Talk:Form of...Bird!

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Initial Thoughts

I must say that after one combat I got a skill that did damage and then healed me for about a third of the damage done. Possibly can do skill combos like the disco bandit. Though after that combat the skill disapeared--Pakrat 02:47, 1 June 2008 (CDT)

I'm fairly sure I got soem skill about giving my opponent the bird, and it did sleaze damage (was fighting a sleaze mob, so I did not see damage range). My guess is that attack, and the one that Pakrat saw, were from using one of the items found after combat. I used a tasty louse sometime before I attacked.Camperdave 03:02, 1 June 2008 (CDT)


Reading the forum mentions that. He ate an item and then gave the skill. For the note, the skill did spooky damage.--Pakrat 03:14, 1 June 2008 (CDT)

Some notes on the bird form:

  • Whether or not you get a roc feather depends on whether you use skills to defeat your enemy or whether you just use your beak to attack, I think. I've had instances where I did not get a feather.
  • Elemental enemies have a chance of dropping a bug of the same element. Each elemental bug eaten gives 1 use of that elemental skill.
  • Using the elemental skill to kill a majority of enemies while in the bird form (Say, killing 8 enemies with the sleaze attack and 7 with the physical attack) will get you an elemental glimmering feather when the buff runs out. These elemental feathers don't give adventure, they give effects, and use 1 spleen instead of 4.

--GoldS 04:55, 1 June 2008 (CDT)

  • What if your skill is blocked? (say, by the bonerdagon) Does it count in the feather tally?

(I did fight the bonerdagon in bird form but I lost count) --Obscure reference 19:46, 19 June 2008 (CDT)

I'm an accordion thief in bird-form, and I don't have the pickpocket skill -- but I do have Moxious Maneuver. --Greycat 13:56, 1 June 2008 (CDT)

Given the changed text for Pickpocket, isn't Look for Shiny Objects the pickpocketing thing, rather than a separate skill? Seems like it, since you look for shiny objects in their pocket. And attack with beak is probably just the normal attack, would be my guess. --Jimfromtx 15:10, 1 June 2008 (CDT)

After doing 45 adventures in bird form (3 gongs) and killing all combats with the talon attack, after each form, talking to the llama got me a glimmering roc feather (!!pipe) each time. --Xploshun 12.39, 2 June 2008 (CDT)

If you get too many non-combats, even if you use a bird attack in all of the combats, you will not get a feather. I had this happen twice, in every combat I used Talons and still no feather.*edit* I think that I figured out the issue. I was adventuring with the Friars and my muscle stat is such that each monster was killed with one shot. Because I got 3 NC I didn't get the requisite 15 attacks in. Possible solutions: Up the Monster levels, Decrease my muscle, Fight bigger monsters.-- Alice Dente 09:20, 2 June 2008 (CDT)

Partially correct. Wing Buffet will work where Talons don't. And, as far as I've seen, you can spam 15 wing buffets in a combat, then just beak the rest of the time and you're still getting a roc feather. As an addendum to that, it appears that you can override one thing with another, i.e. if you've done your pre-req for the raven feather, you can do a boatload of wing buffets and talons to get the roc feather instead. Needless to say, I'm a bit upset that I lost out on the raven feather, but at least I got a roc out of it. InvalidUser 18:17, 3 June 2008 (CDT)


So, uh according to their articles, glimmering raven feather comes from using Feast on Carrion, and glimmering buzzard feather from using The Statue Treatment. And while the elements (spooky and stench) technically match, it seems like thematically they're reversed. You see because buzzard=carrion and raven=perched on bust of pallas. I've seen some confirmation on talk pages, so I'm going to assume the reversal is KoL's not the wiki's.--Prestige 19:25, 2 June 2008 (CDT)

  • The 'reversal' is KoL's, but it's not much of a reversal if you read the descriptions. Ravens do eat carrion [which is kinda spooky], and the "Statue Treatment" isn't about perching on the statue as much as being stinky and crapping on the statue/opponent. Still makes sense from a narrative standpoint or whatever you kids are calling it nowadays. --Squi 21:59, 10 June 2008 (CDT)
    • OK, I concede that ravens eat carrion, but I still don't think buzzards are known for crapping on statues. --Prestige 22:13, 10 June 2008 (CDT)

Any chance of getting a GM script that keeps count of how many bird attacks you use per trip? I keep losing count and so end up spending an adventure in the mineshaft spamming the talon just to be safe. Would be nice if someone could help me avoid all that counting and thinking business. --DuckAndCower 11:20, 4 June 2008 (CDT)

  • This isn't really the place to be asking-- you'd have better luck contacting someone who actually does GM scripts, or asking on the forums. --TechSmurf 11:41, 4 June 2008 (CDT)


Can this effect be debuffed, like with the SGEEA? If so, what happens? Is Welcome Back still recieved?--Shademaster00 20:20, 5 June 2008 (CDT)

  • While it's been reported in the article that the eyedrops won't remove this effect, The Naughty Sorceress wipes it out - but you still get the return adventure: "The llama looks deep into your eyes, assessing you.

