Talk:Snakefire in the grassfire

The only thing I've tried that seems to work is a shard of double-ice. But the smoking grass can be pickpocked and rave pickpocketed, so there's that.--Noskilz 07:33, 17 June 2012 (CEST)

• almost forgot - disintegration also works normally.--Noskilz 07:35, 17 June 2012 (CEST)
• Worth mentioning that only the first shard of double-ice used does significant damage, all subsequent ones (including a second funkslung simultaneously with the first) only do 1 pt. DaveK 11:23, 17 June 2012 (CEST)
  • That's probably related to the double-ice's effect changing the monster's element to cold... probably it works differently from "normal" combat items.--Octagon8 14:05, 18 June 2012 (CEST)

Can also drop something called a "hot egg" which is usable--Noskilz 07:50, 17 June 2012 (CEST)

• But yellow ray doesn't get it, so it's probably quite rare. *sigh* --KingBobson 07:53, 17 June 2012 (CEST)

• Pretty late in the game, but is it possible hot egg is a conditional because of its relation to a condition? maybe for example, more hot resist? Can someone test this out in the few minutes of content we have left? (I R dumb and spadeless none) Argus 02:32, 27 June 2012 (CEST)

Siphoned a zoodriver, so it's a beast.--Noskilz 07:57, 17 June 2012 (CEST)

725 advs with +150% item drop, one hot egg dropped in total. given it doesn't appear on a YR, i would think it's a conditional drop like melange. i also wonder if maybe it's one per account... that would be totally like jick. ;) --Techrat 08:02, 17 June 2012 (CEST)

• I got two eggs, the second one 40 turns after the first one. --Pedinor 10:33, 19 June 2012 (CEST)

At least at the moment, they are copyable (used a black box)--Noskilz 08:49, 17 June 2012 (CEST)

In case anyone wondered, frigidalmation does 1pt of damage per round against these things - but that seems to be the case for everything I've tried except for shards of double-ice, disintegration and firing a blue bottle-rocket. --Noskilz 09:17, 17 June 2012 (CEST)

Seems to be immune to spell damage (reduced to 1)? The fire axe works well, with a guaranteed 200 pts cold damage per hit. --Riznok 10:24, 17 June 2012 (CEST)

There have been reports on the forums of two hot eggs dropping at once. We should probably look into this. --KingBobson 10:39, 17 June 2012 (CEST)

So I have a question... what is this monster's weakness, if it has one? I've seen the strategies others have used, but is there a way to kill the snake at, for example, a lower level with limited access to skills and items (Ronin or Hardcore, for example)? Not everyone has access to things that would make it easy to beat. --TheNachomancer 11:26, 17 June 2012 (CEST)

Beating it to death with cold damage seems to be it, so stock up on freezerburned ice cubes. Jiggling a staff of the walk-in freezer also did some damage. Not much, though. --Johnny Treehugger 13:40, 17 June 2012 (CEST)

first hit message reference

• i don't get it. indians are, what exactly? stingy? constantly lied to and stolen from? help an aged brit out, would you? --Evilkolbot 13:58, 18 June 2012 (CEST)
  • Check out this phrase. --Fig bucket 14:50, 18 June 2012 (CEST)
  • thanks. That's what reference sections are for. --Evilkolbot 21:54, 18 June 2012 (CEST)

Critical hit?

"It crawls from your <ear> to your <ankle>, burning them both and everything in between."

• This attack seems to do significantly more damage. Is it ignoring resistances or something? --Itsatrap 09:22, 17 June 2012 (CEST)
• It's not a hot attack, which is odd. That would account for the high damage compared to the other attacks. —Yendor 11:50, 17 June 2012 (CEST)
  • is it really "<neck> to your <thigh>" or just "head to your foot"? --Evilkolbot 13:58, 18 June 2012 (CEST)
    • It's really a <lower back> message. —Yendor 05:53, 19 June 2012 (CEST)

I did 30 rounds with this monster and counted its messages twice (1 for first time, 2 for second). One attacked was blocked by my evil teddy, so only 29 hits.

burn	111111111222222222
cons	111111111111222222222222
ratt	11111112222222
crawls	12

I guess that confirms the crawling as crit. --Raijinili 18:57, 19 June 2012 (CEST)

Damage numbers: 113 110 104 110 112 99 112 108 101 108 114 104 110 115 106 109 111 109 111 113 100 103 107 98 104 110 115 109 101 (newline-delimited in source)

The crit was 111, which I think shows that it's just a normal not-hot attack (i.e. no bonus damage). I had 0 res, 2780Mus (Hero of the Half Shell), 33DR (says Mafia), 1025=1000DA (says Mafia), -100ML. I think damage will be demonstrated to be the normal formula. --Raijinili 19:03, 19 June 2012 (CEST)

Movie Reference

The whole encounter seems to be a reference to the movie "Snakes on a Plane" or at least it feels that way to me.

