Talk:Knob Goblin Organ Grinder

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Pie Drops

If you get two boss-bits before getting a pie, does it make your next two pies badass, or is one boss wasted? --RavenBlack 16:37, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I came here because I thought this had been answered. I'll find out tomorrow! I beat the lihc boss in the Defiled Niche for part #1 of pie #2, then the Bonerdagon. Finished 10 turns, got badass pie. Out of turns, will make a pie tomorrow. --StorellaDeville 10:29, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

  • The second boss is wasted. The bosses work the same as all the other elemental organs. --RoyalTonberry 16:14, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Yep, 5 battles later (after rollover), I fought a harem girl, three harem guards, and a madam. Got throbbing organ pie. I don't understand how bosses are like elemental monsters in this. --StorellaDeville 22:20, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Is there a maximum amount of pies it drops in a day? --Lemon-claw 23:54, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I just had a badass pie drop after I fought an undead elbow macaroni. That monster isn't even a boss. --Lemon-claw 00:02, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

  • But you fought a boss sometime between the lass pie and that pie. That's all that matters. I've actually gotten a badass pie when the last boss I fought was on the preceeding day, and stopped adventuring before another pie dropped. So it seems there's a certain amount of "carry-over" between days. Not sure if it also works for elementals; might get to test that later tonight. --Flargen 00:08, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


I got a three shoo-fish pies in a row (not sequential adventures, but no other pies in between) without adventuring underwater after the first one. Something like 15 adventures underwater with the grinder (two pies dropped), 30 adventures underwater with another fam, then 50 adventures in the castle in the clouds in the sky with the grinder (3 more fish pies dropped). --RavenBlack 20:46, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

  • And another one 40ish adventures later. