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;For previous discussions with me, see: 
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==Creation/Editing Permissions==
I'm trying to snag permission to create pages and edit necessary pages, very specifically the News:LatestNews and [[History_of_Loathing_(2016)]] pages. I actually think I can edit the History page, so scratch that. But I'd like to be able to maintain the latest news of the Kingdom. You can see my addition to the Discussion page. --[[User:Cakeytaste|Cakeytaste]] ([[User talk:Cakeytaste|talk]]) 16:43, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

==summary bans==
*we had a spam problem.we did some stuff and those spammers seem to have gone away.
*new spammers spring up every day, though, and there is a race to block them before they can do any damage.
*if i banned you and you're no spammer, please feel free to complain.
*i have this account in-game, and i read my gmail account every now and again.
*i am very sorry. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] 19:32, 13 April 2012 (CEST)

==REDIRECTS==
In Kol Mafia the spooky vampire is capped Spooky Vampire, but if you goto wiki/index.php?Spooky_Vampire it gives 404, I figured it would be ok, since it was just a redirect. Then I determined that it would be less time consuming to try the mafia capitalization, then if that doesn't work try first letter capatilized then everything else uncapped. (Oh, I was writing a script to look up init values on monsters that mafia doesn't have init data for, but don't worry it caches the YYYYMMD value of when it last looked it up and won't look it up again until YYYYMMD changes... so the first, tenth, twentith and thirtith day of the month.) However, even after that change some links still don't work which is why today I created redirects for Animated_nightstand (white) the actual page is Animated_nightstand (White) which is a rare (I hope) exception to the capitalization rules. Also, Hope I am Notifing correctly as I don't have much exp with Wiki--[[User:Paragon123|Paragon123]] ([[User talk:Paragon123|talk]]) 04:54, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
*i'm no fan of mafia, although i do use it to solve the dwarven puzzle because i am lazy and stupid.
*although we would chqnge the wiki because of mafia i would always advise against
*this, though, is purely your poor scripting. '''stop adding redirects''' for this purpose. if you have to script lookups but don't have the correct pagenames you can do one of three things.
*#get mafia to use the same casing as the wiki. you can, i believe, update its lists yourself or, since it's an open project, actually update them in the live tree
*#lobby the wiki to move the pages to the same casing as mafia. if it's "Spooky Vampire" in-game it should be here too. don't move the pages yourself, though
*# (my personal favourite) alter your script so that it does the lookup properly. a first guess would be that using the search with all lower case page names will give you what you want.
*if you continue to add redirects you will no longer be welcome on the wiki. 
*i don't own the wiki, though. if you think i'm being unreasonable, in the first instance start a [[discussion]]. if that doesn't work you can appeal to a different admin or even [[user:Jinya|Jinya]] herself. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] ([[User talk:Evilkolbot|talk]]) 06:30, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
** I'd just like to point out that it isn't a case of poor scripting, it's a case of inconsistent data, if the wiki followed the convention in all cases it would be fine. Either way, Spooky vampire vs Alphabet Giant is easy... something like Animated_nightstand_(Mahogany) there is no way to "guess" the correct capitalization Unless it is a well followed convention of Items in parenthesis Start with a capital again. I don't know how may things in the game have parenthesis in their names. Anyway, can't we reach some kind of compromise where I can correct pages that don't follow convention well? I propose that I first try Xxxxx_xxxx(Xxxx) then Xxxxx_Xxxx(Xxxx) then Xxxxx_xxxx(xxxx) and if all three don't find the right page I'll add a redirect from Xxxxx_xxxx(Xxxxx) to whatever it is. In any case, if the wiki were consistent, there would be no problem and if there is a problem, a redirect is clearly the best way to handle it since changing the actual page title screws up all pre existing wiki links, and changing mafia code screws up all prexisting uses on their side. Whats the issue with redirects anyway? --[[User:Paragon123|Paragon123]] ([[User talk:Paragon123|talk]]) 08:02, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
***no compromise needed. you're actively writing and debugging a script. it doesn't work. it's actually less work for you to keep a list of cross-references than it is to argue the toss here. or to use a different url that works. unlike the wiki both of those things are directly under your control. until i hear from other editors here that i am wrong i'll remain fixed in my opinion that this is not a good use of wiki resources. my answer is no more redirects. change your script. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] ([[User talk:Evilkolbot|talk]]) 08:11, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
****here's a thought. if you use the search link with the page name downshifted it will nearly always find the page. [http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Special:Search?search=knob%20goblin%20elite%20guard&go=Go] if it doesn't ''then'' you can add a redirect. it's what they're for. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] ([[User talk:Evilkolbot|talk]]) 10:39, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

==caching==

Just notifying "an admin" about problems noticed with the wiki - the "Random Page" button now just takes me to the Evil Cultist, over and over. --[[User:Lindia|Lindia]] 8:42, 31 August 2011
*Huh, interesting.  It sent me to the grimacite weightlifting belt page.  So it's presumably generating a random link only once per user/large time period.  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 15:00, 31 August 2011 (CEST)

Ah, got it.  Your comment to me was about the 2 redirect pages I added.  I just also proposed a sitewide addition that would make it easier for external programs (but not people) to find items by allowing them to link to pages using the item number too.  Searching via strings is notoriously awful, so that should be avoided if possible.  This is my first proposal here, but if that goes well, maybe we could propose that if any search fails, a page is returned saying 'did you mean?' with any item spelled the same but with different capitalization.'  The same return could strip out any HTML, or do a replacement of unusual characters, and the like.  --[[User:QVamp|QVamp]] 17:44, 10 August 2011 (CEST)


Sorry about deleting the info on Bagatelle talk page.

