Talk:Master of the Surprising Fist
I'm guessing this improves your attack/removes the penalty for fighting unarmed. I'm getting the option to "Attack with your suprising fist" instead of the usual weaponless attack button. Lord kobel
- My guess is that it calculates your damage and defense as if you had a weapon and a shield equipped. Of course, the trick is figuring out what power weapon your Surprising Fist is equivalent to (and what power shield). I would guess 100, since it's a solid mid-range number that almost every Softcore-usable weapon from Mr. Store has had, but this is mere speculation. --Southwest 19:56, 16 August 2011 (CEST)
Does this activate Hero? --Darkwolf 23:48, 16 August 2011 (CEST)
the only effect I can see so far, is about 10 dmg added to my bare handed auto attacks. (Went from doing 47 phsyical dmg a round to 57 dmg a round, with the +30 kung fu buff and about 100 muscle. I did not see any defensive benifit or noticeable drop off in dmg taken. --Darkwolf 06:48, 17 August 2011 (CEST)
Summarizing a brief discussion in /hc about this: Possibly gives +21dam@L13, does NOT give you the equivalent of Hero, only fumbled once in 90 rounds, crits only do +1 extra damage, did the same damage to knob goblin chef as it did to scarab Beatles. (Thank you to Pyren for reporting on the results of experimentation.) --Aoi 11:01, 17 August 2011 (CEST)
If the guess is that this makes the game treat your bare hands as if you were wielding a weapon, has anyone tried using the DemonStar game in the Arcade to figure out the weapon power? --Phantomreader42 05:39, 18 August 2011 (CEST)
I used my now-debuffed self to go punch some bunnies while naked. 96 muscle, 0 ML, +39 damage from Kung Fu Fighting. No other effects besides the 4 Kung Fu intrinsics. Consistently hitting them for 73 damage, which seems to imply an extra +10 damage if my maths is correct. --Lizardking 17:07, 18 August 2011 (CEST)
- Oh, and no, I don't have any passive +damage skills permed either. --Lizardking 17:54, 18 August 2011 (CEST)
- Aaaand it was exactly 73 damage over 6 combats, so that probably rules out it being from weapon power (which would vary somewhat) --Lizardking 17:57, 18 August 2011 (CEST)
This is really quite disappointing... :( --Hollowleg 06:00, 19 August 2011 (CEST)
Could it be a to-hit bonus? Maybe it's just me, but I think I'm hitting things with defense higher than my Muscle way more often than usual without critting. Edir
Can you LTS with a surprising fist? How about shieldbutt? Given that the "shield" doesn't seem to count for hero, I'm guessing no on both counts, but it's worth checking. --Stannius 22:32, 19 August 2011 (CEST)
- Using LTS while unarmed is nothing new. Useful though. And you can't shieldbutt. --Lizardking 03:38, 20 August 2011 (CEST)
- Misread the dates, but it seems LTS has been usable while unarmed since September 2009. The more you know. --Lizardking 03:47, 20 August 2011 (CEST)
