 60%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Blue traffic cone'''<br />
Weight: 15<br />
Base item drop bonus: +40%<br />
Item drops: 200/200<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=60%<br />

Item failed to drop at +20%: Yes (Took 29 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +30%: Yes (Took 6 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +40%: No (200 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 60% < X < 70%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 2.0x<br />

'''Bounty hunting helmet'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +20%<br />
Item drops: 200/200<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=80%<br />

Item failed to drop at +20%: No (200 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +15%: Yes (Took 97 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +0%:  Yes (Took 3 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 80% < X < 85%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.5x<br />

'''Chrome helmet turtle'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +40%<br />
Item drops: 99/100<br />
Item drop %: 99%<br />
Fairy bonus: 58%<br />

Item failed to drop at +30%: Yes (Took 9 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +35%: Yes (Took 2 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +40%: Yes (Took 93 adventures)<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Cloaca-Cola helmet'''<br />
Weight: 7<br />
Base item drop bonus: +50%<br />
Item drops: 100/100<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=50%<br />

Item failed to drop at +40%: Yes (Took 18 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +50%: No (150 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +60%: No (100 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 50 < X < 60<br />

Fairy multiplier: 3.0x<br />

'''Coconut shell'''<br />
Weight: 7<br />

Item failed to drop at +40%: Yes (Took 4 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +50%: Yes (Took 3 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +60%: Yes (Took 1 adventure)<br />
Item failed to drop at +70%: Yes (Took 11 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +80%: No (100 adventures)<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />


'''Cornuthaum'''<br />
Weight: 21<br />
Base item drop bonus: +40%<br />
Item drops: 250/250<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=60%<br />

Item failed to drop at +30%: Yes (Took 41 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +35%: Yes (Took 12 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +40%: No (250 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 60 < X < 65<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.25x<br />

'''Depleted Grimacite ninja mask'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +41%<br />
Item drops: 150/150<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=59%<br />

Item failed to drop at +35%: Yes (Took 56 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +41%: No (150 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 59 < X < 65<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Dwarvish war helmet'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +41%<br />
Item drops: 150/150<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=59%<br />

Item failed to drop at +35%: Yes (Took 94 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +41%: No (150 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 59 < X < 65<br />

'''Dyspepsi-Cola helmet'''<br />
Weight: 7<br />
Base item drop bonus: +50%<br />
Item drops: 100/100<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=50%<br />

Item failed to drop at +40%: Yes (Took 2 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +50%: No (100 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 50 < X < 60<br />

Fairy multiplier: 3.0x<br />

'''El Vibrato helmet'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +30%<br />
Item drops: 231/250<br />
Item drop %: 92.4%<br />
Fairy bonus: 55%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Fancy ball mask'''<br />
Weight: 22<br />
Base item drop bonus: +50%<br />
Item drops: 100/100<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=50%<br />

Item failed to drop at +30%: Yes (Took 23 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +40%: Yes (Took 8 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +50%: No (100 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 50 < X < 60<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Festive holiday hit'''<br />
Weight: 7<br />
Base item drop bonus: +80%<br />
Item drops: 100/100<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=20%<br />

Item failed to drop at +40%: Yes (Took 6 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +50%: Yes (Took 8 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +60%: Yes (Took 9 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +70%: Yes (Took 2 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +80%: No (100 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 20 < X < 30<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Furry green turtle'''<br />
Weight: 11<br />
Base item drop bonus: +0%<br />
Item drops: 190/250<br />
Item drop %: 76%<br />
Fairy bonus: 52%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 2.0x<br />

'''Giant discarded bottlecap'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +50%<br />
Item drops: 100/100<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=50%<br />

Item failed to drop at +30%: Yes (Took 6 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +40%: Yes (Took 53 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +50%: No (100 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 50 < X < 60<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Green traffic cone'''<br />
Weight: 15<br />
Base item drop bonus: +35%<br />
Item drops: 100/100
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=65%<br />

Item failed to drop at +25%: Yes (Took 13 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +35%: No (100 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 65% < X < 75%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 2.0x<br />

'''Hodgman's porkpie hat'''<br />
Weight: 40<br />

Item failed to drop at +45%: Yes (Took 82 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +50%: No (200 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 50% < X < 55%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 0.5x<br />

'''Ice pick'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +25%<br />
Item drops: 100/100<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=75%<br />

Item failed to drop at +0%: Yes (Took 8 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +15%: Yes (Took 74 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +25%: No (100 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 75% < X < 85%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.5x<br />