Please delete my kol.coldfront.net account, Robi207, or tell me how to do it myself.  --[[User:Robi207|Robi207]] 01:20, 14 July 2011 (CEST)
*that's a bit drastic. i'm sorry you feel that way. unfortunately i don't have the power to do that. you could contact [[User:Jinya|jinya]] since it's her wiki, or one of the coldfront admins, [[User:Mag|mag]], say. i don't see the need, though. if you wnt to walk away you just can. i'd be sorry to see you go. if you want to start afresh with another wiki identity you can, there's no lik between the two. is the idea of editing on the wiki so unbearable? we always need helpful contributors. why not stay? --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] 09:14, 14 July 2011 (CEST)


You're right.  I was just having a bad day, wasn't feeling very helpful, and the thing with Bagatelle pushed me over the edge.  --[[User:Robi207|Robi207]] 22:13, 14 July 2011 (CEST)

== The name "Evilkolbot" ==

I think Evilkolbot is one of the funniest account names I've seen on this wiki... and I wonder how the account owner came up with it. --[[User:Wrldwzrd89|Wrldwzrd89]] 01:08, 27 August 2011 (CEST)
*why thank you. i was thinking i'd like to write a bot from scratch, and created the account before i had any idea of what it would do. turned out i lacked inspiration. the name's pretty close to my RL name, although i don't remember why i picked it particularly. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] 09:04, 27 August 2011 (CEST)
**Suggestion, if you ever want to get around to trying that: 1. player makes wiki account, 2. player sends a blue/green message to the bot, 3. bot enables the wiki account. That might reduce the spam issue… or invite the spammers to go through the game, I don’t know. --[[User:Xyzzyn|Xyzzyn]] 12:11, 13 December 2011 (CET)

== Pre-emptive bans ==

I'm feeling a little uneasy about your new habit of preemptively banning accounts you think are would-be spammers.  Feels like thought crime mixed with racial profiling.  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 09:29, 7 October 2011 (CEST)
*as a matter of fact i was going to start a discussion on that very topic. i feel uneasy about them too. problem is that all the spammers need to make money is for the web crawlers to read a page with their link on it once. the longer the link is up the more likely that's going to happen. it's better all round if the spammage doesn't happen at all. i've tried to be as restrained as possible. i haven't banned people just because they have spamtastic names. i wouldn't ban [[User:eeQ43dyT]] just because that's "obviously" botted. i didn't ban [[Special:Contributions/Slotwin|slotwin]] even though the name set off alarm bells in my head. (note to self: check all slotwin's edits just in case.) seems we have at least two bots acting relatively in unison, though, or one bot that's programmed to add more than one user at once. i've only been banning pairs or more of users with names in a similar format (recently nameAnameB99) if the users were added in a relatively short space of time. i do still feel guilty, though, even in such obvious cases, especially since there's no way of appealing. beyond the obvious "no punishment without a crime" do you think i have been unfair? is the principal strong enough that it outweighs every other consideration? don't forget that the accounts i'm trying to preempt aren't people. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] 13:58, 7 October 2011 (CEST)
**For whatever my opinion is worth, I'm on the fence; I wouldn't want to see new editors turned away because their names look kind of spammer-y... but on the other hand, their names look REALLY spammer-y.  Maybe put something on the account creation page - "If you are a real person and not a spammer, the first thing you should do is [post "I am a real person" on your user page/write a haiku about fish and mail it to an Admin/clap your hands and wish upon a star] so you don't get preemptively banned. --[[User:Johnny Treehugger|Johnny Treehugger]] 16:24, 7 October 2011 (CEST)
**The banning decisions you've made so far all seem reasonable to me; certainly there's a clustering property to the spambots, and it makes sense to take advantage of that.  Still, I've been surprised many times seeing new user names that I thought for sure were going to end up being spambots turning out to be people making constructive edits, and I expect it's statistically inevitable that pre-emptive banning will eventually result in some mistakes.  It'd be nice to have some easy recourse for those people that doesn't turn them off editing.  Requiring a simple initial declaration/post in the vein that Johnny Treehugger describes above might indeed work: it could be made fun, would be low effort on all sides, and the spambots are likely aimed generically at wikis and unlikely to be tuned to such specific, arbitrary, and trivially changeable requirements (unless they're based on cheap human labour rather than scripts). --[[User:Fig bucket|Fig bucket]] 03:09, 8 October 2011 (CEST)
***A first post feels like something that can be scripted up.  A better blocker might be to require a captcha be entered on any user's first edit (or first N edits).  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 03:26, 8 October 2011 (CEST)
*so, three new accounts today. gottiebluntsrus and qwerty7up, probably not spam; cammie88dodson suspicious given the fondness of our spammer for the formulaic. still, just one, though. paired with carnie99lutwidge two minutes later they'd both be banned. benefit of the doubt. hopefuly we've got mod coverage for the weekend.
*any countermeasure we put in place has the effect of annoying the genuine and barely causing the evildoer to break stride. CAPCHAs are easily circumvented using unwitting dupes. requiring subsequent edits is too much work on our part to be unbottable. i think the system at the moment is fine. general tolerance and understanding combined with a one strike rule seem to be working mostly. if no one objects i'll continue to squish the twins and triplets. the universe will continue to work out as it should. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] 18:40, 8 October 2011 (CEST)

===candidates===

there have been more new user names that follow a pattern but that haven't shown their colours. if they all kick off at once we're in trouble.