"It appears that you didn't really take advantage of your birdness during that journey. How will you ever learn to see things from differing perspectives if you refuse to embrace them?"" A shame, as I was keen on killing her as a bird(if you used enough combat skills before fighting her, maybe you'd still get a reward?) --Noskilz 21:32, 14 June 2008 (CDT)


In the rewards table, how about adding a column for "Total MP Required" between Prerequisite and Rewards? --Jef 12:32, 6 June 2008 (CDT)


I've had a few instances where the feathers do not drop after using the number of attack listed as required to trigger. --Gadlo 20 June 2008


I just ascended and my level 1 bird only has access to 'attack with your beak' and 'pickpocket' (aka look for shiny objects in the old combat form). Looks like it's the same for my lvl 2 bird as well. So it looks like some of the skills have level requirements. --TiCaudata 22 June 2008

  • Do you have enough MP for those skills? All bird skills vanish from the Combat Action Bar when you don't have enough MP to cast them. --Southwest 23:51, 22 June 2008 (CDT)
    • Just caught that myself as well. Nevermind all, I'm a moron... --TiCaudata 22 June 2008


Equipped wooden stakes will still give you vampire hearts while you are in birdform. --TiCaudata 22 June 2008

Outfit?

The image file for the avatar of the bird is "birdoutfit" or something like that. Does this mean that there is an outfit associated with form of bird? Who knows, the form of bird did unlock a new campground dwelling...--Shademaster00 20:22, 5 June 2008 (CDT)

Interestingly, you can wear other outfits while in bird form. The avatar image does not change, but you can shop in shops that require an outfit (knob lab, hippy fruit stand, etc.) This should probably be noted in the main article. --RogerMexico 07:40, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

  • Also, while wearing the harem girl disguise, the goblin king recognises you as such (even though you are the other kind of bird). Starker 05:31, 5 July 2008 (CDT)

Avatar

It only changes your avatar on your character page and stat bar (in non-compact mode). It does not change your avatar on your profile page - the one that other people can view. I couldn't come up with a concise way to say that to edit the article, though. --Squi 01:14, 7 June 2008 (CDT)

Consistency with Other Gong Forms

The mole and roach forms each have a separate page explaining the mechanic in-depth. For consistency's sake, the meat money of this article be moved to "Path of the Bird," or "Path of the Mole"/"Path of the Roach" should be merged with their effect pages. I'm rather indifferent between the options--the information certainly fits nicely on this page, and the mole table could be added easily to the mole effect, while the roach page would be large regardless of whether it's its own page or embedded within the effect page. Opinions? --Bagatelle 16:48, 7 June 2008 (CDT)

I've been conflicted about this myself. The mole/roach stuff seems bulky and "procedural" enough (requiring specific actions on specific turns) to truly warrant its own page, whereas the bird rewards can be made so compact (and can hypothetically be completed in one or two turns) that I don't mind them being on the Form page. I was hoping this would be capable of a recap like Worm Wood Done Quickly, but sadly the mechanics for the forms varies. Since I feel more strongly about keeping the Mole/Roach paths on their own pages, I think I'll have to side with creating a path page for the bird. --Flargen 16:56, 7 June 2008 (CDT)
While I agree that the way Bird works is different and fits better in this page than a "Path of the" page, it would be nice to have a redirect from Path of the Bird to here. --Squi 21:59, 10 June 2008 (CDT)

Feathers

  • should it be noted that getting roc feather has precedense over others? i did the statue treatment 5 times, but used vicious talon slash 15, and i got the roc feather instead of the buzzard —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dewhashish (talk • contribs) on 06 July 2008
    • How many repetitions did you do? I'd've assumed the result is random. --Bagatelle 21:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

Olfaction

Does Form of Bird not allow the usage of Transcendental Olfaction? I'm an Accordion Thief right now, but I swore I could use it in Bird Form when I was a Turtle Tamer last ascension... --Thehandofzarquon 14:30, 6 August 2008 (CDT)

  • You cannot Olfact while in birdform, but you can olfact first, then switch to birdform, and it will work fine. --YankaTexee 20:57, 1 September 2008 (CDT)

Combat Frequency

Does Bird form add +combat frequency modifier, and if so, how much? My initial impression is that it does, but I don't have enough depth of data yet. --YankaTexee 20:57, 1 September 2008 (CDT)

  • Birdform does NOT effect the combat rate. This was double-checked a few weeks ago in the airship.--QuantumNightmare 22:04, 1 September 2008 (CDT)

Wearing-off message?

I just experienced Birdform for the first time, and with three turns of the effect remaining, I saw "You hear strains of mellow music in the distance." at the end of a combat (between the stat gains and the Adventure Again link). I can't find any reference to this message anywhere - I assume it's just indicating that the effect is wearing off, but it seems unlikely that I'd be the first one to notice it. Has anybody else seen this? --Jasonharper 20:32, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

That's the new identification that the Strung-Up Quartet are playing :D. --Coyerre 20:36, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


I just had Birdform for the first time, and I used my first adventure AFTER Birdform at the Orcish Frat house. I was in the Frat Boy outfit during the "Make war, not.." quest. I did not start the war, or get anywhere close to doing it.

Instead of an adventure i would expect, a different message came up. Unfortunately, I thought it was a normal NCA, but when i clicked what i THOUGHT was "adventure again", it came up with this:

The llama looks deep into your eyes, assessing you.
"It appears that you didn't really take advantage of your birdness during that journey. How will you ever learn to see things from differing perspectives if you refuse to embrace them?"

I looked around the wiki, and could not find any refernce to this. Any ideas?

I Can Has Cheezeburger? 20:26, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone know the drop rates for the grub, twig, and moth? Moth is the one I am most interested in, and I can't seem to find the data anywhere.--Hacksaw 19:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

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