'''Knob Goblin elite helm'''<br />
Weight: 15<br />
Base item drop bonus: +35%<br />
Item drops: 100/100<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=65%<br />

Item failed to drop at +20%: Yes (Took 6 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +25%: Yes (Took 18 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +35%: No (100 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 65% < X < 75%<br />

'''Knobby helmet turtle'''<br />
Weight: 5<br />
Base item drop bonus: +30%<br />
Item drops: 199/250<br />
Item drop %: 79.6%<br />
Fairy bonus: 30%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 2.0x<br />

'''Linoleum helmet turtle'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +45%<br />
Item drops: 100/100<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=55%<br />

Item failed to drop at +35%: Yes (Took 10 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +45%: No (100 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 55% < X < 65%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Meatloaf helmet'''<br />
Weight: 13<br />
Base item drop bonus: +55%<br />
Item drops: 100/100<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=45%<br />

Item failed to drop at +35%: Yes (Took 3 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +45%: Yes (Took 5 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +55%: No (100 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 45% < X < 55%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.5x<br />

'''Meaty helmet turtle'''<br />
Weight: 17<br />
Base item drop bonus: +60%<br />
Item drops: 100/100<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=40%<br />

Item failed to drop at +50%: Yes (Took 15 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +60%: No (100 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 40% < X < 50%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Miner's helmet'''<br />
Weight: 20<br />
Base item drop bonus: +50%<br />
Item drops: 100/100<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=50% <br />

Item failed to drop at +40%: Yes (Took 1 adventure)<br />
Item failed to drop at +50%: No (100 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 50% < X < 60%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Mummy mask'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +45%<br />
Item drops: 100/100<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=55%<br />

Item failed to drop at +35%: Yes (Took 8 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +45%: No (100 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 55% < X < 65%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Outrageous sombrero'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +30%<br />
Item drops: 100/100<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=70%<br />

Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +0%<br />
Item drops: 130/150<br />
Item drop %: 86%<br />
Fairy bonus: ~72%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.5x<br />

'''Pail'''<br />
Weight: 7<br />
Base item drop bonus: +60%<br />
Item drops: 100/100<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairybonus: >=40%<br />

Item failed to drop at +40%: Yes (Took 1 adventure)<br />
Item failed to drop at +50%: Yes (Took 15 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +60%: No (100 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 40% < X < 50%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 2.0x<br />

'''Radio Free Baseball Cap'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />

Item failed to drop at +40%: Yes (Took 99 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +45%: No (100 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 55% < X < 60%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Reinforced beaded headband'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +45%<br />
Item drops: 100/100<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=55%<br />

Item failed to drop at +35%: Yes (Took 94 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +45%: No (100 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 55% < X < 65%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Skeletortoise'''<br />
Weight: 7<br />
Base item drop bonus: +30%<br />
Item drops: 213/250<br />
Item drop %: 85.2%<br />
Fairy bonus: 40%<br />

Item failed to drop at +50%: Yes (Took 39 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +55%: Yes (Took 59 adventures)<br />

Fairy multiplier: 2.0x<br />

'''Spiky turtle helmet'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +41%<br />
Item drops: 200/200<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=59%<br />

Item failed to drop at +35%: Yes (Took 171 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +41%: No (200 adventures)<br />
Fairy bonus: 59% < X < 65%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Sponge helmet''' <br />
Weight: 25 <br />
Base item drop bonus: +45% <br />
Item drops: 200/200 <br />
Item drop %: 100% <br />
Fairy bonus: >=55% <br />

Item failed to drop at +35%: Yes (Took 67 adventures) <br />
Item failed to drop at +45%: No (200 adventures) <br />
Fairy bonus: 55% < X < 65% <br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x <br />

'''Stainless steel skullcap'''<br />
Weight: 22<br />
Base item drop bonus: +30%<br />
Item drops: 139/150<br />
Item drop %: 92.6%<br />
Fairy bonus: 55%<br />

Weight: 22<br />
Base item drop bonus: +20%<br />
Item drops: 137/150<br />
Item drop %: 91.3%<br />
Fairy bonus: 63%<br />

Weight: 22<br />
Base item drop bonus: +0%<br />
Item drops: 161/200<br />
Item drop %: 80.5%<br />
Fairy bonus: 60%<br />

Item failed to drop at +40%: Yes (Took 66 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +45%: Yes (Took 37 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +50%: No (100 adventures)<br />