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**Zo
**Nq
**Ka
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--[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] 13:59, 11 October 2011 (CEST)

* Is there any way to report a page / new account to a wiki admin in order to "flag" any of these spam attempts?
* Have any of the names shown up in a Google search to see if it's a specific culprit?--[[User:Erich|Erich]] 07:57, 13 December 2011 (CET)
**if you think we missed one, then  a talk page like this is a good idea. "pages for deletion" (whose exact name always escapes me)  would work, too, and there's always plain old "discussion".
**i did some research (welll, one page) and it seems that it takes the google spiders about four hours to pick up changes to the wiki. so as long as we delete them in that time we're good. i guess it's a scheduling thing, though.
**as far as identifying who is doing this and getting them to stop goes, well. it costs them nothing and there's a possibility of reward, getting a google boost, so no matter how good or bad we are at catching them it makes no odds. there's no incentive for them to stop. 
**and they're probably the wiki defacing wing of a criminal network that also deals in trafficking and donkey porn. this bit, though, what have they done? broken a terms of service? they're not scared. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] 08:45, 13 December 2011 (CET)
***for science, i looked at the text posted for once of the recent edits. there were three links on the page. they all point to polish language sites. the second link is for cheap flights and the third for interior design. the first link is for a web massaging company that claims only to bill its customers if they are in the top ten results on google. i wonder what that's about. forgive my language, but that's an asshole business model. i wonder what google will have to say. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] 13:57, 13 December 2011 (CET)

* WDeshawnReynoldsy
* EDeshawnReynoldsx
* CIrisJenseny
* MIrisJensenj
--[[User:Erich|Erich]] 02:43, 24 December 2011 (CET)

* StacyuyomkifyfiHallman
* Llucofdxbk
* Grace88bm
* Lyjdculmr
{{User:Erich/sig}} 19:59, 4 October 2012 (CEST)
*you make a very good point. however, rules is rules. editing of talk for spelling and grammar is strictly forbidden. −--[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] 21:02, 4 October 2012 (CEST)

===false positives===
Hmm, we're somewhat lucky that most spambot names stick pointless numbers in the middle, making them easy to identify.  I don't feel quite right about blocking "SheesleyLavenia" since it could more easily be a legitimate name.  (Unless there is some tell I'm not noticing) --[[User:Starwed|Starwed]] 20:35, 23 December 2011 (CET)
*i felt uneasy about that one, yes. the lack of numbers means nothing, though. i'm guessing these spammers don't homebrew, and they buy off-the-shelf shit-on-a-wiki software which is endlessly configurable. there's no player of that name. perhaps i was too hasty. should we unblock and see? --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] 22:18, 23 December 2011 (CET)
*I made an account about a month ago ([[User:Suiken|Suiken]]) which was subsequently blocked pretty soon after creation. I looked around, but couldn't find a way to directly contact you to get it unblocked (apparently email access was blocked too?). I feel like making this secondary account just to be able to tell you about a block on account I wanted to use primarily isn't really the proper approach to this, but I wasn't sure as to what options I had at that point. The block info was as follows:

The block was made by Evilkolbot. The reason given is Unacceptable username: see khamul.

Start of block: 06:55, 26 February 2012
Expiry of block: infinite
Intended blockee: Suiken
You can contact Evilkolbot or another administrator to discuss the block. You cannot use the 'e-mail this user' feature unless a valid e-mail address is specified in your account preferences and you have not been blocked from using it. Your current IP address is 71.59.143.142, and the block ID is #2238. Please include all above details in any queries you make.

I don't really understand why the name "Suiken" would have been unacceptable, or how it's related to this "khamul". I originally wanted to help with some of the spading efforts, though I changed my mind for the time being and decided to focus on building my character in KoL a bit more first. The account never made any edits (to my knowledge) of any pages, so could you unblock it?
I didn't really want to make this second account, as I'd rather use the name "Suiken", and I don't really have any intentions of using this account after this message (as I said, I didn't really know what other choices I had to let you know). ----[[User:Kizuken|Kizuken]]
*Unblocked.  Sorry about that.  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 08:28, 16 March 2012 (CET)
**Maybe the block message should give instructions for contacting wiki admins in-game, since any legit user of the wiki would be able to do that. --{{User:Club/sig}} 18:11, 16 March 2012 (CET)
**If my inconvenience helps out future legitimate users, I guess it's all good! Thanks though! ----[[User:Suiken|Suiken]] 01:02, 17 March 2012 (PST)