Bulletproof 7:45, 18 June 2012

That's an incredible stretch to get a very weak reference. There's no adventure text or anything else referring to the movie - no reference to "Snakes on a Plane" at all. --Pyren2 20:07, 20 June 2012 (CEST)

• The reference is not directly...referenced, but it could definitely be implied. They're not snakes on a plane, but they ARE snakes on the Plains. --Grogum 22:20, 20 June 2012 (CEST)
  • "Could be implied" doesn't make something a reference, and without an actual reference it's just speculation. --Itsatrap 23:05, 20 June 2012 (CEST)

Defense

I don't think the defense is 162. My buffed muscle is 170 and I can only land criticals. --Versusthemayor 09:54, 17 June 2012 (CEST)

• At 190 muscle, I hit every time. I'm assuming the defense is at least 176 or more. --Versusthemayor 10:20, 17 June 2012 (CEST)
• Mostly missing at 175 muscle, mostly hitting at 185 muscle. --Itsatrap 18:11, 17 June 2012 (CEST)
• Seem to be hitting consistently at 147 muscle with Lunging thrust-smack and eye of the stoat, normal attacks aren't hitting though --Muttonfingers 12:37, 19 June 2012 (CEST)

I have the Space Trip safety headphones on, and I'm not hitting at all at 136 muscle. Is it not affected by -ML? --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 20:26, 17 June 2012 (CEST).

Never mind, it's working now. I must've done something wrong. --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 21:42, 17 June 2012 (CEST)

Coldform

Seems to be weak to coldform, weapon does normal damage while in coldform - AvangionQ 16:03, 17 June 2012 (CEST)

Bonus cold weapon damage

Seems to be weak to bonus cold damage ... fire axe, ice-cold beer ring, glacial clock, etc ~ these do normal damage. - AvangionQ 16:03, 17 June 2012 (CEST)

Monster Level

Does anyone know if you get the monster's hit points above 1000, you can get an extra commendation for killing it?--Elbie 18:11, 17 June 2012 (CEST)

• How about, instead, boosting the shit out of your muscle and trying to one-shot it for 4 commendations? ~Erich ^t/_c 21:57, 17 June 2012 (CEST)
• Ok, I did just that, and hit it for 1500 damage. It only drops 3 commendations, doesn't scale, and only gave me +1 for the hat. So, it's not worth the muscle boost, or an HP boost. ~Erich ^t/_c 22:04, 17 June 2012 (CEST)

As of now, it seems Elbie's initial question still stands unanswered. (If this worked, and the formula is basically the same as for the brushfire, a possible but a lot less practical alternative method would be to heal the monster, which at least one item - the right DoD potion - lets you do.) Of academical interest is also if it would be possible to get 1-2 (2-3 with helmet) if you can somehow kill it doing 1-99 damage. (Stomping giving commendations might indicate no.)--Notsupposedtobehere 00:47, 20 June 2012 (CEST)

But the brushfires worked by giving you commendations based on how many digits were in your damage, with no correlation with HP. At 4 digits, I got 3 base commendations from the snake. I will go ahead and give it a 99% probability that boosting its HP to past 1k (can you even do that?) will not work. And there has yet to be any case where someone got <3 base commendations, via deleveling or whatnot. ~Erich ^t/_c 23:33, 20 June 2012 (CEST)

Combat item, offhand damage

The text on the page about only weapons doing damage is wrong. I've got a double-ice box dealing out cold to beat the band and combat items will deal substantial damage on the first use only, then do 1 damage per use thereafter. -Captain Video 02:04, 18 June 2012 (CEST)

• Looks like cold familiar damage works too. (Tested with Snow angel and ninja snowflake) --Theerf 05:15, 19 June 2012 (CEST)
  • Probably should change the page to show that only spells/combat items don't work. What about combat skills, e.g. shieldbutt? --Itsatrap 00:45, 20 June 2012 (CEST)

Well, the protection against some forms of cold damage is certainly... complicated. I have an obsession with seeing stuff "in effect" and used offensive joke with coldform just to see it not work. 40 damage. --Notsupposedtobehere 00:39, 20 June 2012 (CEST)

