Talk:Jill-O-Lantern
During my next ascension, I'll take notes as to how much damage my Jill does. --sl1me 14:41, 23 April 2006 (CDT)
okay here is the data for day one of my crazy soft core run ...
why is a hard core chap like me running a softcore run ... mouse
error damn it all -- LoA 8/12
I included the amount of buff pounds that were added to the familar incase that helps. (example 7lbs - 5lbs fam item = a none buffed 2lbs jill when its sitting in my pet hut ) !=spooky *=fire 7lbs -5lbs passive skill Darth Pumpkin ... doing 4 (+4!) damage Darth Pumpkin ... doing 2 (+1!) damage Darth Pumpkin ... doing 3 (+3!) damage 15lbs - 10lbs added fam item Darth Pumpkin ... doing 8 (+9!) damage Darth Pumpkin ... doing 5 (+5!) damage Darth Pumpkin ... doing 7 (+8*) damage. 16lbs - 10 Darth Pumpkin ... doing 9 (+9*) damage Darth Pumpkin ... doing 8 (+9!) damage. 17lbs - 10 Darth Pumpkin ... doing 8 (+9!) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 4 (+5*) damage Darth Pumpkin ... doing 9 (+10*) damage Darth Pumpkin ... doing 6 (+6!) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 5 (+6*) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 7 (+7*) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 6 (+7!) damage. 22lbs -15lbs started casting empathy on myself Darth Pumpkin ... doing 8 (+8!) damage. 23lbs - 15 Darth Pumpkin .... doing 12 (+12*) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 11 (+11!) damage 18lbs - 10 -cough- forgot to recast buff Darth Pumpkin ... doing 6 (+7*) damage Darth Pumpkin ... doing 6 (+7!) damage there is more where that came from
day 2 data crap didnt take down the elemental info.
18lbs - 10 Darth Pumpkin ... doing 10 (+10) damage Darth Pumpkin ... doing 9 (+9) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 9 (+10) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 9 (+10) damage. 19lbs - 10 Darth Pumpkin ... doing 5 (+6) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 9 (+9) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 7 (+8) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 6 (+7) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 7 (+7) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 7 (+8) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 10 (+11) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 10 (+11) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 9 (+9) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 10 (+11) damage 21lbs -10 Darth Pumpkin ... doing 7 (+8) damage Darth Pumpkin ... doing 11 (+12) damage Darth Pumpkin ... doing 11 (+12) damage Darth Pumpkin ... doing 6 (+1) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 5 (+6) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 11 (+12) damage Darth Pumpkin ... doing 9 (+1) damage. 30lbs - 20 Darth Pumpkin ... doing 10 (+10) damage Darth Pumpkin ... doing 12 (+12) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 12 (+13) damage. Darth Pumpkin ... doing 12 (+12) damage
^= attacking a elemental resistant critter (example fire damage to a w imp (which on a completely unrelated note exactly what happened the first time hehe)) 27lbs - 15 Darth Pumpkin -Cough- ... doing 11 (+1*^) damage. Darth Pumpkin -Cough- ... doing 14 (+1*^) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- ... doing 12 (+13!) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- ... doing 7 (+1*^) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- ... doing 11 (+11!) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- ... doing 9 (+1*^) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- ... doing 13 (+13!) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- ... doing 14 (+15!) damage Lots of getting my arse handed to me today so only a few times did my jill get to take action.
you know the drill!!! 23lbs - 10 Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 7 (+1*^) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 12 (+1*^) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 10 (+11!) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 6 (+7!) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 8 (+9*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 11 (+11!) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 9 (+9*) damage 28lbs - 15 Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 11 (+12!) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 10 (+1*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 8 (+8*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 11 (+12!) damage
here is todays data set up 29lbs - 15 Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 12 (+13!) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 13 (+14!) damage. Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 15 (+15*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 12 (+26*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 13 (+28*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 12 (+12!) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 14 (+14!) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 12 (+13*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 1^ (+1!^) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 1^ (+30*) damage 24lbs -10 Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 7 (+14*) damage 25lbs - 10 Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 9 (+10*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 11 (+12*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 12 (+13*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 6 (+7!) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 8 (+8*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 11 (+12*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 13 (+14*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 13 (+13*) damage
It may also be worth noting that fire damage happened 31 times spooky 27. which isnt much of a stat differance. --Lord of Ants
25lbs - 10 Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 6 (+7*) damage 26lbs - 10 Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 12 (+12*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 12 (+12*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 10 (+11*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 14 (+14!) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 7 (+14*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 7 (+14*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 7 (+16*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 12 (+1!^) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 7 (+16*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 8 (+16*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 10 (+1!^) damage 27lbs - 10 Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 10 (+10*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 12 (+26!) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 10 (+22!) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 7 (+8*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 12 (+12*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 11 (+12*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 13 (+14!) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 10 (+10*) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 10 (+10!) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 7 (+7!) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 9 (+10!) damage Darth Pumpkin -Cough- shoots fiery beams from her eyes, doing 7 (+8*) damage
out of ronan today and for the first time ever. so my arse got kicked almost none the whole time. anywho that was todays info and it looks like hillion came up with a formula before i bricked him ha. so unless someone else says something i am not keeping notes on my jill any more -- LoA
So it looks like the Jill is doing about (weight/4) to (weight/2) normal damage, and doing the same damage +0 or +1 as either hot or spooky, with hot/spooky being a 50/50 chance. --Hellion 14:09, 17 August 2006 (CDT)
Since the Jill is known to be a cross between a volleyball and a lime, the formula for the lime's damage should apply. The lime is listed as doing damage within the range of (floor(0.5*(weight+5)) to (weight+2). Thus, for example, a 27-lb lime (or Jill) should do 16 to 29 damage. Your data shows a slightly lower range, at 14 to 27. At 26 pounds, the lime range should be 15-28; the data shows a range of 14 to 28. At 25 pounds, the range should be 15-27; the data shows a range of 13 to 27. This leads me to believe that the formula is actually floor(0.5*(weight+2)) to (weight+2); a more symmetrical, and therefore probably more likely, equation. In every case, the total damage is split equally between normal and elemental, with the extra point (when the total is odd) going to elemental. --Hellion 21:16, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
Updated Data
Used a Comma chameleon (I know I know) and emualted a Jill at several different weights.
- Pound 19: Rate: 99/454 (21.81%)
- Pound 20: Rate: 195/812 (24.01%)
- Pound 36: Rate: 154/593 (25.97%)
- Pound 37: Rate: 47/173 (27.17%)
Overall, the familiar was average a 25% attack rate. I used KolMafia, and ran this test in the Hole in the Sky. (spooky damage would therefore be indicated by drastically higher elemental damage.) Jill ran hot 312 times, spooky 194 times overall.--Foggy 17:04, 19 May 2008 (CDT)