== cv6 ==

What does this mean?  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 22:18, 25 March 2012 (CEST)
*a bot has been creating user accounts which are a random combination of six pairs of consonant vowel. which is tough if your name is hitomi mifune or nicola padilo, but there have been hundreds. since they've not proved themselves spammers i have a feeling we're being used as a testbed for CAPTCHA cracking or just general MEDIAWIKI user creation. am i being too harsh? should i stop blocking them? --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] 00:43, 26 March 2012 (CEST)

== Answer to spam help request ==

Hi, at the [http://nethackwiki.com NetHackWiki], [http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Paxed Paxed] takes care of the technical side of things. (I'm very thankful.) Maybe you could contact him about anti-spam measures: ask paxed in #nethack on irc.freenode.net. One thing I do know about is a [http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/CAPNTHLA custom form of captcha that requires some elementary in-game knowledge]. Good luck fighting the spammers! --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 23:30, 31 May 2012 (CEST)

:Technically, we use [[mw:Extension:QuestyCaptcha]] to serve NetHack-specific questions. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 11:24, 1 June 2012 (CEST)
::That's what we're using right now; just need to add some more questions.  And maybe need to add it to the account creation. --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 11:29, 1 June 2012 (CEST)
:::so that's something for the coldfront admins. perhaps we should prepare some kol-related questions. they should definitely mention kol explicitly. i play tiles in NetHack so have to look up the answers. i'd prefer it if you could do the same in the wiki, although others may disagree. perhaps the player numbers of people with pages in the main space? and what happened to [[HotStuff]]? and it should definitely be on account creation, duh. 
--[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] 13:11, 1 June 2012 (CEST)

:Update: The only other automated spammer defences we use at NetHackWiki are some http rate limiting and ip blocking. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 01:11, 2 June 2012 (CEST)

:I still think you should make it so you can't make a new user account for a few days. It'll give you time to fix this without worrying about more of them, and it might throw off the spambot so that it goes elsewhere. {{User:Erich/sig}} 18:11, 2 June 2012 (CEST)
*having blocked umpteen accounts today, perhaps that's a good idea. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] 18:15, 2 June 2012 (CEST)

== Help ==

O' most vile and powerful Evilkolbot, the redirects based on the [[:Template:Pvp]] are not working due to the deletion of the [[PVP Fights]] redirect.  I have been unsuccessful in editing the template to reflect the new redirect, either due to lack of permission or not enough knowledge (or both).  Can you impart some of your wicked and sinful knowledge so that the problem may be fixed?  I am more than happy to do the work but I do not want to make it worse through my incompetence. The most lowly and woeful--[[User:Magered|MageRed]] 03:51, 3 June 2012 (CEST)
*i wrote a long answer but my handheld ate it. boo. lucky, though, because it was based on a misreading of your question. i'll have a look at the template and see if i can fix it. (strikes me you be being impatient. the template space is notoriously slow to update) --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] 13:00, 3 June 2012 (CEST)
**Could be that I was impatient, most maligned one.  When I attempted to change the template and utilize the "show preview" option, the changes to the template code would not be displayed.  The lascivious knowledge that you impart above indicates that I should have just saved the page to affect the changes?--[[User:Magered|MageRed]] 13:37, 3 June 2012 (CEST)
**#the changes to templates don't show up until they're saved
**#sometimes it takes a few minutes after you've saved even
**#links have to be cased exactly
**#it's "Extra '''PvP''' Fights"
**#you should never link to a redirect
**#if your direct link isn't working it's because you're not paying attention
**#don't ever move a redirect again if you're not an admin, it leaves behind a double redirect link which is bad
**#that is all. phew. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] 15:54, 3 June 2012 (CEST)
***Thanks Evilkolbot for the fix. I was really out of my depth trying to understand the template syntax. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 07:12, 9 June 2012 (CEST)

== Friend banned for no reason ==

My friend krazyyo42 was banned by you for having an "unacceptable username". Is there anything wrong in particular with his username that he should have rectified? Thanks --[[User:Echeese|Echeese]] 03:29, 21 June 2012 (CEST)
*It looks rather like a spambot generated name.  And possibly occurred in the midst of several spambot registrations.  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] 04:56, 21 June 2012 (CEST)
**what flargen said. and what i put at the top of this page. i am very sorry. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] 08:57, 21 June 2012 (CEST)
***It's all cool, just a casualty of war. Though, it's one that can be revived with a push of a button. Thanks for keeping the wiki spam-free --[[User:Echeese|Echeese]] 18:29, 21 June 2012 (CEST)

== html comments ==

You know the wiki shows html comments when you select to see page diff on a recent update? Just checking. --{{User:Club/sig}} 21:02, 30 October 2012 (CET)
*i did know that, yes. i havered between leaving it out in the open and leaving it out altogether. too bitter to do either. i apologise for any offence caused. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] 21:50, 30 October 2012 (CET)
**No skin off my back if you insult people, I just thought it a strange choice. --{{User:Club/sig}} 03:05, 31 October 2012 (CET)

