Talk:Master of the Surprising Fist

I'm guessing this improves your attack/removes the penalty for fighting unarmed. I'm getting the option to "Attack with your suprising fist" instead of the usual weaponless attack button. Lord kobel

• My guess is that it calculates your damage and defense as if you had a weapon and a shield equipped. Of course, the trick is figuring out what power weapon your Surprising Fist is equivalent to (and what power shield). I would guess 100, since it's a solid mid-range number that almost every Softcore-usable weapon from Mr. Store has had, but this is mere speculation. --Southwest 19:56, 16 August 2011 (CEST)

Does this activate Hero? --Darkwolf 23:48, 16 August 2011 (CEST)

the only effect I can see so far, is about 10 dmg added to my bare handed auto attacks. (Went from doing 47 phsyical dmg a round to 57 dmg a round, with the +30 kung fu buff and about 100 muscle. I did not see any defensive benifit or noticeable drop off in dmg taken. --Darkwolf 06:48, 17 August 2011 (CEST)

Summarizing a brief discussion in /hc about this: Possibly gives +21dam@L13, does NOT give you the equivalent of Hero, only fumbled once in 90 rounds, crits only do +1 extra damage, did the same damage to knob goblin chef as it did to scarab Beatles. (Thank you to Pyren for reporting on the results of experimentation.) --Aoi 11:01, 17 August 2011 (CEST)

If the guess is that this makes the game treat your bare hands as if you were wielding a weapon, has anyone tried using the DemonStar game in the Arcade to figure out the weapon power? --Phantomreader42 05:39, 18 August 2011 (CEST)

I used my now-debuffed self to go punch some bunnies while naked. 96 muscle, 0 ML, +39 damage from Kung Fu Fighting. No other effects besides the 4 Kung Fu intrinsics. Consistently hitting them for 73 damage, which seems to imply an extra +10 damage if my maths is correct. --Lizardking 17:07, 18 August 2011 (CEST)

• Oh, and no, I don't have any passive +damage skills permed either. --Lizardking 17:54, 18 August 2011 (CEST)
• Aaaand it was exactly 73 damage over 6 combats, so that probably rules out it being from weapon power (which would vary somewhat) --Lizardking 17:57, 18 August 2011 (CEST)