Fairy bonus: 50% < X < 55%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Straw hat''' <br />
Weight: 25 <br />
Base item drop bonus: +45% <br />
Item drops: 150/150 <br />
Item drop %: 100% <br />
Fairy bonus: >=55% <br />

Item failed to drop at +35%: Yes (Took 39 adventures) <br />
Item failed to drop at +45%: No (150 adventures) <br />
Fairy bonus: 55% < X < 65% <br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x <br />

'''Toy space helmet'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +45%<br />
Item drops: 100/100<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=55%<br />

Item failed to drop at +35%: Yes (Took 90 turns)<br />
Item failed to drop at +45%: No (100 turns)<br />
Fairy bonus: 55% < X < 65%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.0x<br />

'''Tropical Crimbo Hat'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +30%<br />
Item drops: 100/100<br />
Item drop %: 100%<br />
Fairy bonus: >=70%<br />

Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +0%<br />
Item drops: 134/150<br />
Item drop %: 89.3%<br />
Fairy bonus: 79%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 1.5x<br />

'''Wreath of Laurels'''<br />
Weight: 25<br />
Base item drop bonus: +60%<br />
Item drops: 96/100<br />
Item drop %: 96%<br />
Fairy bonus: 32%<br />

Item failed to drop at +50%: Yes (Took 4 adventures)<br />
Item failed to drop at +60%: Yes (Took 84 adventures) <br />

Fairy bonus: X < 40%<br />

Fairy multiplier: 0.5x<br />


Exactly what do you mean when you say the antique helmet has a ".5x" multiplier?  If weight, that leaves it under 20 pounds.  The [[Baby Gravy Fairy]] page doesn't have a formula for under 20 pounds post NS13.  It's even under 17 pounds, which could hypothetically be easily spaded out through use of a rat head balloon and a character without the +5 weight passive.  Do you have reliable information for low-weight fairies that hasn't made it onto the wiki?  Or is this a post-weight calculation modifier?  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 01:29, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
*It still applies to the weight. There's information here - http://afh.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=712&mforum=afh - about fairy spading at under 20 lbs. And you can't use a rat head balloon with the hatrack, the hat already takes up the equipment slot.--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 01:38, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
**I meant put the balloon on an ACTUAL fairy, not a pretend fairy.  I'll check the link out shortly.  Well, eventually.  Thanks.  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 02:24, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

Well, this is it for me. I don't have any of the con hats, don't have access to a Radio Free Baseball Cap, and I'm not BoozerBear. Someone else will have to fill in the gaps.--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 01:45, 19 April 2008 (CDT)

== Bare Naked Hatrack Effect? ==

Mr. Skullhead on the forums stated that a hatrack without a hat wants a hat, and so will increase the chances of hat drops.

Shading, anyone?
--[[User:Brion thenotgiant|Brion thenotgiant]] 14:57, 27 March 2008 (CDT)

A quick check: 200 adventures in the Treasury, with a 25-lb bare hatrack, and no passives. Got 9 helms from 84 guards (expected 3) and 3 visors from 86 bean counters (expected 3). Needs another batch of runs.--[[User:Foggy|Foggy]] 16:38, 28 March 2008 (CDT)

A discussion about this elsewhere pointed out that the Treasury is a bad place to spade this, since the low base drop rates make it more difficult.  The gallery with olfaction on the empty suit of armor would be a nice place to spade it.  In addition, spading should probably be done on hat drop rates when a hat is equipped (a hat that has been confirmed to not affect item rates), it might do something then too. --[[User:Lostcalpolydude|Lostcalpolydude]] 03:27, 2 April 2008 (CDT)

==Tattered paper crown==
Here are some data points for a 15 lb hatrack with the tattered paper crown. None of this data was gathering during a stat day, and the only monster level modifiers used were for the second run of giant sandworms.