== Spam names ==

Is there any way to view the recent changes page but filtered so the namespace of "User creation log" doesn't show? The spam names make it so that the recent changes are sometimes difficult to read. {{User:Erich/sig}} 16:32, 23 November 2012 (CET)
*i wondered that, yes. there may be a way in mediawiki, i don't know. quietust is your man for that sort of thing. other than that there's greasemonkey or somsuch. about which i know even less. question's out there now. maybe hod or afh could help out, idk. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] 18:12, 23 November 2012 (CET)

== Images to be moved ==

*[[:File:top.gif|top.gif]] - [[:File:faq_top.gif|otherimages/faq]] - [[:File:top.gif|otherimages/mclargehuge]]
I suggest moving it to [[:File:mclarge_top.gif|here]]
*[[:File:vmachine.gif|vmachine.gif]] - [[:File:davmachine.gif|otherimages/da]] - [[:File:vmachine.gif|otherimages]]
I don't know what to move it to, but as I have seen, conflicting names require all images to be moved, so that the [[TheKolWiki talk:Image use policy|page]] may link to it right. — [[User:Cool12309|Cool12309]] ([[User talk:Cool12309|talk]]) 03:27, 2 February 2013 (CET)

== Castle Lock ==

You locked the castle, how about unlocking? 
*02:10, 2009 October 24‎ Evilkolbot (Talk | contribs)‎ m . . (5,778 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Protected "[[The Castle in the Clouds in the Sky]]": no more references, ta [edit=sysop:move=sysop])
That probably should have never been done in the first place. It's like a shotgun for a mosquito problem. --{{User:Club/sig}} 19:00, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

== Fear of God^H^H^HAdmin ==

[[Camera On, James]] is having a slow-motion revert war over what looks to me to be a dubious ref. --{{User:Club/sig}} 17:48, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
*thanks for the heads up. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] ([[User talk:Evilkolbot|talk]]) 18:06, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

== reverts ==

What's with you undoing something and then undoing your undoing?  You've done that a lot lately.  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] ([[User talk:Flargen|talk]]) 18:24, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
*and it usually happens to be you. for which i apologise profusely. my mobile has a habit of finishing redrawing and then waiting until i move to click a link before drawing the rest of the page and moving everything down. which sometimes places a "rollback" link under my fat fat finger. which rolls back the edit without prompting me. i should be more patient, but it's one of those no matter how long you wait you should have waited longer situations. damned mobiles. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] ([[User talk:Evilkolbot|talk]]) 19:30, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

== new user page ==

http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php?title=User:Missdevotee&oldid=546547

Is that a standard template you're using? I think the PRE block is a bad idea. Also some people might be sensitive about rape. --{{User:Club/sig}} 04:31, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
*on the new user signup page there is a "write fifty words about yourself" section. by default this get copied to the user page. which is what you're reading. i skimmed quickly for html- and wiki-markup and links. very quickly. i checked that she (everyone on the internet is a fifty year old man who lives in his parents' basement, true, but she self-identifies as feminine) has a reasonably person-like web existence. ascended character, check. facebook page with personal content, check. the one thing i didn't do is read the text. and i don't want to. i'll search for rape references as i take out the formatting. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] ([[User talk:Evilkolbot|talk]]) 07:16, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
**it's text copied from blogs. that the text i checked appears on three apparently unconnected blogs bemuses me. keats and yeats would spin in their graves. i assume they have two. huh. or maybe i misunderstand "blog" and it really means "stuff other people wrote. why not? as far as any references to rape go. grapefruit is fine. she also uses the word as a verb to signify violence. it looks like metaphor to me. it's insensitive, sure, but everyday. my personal least favourite neologism is frape. the insensitive cheapening, belittling, of what should be a horrifying word is unsurprising but i refuse to use it. frappé is a much nicer word. to come back to the text in question, i think it's fine. she may not have read it. and what did you mean by PRE block? i can't find any markup at all. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] ([[User talk:Evilkolbot|talk]]) 07:49, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
***Just look at how the wiki renders the page.  There's a leading space at the start of a line.  Wiki automatically formats everything from there until the next carriage return in a pre tag.  I'll go fix it.  --[[User:Flargen|Flargen]] ([[User talk:Flargen|talk]]) 07:58, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
****good catch, sorry i missed it. the "spam email" hypothesis explains why it's posted on so many blogs. their witless procedural generation can be taken for genius with the right drugs.does it make her a spammer, though. check out her facebook page. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] ([[User talk:Evilkolbot|talk]]) 08:03, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
*****Reformatted it is easier to read, and I do notice an explicit reference to "[[wikipedia:DSM IV|DSMIV]]", so I'm going to vote human, not spammer, but serious issues. The "rape" described there does not look like a mere metaphor for violence. The paragraph starts talking about sex and ends talking about sex. I think it is all sex. --{{User:Club/sig}} 17:22, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

== image name conflict ==

Prediction: No one is going to notice your filename link in [[Established Standards]]. You need to put a comment in [[MediaWiki:Uploadtext]] where it will be seen by people uploading things. --{{User:Club/sig}} 18:20, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
*good call. I was trying to incorporate explicitly what people do for name clashes somewhere on the wiki. I have no idea myself. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] ([[User talk:Evilkolbot|talk]]) 19:43, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

