Category talk:Group Monsters

What I find confusing is how a spell that hits 3 monsters can kill a group of size 20 in a single attack. Shouldn't there be 17 monsters left that have not been hit at all in this case? I know I have single hit swarms of ghouls, so this isn't the case.

Perhaps what is actually meant is that the spells damage is doubled (eg wave) or tripled (eg saucegeyser) and the entire group is hit by this damage. Would this be a more accurate description of how monster groups work? --RogerMexico 18:38, 5 January 2013 (CET)

• From a simple mathematical point of view, you do two or tree times the damage, and that's what I as a player want to know. The philosophy behind this is a little different than you seem to understand it.

1. Say a group of 3 monsters has 60 HP together. Your spell covers an area of 3 monsters and does 20 damage per field/monster. Every single monster would have only 20 HP and therefore die get beaten up and go home to his family where it lives happily ever after.
2. Now let's assume there is a group of only 2 monsters, but together they have 60 HP as well. Again, your spell covers an area of 3 monsters and does 20 damage per field/monster. Every single monster in this example would have 30 HP and therefore would have 10 HP left each, 20 HP total.
3. Next group, 200 monsters, 60 HP together. (Let's say kobolds or snotlings or a cloud of really angry butterflies.) Your spell does 20 damage per field but those monsters stand closer together, covering much less than 200 fields (because they are so small). The monsters in this example would have more of a shared health pool and loose 60 HP worth of monsters. Still lots of angry butterflies left to kick your ass.

I doubt a similar statement has ever been made by Jick, but it works for me nevertheless. Does this work for you? --Yatsufusa 21:27, 5 January 2013 (CET)

Sure, there are lots of explanations you can come up with that match how damage on group monsters works. My point was that saying "hits up to two (or three) monsters" does not match what happens.--RogerMexico 20:14, 3 February 2013 (CET)

You scared the rest of them off. Does that work for you?--Toffile 22:42, 3 February 2013 (CET)

You do realize that the statement you are replying also works as a reply to your reply, right?--RogerMexico (talk) 17:58, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

These pages state that monsters take "manifold damage" from certain attacks. Um, can we have that spelled out a little more, or links inserted to the page that gives details on this? It's not a common or unambiguous phrase.--Yunatwilight 19:42, 27 October 2011 (CEST)

• Where do you see that phase? wiktionary:manifold can mean "repeated", which would be accurate. Other senses are more common, "many and varied" is how I'd define it. The example in the notes of saucegeyser is the best explanation I can think of on the wiki. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 22:12, 27 October 2011 (CEST)
  • It shows up in the wording of Template:GroupMonster. It's a bit iffy in the use there, since as the sentence is constructed; it can either be read as taking manifold damage, or it deals damage manifold, They're two slightly different wordings that mean quite different things.--Toffile 02:32, 28 October 2011 (CEST)