'''Tattered paper crown'''<br />
Weight: 15<br />

Versus Fluffy bunny<br />
Monster level: 1<br />
Expected substat range: 1<br />
Actual substat range: 1<br />
Bonus: 0<br />

Versus Beanbat<br />
Monster level: 21<br />
Expected substat range: 5-6<br />
Actual substat range: 6-7<br />
Bonus: 1<br />

Versus Knob Goblin Very Mad Scientist<br />
Monster level: 45<br />
Expected substat range: 11-12<br />
Actual substat range: 13-14<br />
Bonus: 2<br />

Versus Anime smiley<br />
Monster level: 77<br />
Expected substat range: 19-20<br />
Actual substat range: 22-23<br />
Bonus: 3<br />

Versus Rampaging adding machine<br />
Monster level: 80<br />
Expected substat range: 20<br />
Actual substat range: 23<br />
Bonus: 3<br />

Versus Black widow<br />
Monster level: 132<br />
Expected substat range: 33<br />
Actual substat range: 37<br />
Bonus: 4<br />

Versus Giant Sandworm<br />
Monster level: 175<br />
Expected substat range: 43-44<br />
Actual substat range: 48-49<br />
Bonus: 5<br />

Versus Giant Sandworm (+79 ML)<br />
Monster level: 254<br />
Expected stat range: 63-64<br />
Actual stat range: 69-70<br />
Bonus: 6<br />

This seems consistent with a 15 pound sombrero, except it seems to be either rounding down the result or subtracting 1 from it. I don't know whether the sombrero formula rounds down or not, so if someone could answer that it would be helpful.--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 22:30, 16 April 2008 (CDT)
:Well, it doesn't say so on the page, but it does only say "approximately", which could mean there is something like a rounding mechanic involved.  How many combats were you running against each monster type?  I don't suppose you have a 15 pound sombrero (or sombrero-equivalent) you could use as a control?  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 22:38, 16 April 2008 (CDT)
:It was 10 against each monster type.
::You've confirmed it already below, but just to chime in: yes, the sombrero formula is floored.--[[User:Salien|Salien]] 18:45, 18 April 2008 (CDT)

I just went again the same monsters in the same conditions as before with a 15 lb sombrero and got the exact same bonuses, including the bonus of zero for the fluffy bunny. So, this acts like a normal 15 lb sombrero.--[[User:GoldS|GoldS]] 23:17, 16 April 2008 (CDT)

== Balloon Helmet ==

Anecdotal evidence seems to suggest some kind of --combat with the balloon helmet. Its message mentions a horrible squeaky noise which could be +ML or +combat and I just dont seem to be getting many non-combats while using it on the hatrack.--[[User:Darkness|Darkness]] 18:03, 5 May 2008 (CDT)
:The possibility of +ML should be readily detectable from running a few handful or so of combats in appropriate areas to see if you get more substats than you ought to.  And effects on combat percentage is most easily (and precisely) tested using the [[Random Lack of an Encounter#Head down to the galley|Random Lack of an Encounter]] adventure at the airship.  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 18:09, 5 May 2008 (CDT)

== miniature Jacob's ladder ==

The mad hatrack for some reason can equip the hunchback minion's sepcific equipment, the miniature jacob's ladder. I tried putzing with it, and it doesn't seem to do anything, is being able to equip it a bug? --[[User:Ohnoanotherputz|Ohnoanotherputz]] 12:37, 17 June 2008 (CDT)
*Pretty sure Hatracks familiar equipment can be worn by most familiars, even hatracks. It's just that the equipment isn't going to do a whole lot on the hatrack. (Caveat: I haven't actually popped mine into my terrarium yet.) --[[User:Bagatelle|Bagatelle]] 19:30, 18 June 2008 (CDT)
**I haven't tried all familiar specific equipment on it, but lots of it, and the only one that it can equip is the miniature jacob's ladder.--[[User:Ohnoanotherputz|Ohnoanotherputz]] 00:33, 19 June 2008 (CDT)

== Zombo's skullcap ==

Hatrack deals damage when equiped with Zombo's skullcap. However I can't tell how much damage, exactly as the message doesn't say.

"Gon batters your opponent mercilessly while making creepy "Oooooooh. Oooooooooooh." noises."

It was enough to kill a monster with 210 HP in four hits, at 16lbs.
--[[User:Supernova163|Supernova163]] 10:08, 21 June 2008 (CDT)


== Battered old top-hat ==

DarkSpuddle hops from foot to foot while repeatedly saying "Indubitably!" to nobody in particular.
That's all I could find it do. I tried against Castle giants as well.
Seems to be +items. Activated against hobos, who don't drop meat. At 13lbs, no visible cap (of course). I'll spade this lil' hat tomorrow. --[[User:Wavedash|Wavedash]] 18:26, 27 June 2008 (CDT)

This is really weird... whenever I equip the hat over rollover, I get +500 HP at the beginning of the day, but when I take it off, it goes back down, even when I re-equip it. MOAR SPADING --[[User:Wavedash|Wavedash]] 06:42, 30 June 2008 (CDT)