== Blind-packed talk ==
Oh most maligned one, you reverted the [[Talk:Blind-packed capsule toy|talk page]] for the [[Blind-packed capsule toy]].  I was wondering why?  I am not married to it, I just want to know what I did wrong iot not do it again. YOS --[[User:Magered|MageRed]] ([[User talk:Magered|talk]]) 23:06, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
*and ninja'ed by you.  The speed of your malignancy is truly amazing.--[[User:Magered|MageRed]] ([[User talk:Magered|talk]]) 23:08, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
**Evil has a problem on his phone/fondleslab/whatever he uses that causes him to accidentally hit the revert button frequently. He's pretty good about undoing the bad reverts quickly. --{{User:Club/sig}} 04:31, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

== [[One Crazy Random Summer]] ==

Do you think it would be a good idea to merge the strategy information into the modifiers table? That change would make the table bigger, sure, but it would also solve the problem of the page needing a proper table. --[[User:Wrldwzrd89|Wrldwzrd89]] ([[User talk:Wrldwzrd89|talk]]) 23:27, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
*I do like your table. Thank you for doing the work. I have to say, though, that the functions of thee two tables are very different. The modifier one should list all modifiers with a detailed description of what they do. The strategy one should only list those that have an influence on gameplay, with a description of how to exploit the positive and get round the negative. So they should stay separate. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] ([[User talk:Evilkolbot|talk]]) 04:57, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
**Right then, I'll convert the strategy area into a table. That will make it easier to read, if nothing else. --[[User:Wrldwzrd89|Wrldwzrd89]] ([[User talk:Wrldwzrd89|talk]]) 21:35, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

== VYKEA Some Assembly Required ==

So i figured out how to make all the VYKEA Companions

I'm still struggling with how to code a page to be easily readable 

I made a google spread sheet that looks good but I have yet to feel satisfied with or save any table I've made using wiki tools \

[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dzMYeNhmaQ-i9ECSvT5zd2qT6hgHtWdrtgEeNcELYgg/edit#gid=0 VYKEA Some Assembly Required]

Let me know what you think.  I'll keep mashing my face in the code until someone (possibly me) makes something that looks good.

-Joy!

*looks good. 
*from reading the forums, though, the runes can be added to any companion and don't affect the choice of what you get.
*each companion does two things, you'll need to add both.
*can i ask that you'll make your casing consistent, all cells "Pascal Case", Proper case" or "lower case" but not mixed.
*wiki formatting is fiddly, true, but not really that scary.
*try [[Dreadsylvania Non-combat Table|this page]] for a template of how it works. 
*i can't do anything now because lunch is over, if you still need help at 21:00 GMT i'll be around then. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] ([[User talk:Evilkolbot|talk]]) 12:59, 6 November 2015 (UTC)


==Thanks==
Appreciate you cleaning up some of the references I added; especially the hobo clown one. I couldn't think of an appropriate wikipedia page to link to but that one works. --[[User:Nerdgasmic|Nerdgasmic]] ([[User talk:Nerdgasmic|talk]]) 23:02, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

==A Table==
*a table for my own use, although if you want to use it i won't mind.
*when you get assigned a shadow thing to search for, find it in the left column, and decide which zone to go to to get the other drops... 
*so, if you are assigned shadow bread, you might want venom, so go to forest village. --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] ([[User talk:Evilkolbot|talk]]) 16:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC)


{| cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" border="1px" class="sortable"
|- | style="background-color: #EFEFEF"
! Drop
! Zone
! Drop 2
! Drop 3
|- 
| shadow bread
| Forest Village
| shadow ice
|style="background-color: #FFFF00"| shadow venom
|- 
| shadow bread
| The Castle in the Clouds in the Sky
| shadow fluid
| shadow sausage
|- 
| shadow bread
| The Misspelled Cemetary
|style="background-color: #FFFF00"| shadow brick
| shadow stick
|- 
| shadow bread
| The Right Side of the Tracks
| shadow glass
| shadow skin
|- 
| shadow brick
| The Ancient Buried Pyramid
| shadow sausage
| shadow sinew
|- 
| shadow brick
| The Hidden City
| shadow nectar
| shadow sinew
|- 
| shadow brick
| The Misspelled Cemetary
| shadow bread
| shadow stick
|- 
| shadow flame
| Spookyraven Manor, Third Floor
| shadow sausage
|style="background-color: #FFFF00"| shadow venom
|- 
| shadow flame
| The Desert Beach
| shadow fluid
| shadow sinew
|- 
| shadow flame
| The Distant Woods
| shadow nectar
| shadow stick
|- 
| shadow fluid
| The 8-Bit Realm
| shadow glass
| shadow ice
|- 
| shadow fluid
| The Beanstalk
| shadow glass
| shadow nectar
|- 
| shadow fluid
| The Castle in the Clouds in the Sky
| shadow bread
| shadow sausage
|- 
| shadow fluid
| The Desert Beach
| shadow flame
| shadow sinew
|- 
| shadow glass
| The 8-Bit Realm
| shadow fluid
| shadow ice
|- 
| shadow glass
| The Beanstalk
| shadow fluid
| shadow nectar
|- 
| shadow glass
| The Right Side of the Tracks
| shadow bread
| shadow skin
|- 
| shadow ice
| Forest Village
| shadow bread
|style="background-color: #FFFF00"| shadow venom
|- 
| shadow ice
| Mt. McLargeHuge
| shadow skin
| shadow stick
|- 
| shadow ice
| The 8-Bit Realm
| shadow fluid
| shadow glass
|- 
| shadow nectar
| The Beanstalk
| shadow fluid
| shadow glass
|- 
| shadow nectar
| The Distant Woods
| shadow flame
| shadow stick
|- 
| shadow nectar
| The Hidden City
|style="background-color: #FFFF00"| shadow brick
| shadow sinew
|- 
| shadow sausage
| Spookyraven Manor, Third Floor
| shadow flame
|style="background-color: #FFFF00"| shadow venom
|- 
| shadow sausage
| The Ancient Buried Pyramid
|style="background-color: #FFFF00"| shadow brick
| shadow sinew
|- 
| shadow sausage
| The Castle in the Clouds in the Sky
| shadow bread
| shadow fluid
|- 
| shadow sausage
| The Nearby Plains
| shadow skin
|style="background-color: #FFFF00"| shadow venom
|- 
| shadow sinew
| The Ancient Buried Pyramid
|style="background-color: #FFFF00"| shadow brick
| shadow sausage
|- 
| shadow sinew
| The Desert Beach
| shadow flame
| shadow fluid
|- 
| shadow sinew
| The Hidden City
|style="background-color: #FFFF00"| shadow brick
| shadow nectar
|- 
| shadow skin
| Mt. McLargeHuge
| shadow ice
| shadow stick
|- 
| shadow skin
| The Nearby Plains
| shadow sausage
|style="background-color: #FFFF00"| shadow venom
|- 
| shadow skin
| The Right Side of the Tracks
| shadow bread
| shadow glass
|- 
| shadow stick
| Mt. McLargeHuge
| shadow ice
| shadow skin
|- 
| shadow stick
| The Distant Woods
| shadow flame
| shadow nectar
|- 
| shadow stick
| The Misspelled Cemetary
| shadow bread
|style="background-color: #FFFF00"| shadow brick
|- 
| shadow venom
| Forest Village
| shadow bread
| shadow ice
|- 
| shadow venom
| Spookyraven Manor, Third Floor
| shadow flame
| shadow sausage
|- 
| shadow venom
| The Nearby Plains
| shadow sausage
| shadow skin
|- 
|}

== copy/wish ==

I've been thinking about this recently and we really should modify the monster data template to include them as flags there. Also I should get round to making an edit bot to update things.

Heres the nowish list anyway of things that are copyable but not wishable. [[User:Discordance|Discordance]] ([[User talk:Discordance|talk]]) 21:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

*:good catch, thanks. the not wishable text appears in the notes. is that a part of the template? i looked for pages that linked to [[pocket wish]]. seems that your list is wanting the text anyway.  fancy firing up a bot? --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] ([[User talk:Evilkolbot|talk]]) 17:25, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