• So yeah, it's ... complicated. Spells seem to mostly not work. There are reports of some items working while others don't (I seem to remember a shard of double-ice working). I'm not sure if the report about Offensive Joke means it worked or it didn't. "40 damage" done? ignored? --Itsatrap 01:06, 20 June 2012 (CEST)
  • 40 damage done. --Notsupposedtobehere 01:31, 20 June 2012 (CEST)

Hot Egg drop rate

A lot of people in our clan seem to be getting the hot egg who have both the fire hat and axe equipped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stonecat (talk • contribs)

Correlation is not causation. A ton of people are using the helmet + axe because it's the fastest and most commendable way to kill them. It's not really proof of anything.--Toffile 16:08, 18 June 2012 (CEST)

250 turns with hat and axe and no egg. Hot Grass seems to be dropping at about 10% base rate over 500 turns.--Jirikki 21:42, 18 June 2012 (CEST)

I have close to 400 turns with no egg drop, with +190% items, fire helmet and axe. Just means a really low drop rate. edit: just got my first hot egg at over 600 advs and while running 250% +items, I bet it's just a 1% drop like a spice melange.--Uzziah 23:31, 18 June 2012 (CEST)

• wouldn't you expect 15 eggs over 600 turn at 2.5%? i know nothing about statistics. --Evilkolbot 00:17, 19 June 2012 (CEST)

• I wonder if the egg drop is based on the number of times you've fought the snakefire? --Riznok 05:52, 19 June 2012 (CEST)
  • If so, then the first 300-something Adventures aren't enough to trigger a drop. --Yatsufusa 05:56, 19 June 2012 (CEST)
    • I was thinking it might be in the ballpark of around 600 fights. --Riznok 06:01, 19 June 2012 (CEST)
      • Don't mean to be a bother, but most definitely not. I got one after 6 turns. Argus 07:07, 19 June 2012 (CEST)

• Other possibilities: Perhaps it's based on the total number of adventures you've spent in any of the brushfire areas. Or perhaps on the number of commendations you've earned. --Riznok 07:43, 19 June 2012 (CEST)
  • If Jick wanted the hot egg to be accessible only by the top farmers, he could have simply put it into the shop for commendations. Maybe the drop-chance is below 1%, making the drop equally (im-)possible for every kind of player. Also: I think this is how religions start... ;) --Yatsufusa 08:46, 19 June 2012 (CEST)
    • +items generally still affects such drop rates the same, so it's still more possible for the high-end players with access to the best gear and buffs. Sub-1% just makes it so everyone starts freaking out and positing a new crazy theory every time someone says they saw it to drop. --Flargen 09:43, 19 June 2012 (CEST)

• At this point I'm inclined to agree that it's nothing more than a < 1% conditional drop. I finally got one to drop, then I got another one around 100 adventures later. --Riznok 10:08, 20 June 2012 (CEST)

• I just got an egg with the following conditions: Item +52%; ML +39; Mus 271/160; Mys 170/138; Mox 122/108; HP 243/546; MP 119/255. I was carrying but no using a fire axe after realizing I did better with shieldbutt and coldform. Gear: Fireman's helmet; Brimstone Bludgeon; pilgrim shield; snailmail hauberk; Galapogosian Cuisses; plexiglass pocketwatch; fudgecycle; Ice-Cold Beer Ring. Familiar: Jack-in-the-Box with a brass crank handle. With that kill I had 1208 commendations in hand. The axe was borrowed, but I bought my own hat. Also, I had used probably 40 or more smoking grass and had 40 on hand. --Lumeria 04:17, 22 June 2012 (CEST)

• I went for ages without getting one, bought the FDKOL tattoo and one dropped the following day. Not sure if coincidence. --Muttonfingers 08:18, 23 June 2012 (CEST)
  • Most likely coincidence. I got an egg without buying a tattoo. --Ranix 01:17, 25 June 2012 (CEST)

Monster damage

The snakefires do base 1000-1200 damage, affected by DA and hot resistance and DR. They also do up to 200 more base damage (1200-1400) based on their attack minus your defense (mox, usually), so it's MAtk-PDef, min 0. Realistically, PDef>0, so the max is 199 more base damage (I think more ML might push this up; not sure)

So it's 1000 to 1200 + max(0, MAtk-PDef), then subtract DR, then multiply by DA factor and resistance factor, then round down, and that's the damage. --Raijinili 22:02, 19 June 2012 (CEST)