At 50 pounds, I fought Chester with only the DB's passive +20% items, phat loot lyric, and a hatrack wearing the tophat. I recieved one slider, so the hatrack gives at least +60% item drops, but no more than 159%  --[[User:Unhuman|Unhuman]] 00:31, 27 July 2008 (CDT)

Fought a fluffy bunny at 50 pounds, no +ml or +stats, I got 11 subtats, a bonus of ten. --[[User:Unhuman|Unhuman]] 14:58, 28 July 2008 (CDT)

I did some work on the +stats for the Top-hat.  It appears to be a 0.5 Volly, tried it as 30lb and 40lb and results showed +3-4 stats at 30lb and +4-5 stats at 40lb. --[[User:Kow|Kow]] 11:34, 29 July 2008 (CDT)

That's odd... you'd think it'd be 0.75, since the other Hattery hats are 0.75 combo familiars. --[[User:Wavedash|Wavedash]] 18:40, 30 July 2008 (CDT)

I did work on the +items, it appears to be a .75x fairy.
using a 30lb hatrack/battered top-hat with only +10% passive item find:

114/137 beanbats dropped a bean, giving an observed drop rate of 83.2%.  After accounting for my passive +10%, the 30 lb battered top-hat is doing +56.4%.

a 30lb fairy:<br>
at .5(weight) would do +40.7%<br>
at .75(weight) would do +54.7%<br>
at 1.0(weight) would do +67.6%<br>

The observed results are very close to the .75x value.  I'll add the vollyfairy values to the table. --[[User:Kow|Kow]] 19:17, 6 September 2008 (CDT)

== Shapeless wide-brimmed hat ==
At the end of every combat:
<name> says "Well... I guess I'd better be hittin' that dusty ol' trail," then immediately lies down to take a nap.
--[[User:Kow|Kow]] 15:19, 25 July 2008 (CDT)

data (meat values with 40 lb Shapeless wide-brimmed hat):<br>
430<br>
411<br>
335<br>
444<br>
374<br>
341<br>
366<br>
324<br>
357<br>
411<br>
310<br>
404<br>
310<br>
374<br>
374<br>
336<br>
310<br>
376<br>
310<br>
357<br>
329<br>
341<br>
371<br>
359<br>
392<br>

361.84 average (vs the usual 150 average)<br>

I ran the Shapeless wide-brimmed hat at lvl 40 in The Castle in the Sky.  I had no additional +meat gear or buffs. 25 combats gave an average of 361 meat, which fits with a 0.75 Leprechaun. It did not affect stat gain at all. I do not know if it affects +item.--[[User:Kow|Kow]] 23:50, 25 July 2008 (CDT)

Today I worked on the +item find in the Beanbat Chamber.  The results are that it acts as a 0.75 Fairy as well (0.75 fairychaun). This is reasonable because the crumpled felt fedora is a 0.75 volleychaun.

Data:<br>
Using a 30lb Shapeless wide-brimmed hat and no other +item modifiers. This should work out to +55% item find as a 0.75 fairy (22.5lbs effective).<br>
observed results: 15/20 combats gave a bean which works out to +50% item find. <br>

Using a 30lb Shapeless wide-brimmed hat and +45% item find. This should work out to 100% bean drops as a 0.75 fairy (22.5lbs effective).<br>
observed results: 20/20 combats gave a bean: 100%.<br>

Using a 30lb Shapeless wide-brimmed hat and +40% item find. This should work out to 97.5% bean drops as a 0.75 fairy (22.5lbs effective).<br>
observed results: 19/20 combats gave a bean which works out to +95% item find.<br>

Shapeless wide-brimmed hat is a 0.75 Fairychaun. --[[User:Kow|Kow]] 17:22, 26 July 2008 (CDT)

==Webbed Comic Mask==
Gah, my post didn't go through... I lost a lot of my data.  I think this acts as a Volleyball (getting +5 stats vs Bean Counters) and a 2x Leprechaun.  Additionally, at one point, I had a Bean Counter drop 1013 meat... only one so far, though.  Next time I adventure with my character I'll try for more real stats.  --[[User:Captainslowontheuptake|Captainslowontheuptake]] 10:30, 5 August 2008 (CDT)

* The bean counter that dropped 1000+ meat is probably the knob goblin embezzler, the semirare. --[[User:Shademaster00|Shademaster00]] 13:32, 5 August 2008 (CDT)