*[[spiny skelelton]]
*[[toothy sklelton]]
*[[gluttonous ghuol]]
*[[gaunt ghuol]]
*[[senile lihc]]
*[[slick lihc]]
*[[grave rober zmobie]]
*[[corpulent zobmie]]
*[[Normal hobo]]
*[[sewer gator]]
*[[giant zombie goldfish]]
*[[C. H. U. M.]]
*[[Hot hobo]]
*[[Cold hobo]]
*[[Stench hobo]]
*[[Spooky hobo]]
*[[Sleaze hobo]]
*[[C. H. U. M. chieftain]]
*[[acoustic electric eel]]
*[[Slime Tube monster]]
*[[monkey wrenchin' elf]]
*[[bolt-cuttin' elf]]
*[[propaganda-spewin' elf]]
*[[wire-crossin' elf]]
*[[Mesmerizing Penguin]]
*[[Undercover Penguin]]
*[[Black-and-White-Ops Penguin]]
*[[Cement Cobbler Penguin]]
*[[reanimated bat skeleton]]
*[[reanimated serpent skeleton]]
*[[reanimated baboon skeleton]]
*[[reanimated wyrm skeleton]]
*[[reanimated demon skeleton]]
*[[reanimated giant spider skeleton]]
*[[crate]]
*[[screambat]]
*[[modern zmobie]]
*[[dirty old lihc]]
*[[swarm of ghuol whelps]]
*[[big swarm of ghuol whelps]]
*[[giant swarm of ghuol whelps]]
*[[sexy sorority ghost]]
*[[sexy sorority skeleton]]
*[[sexy sorority vampire]]
*[[sexy sorority zombie]]
*[[sexy sorority werewolf]]
*[[creepy eye-stalk tentacle monster]]
*[[grouchy furry monster]]
*[[anesthesiologist bugbear]]
*[[angry cavebugbear]]
*[[N-space Virtual Assistant]]
*[[ninja snowman assassin]]
*[[oil slick]]
*[[oil tycoon]]
*[[oil baron]]
*[[oil cartel]]
*[[Claybender Sorcerer Ghost]]
*[[Dusken Raider Ghost]]
*[[Space Tourist Explorer Ghost]]
*[[Battlie Knight Ghost]]
*[[Whatsian Commando Ghost]]
*[[scout seal]]
*[[bulwark bull seal]]
*[[official seal]]
*[[spirit bedbug]]
*[[spirit pea]]
*[[spirit faucet]]
*[[Warbear Foot Soldier]]
*[[Possessed Can of Linguine-Os]]
*[[Frozen Bag of Tortellini]]
*[[Possessed Jar of Alphredo&trade;]]
*[[Box of Crafty Dinner]]
*[[Possessed Can of Creepy Pasta]]
*[[Warbear Officer]]
*[[High-Ranking Warbear Officer]]
*[[Copperhead Club bartender]]
*[[Mob Penguin Capo]]
*[[ninja dressed as a waiter]]
*[[waiter dressed as a ninja]]
*[[man with the red buttons]]
*[[red skeleton]]
*[[red butler]]
*[[Red Herring]]
*[[Red Snapper]]
*[[Red Fox]]
*[[lynyrd skinner]]
*[[fleet woodsman]]
*[[Blue Oyster cultist]]
*[[eagle]]
*[[Jefferson pilot]]
*[[fan dancer]]
*[[monstrous boiler]]
*[[space beast]]
*[[exo-suited miner]]
*[[semi-autonomous drill unit]]
*[[ambulatory robo-minecart]]
*[[warehouse guard]]
*[[warehouse janitor]]
*[[warehouse clerk]]
*[[Richard X]]
*[[drunk cowpoke]]
*[[surly gambler]]
*[[wannabe gunslinger]]
*[[cow cultist]]
*[[hired gun]]
*[[camp cook]]
*[[skeletal gunslinger]]
*[[restless ghost]]
*[[buzzard]]
*[[mountain lion]]
*[[grizzled bear]]
*[[diamondback rattler]]
*[[coal snake]]
*[[frontwinder]]
*[[caugr]]
*[[pyrobove]]
*[[spidercow]]
*[[moomy]]
*[[Cinco de Mayo reveler]]
*[[Source Agent]]
*[[Villainous Minion]]
*[[voiceless whisper]]
*[[silent scream]]
*[[mouthless murmur]]
*[[cheerless mime functionary]]
*[[cheerless mime scientist]]
*[[cheerless mime soldier]]
*[[cheerless mime vizier]]
*[[cheerless mime executive]]
*[[fantasy bandit]]
*[[fantasy ourk]]
*[[fantasy forest faerie]]
*[[swamp monster]]
*[[cursed villager]]
*[[spooky ghost]]
*[[mining grobold]]
*[[rubber bat]]
*[[quadfaerie]]
*[[druid plants]]
*[[flock of every birds]]
*[[plywood cultists]]
*[[barrow wraith]]
*[[regular thief]]
*[[swamp troll]]
*[[crypt creeper]]
*[[biker]]
*[["plain" girl]]
*[[jock]]
*[[party girl]]
*[[burnout]]
*[[basic lihc]]
*[[party skelteon]]
*[[magical fruit bat]]
*[[Brake-Operating Trainbot]]
*[[Track-Switching Trainbot]]
*[[Ping-Pong-Playing Trainbot]]
*[[Drink-Delivery Trainbot]]
*[[Luggage-Handling Trainbot]]
*[[Ticket-Checking Trainbot]]
*[[Table-Waiting Trainbot]]
*[[Wine-Pairing Trainbot]]
*[[Table-Bussing Trainbot]]
*[[Coal-Shoveling Trainbot]]
*[[Slag-Processing Trainbot]]
*[[Steam-Routing Trainbot]]
*[[wardrobe robot]]
*[[Crimbuccaneer privateer]]
*[[Crimbuccaneer new recruit]]
*[[Elf Guard convict]]
*[[Crimbuccaneer military school dropout]]
*[[Elf Guard conscript]]
*[[Elf Guard private]]
*[[Crimbuccaneer fruit plunderer]]
*[[Crimbuccaneer retiree]]
*[[Crimbuccaneer whalehunter]]
*[[Elf Guard steward]]
*[[Elf Guard desserter]]
*[[Elf Guard provisioner]]
*[[Crimbuccaneer freebooter]]
*[[Crimbuccaneer carpenter]]
*[[Crimbuccaneer scrimshander]]
*[[Elf Guard arctic seal]]
*[[Elf Guard armorer]]
*[[Elf Guard Red and White Beret]]
*[[Elf Guard strategist]]
*[[Elf Guard requisitions officer]]
*[[Elf Guard general]]
*[[Elf Guard fuel courier]]
*[[Elf Guard ordnance packer]]
*[[Elf Guard engineer]]
*[[Crimbuccaneer navigator]]
*[[Crimbuccaneer mudlark]]
*[[Crimbuccaneer vice-captain]]
*[[Crimbuccaneer lamplighter]]
*[[Crimbuccaneer bombjack]]
*[[Crimbuccaneer rigging rigger]]
*[[Crimbuccaneer barrrback]]
*[[Crimbuccaneer grognard]]
*[[Crimbuccaneer bar brawler]]
*[[Elf Guard sanitation officer]]
*[[Elf Guard chemist]]
*[[Elf Guard shore leave specialist]]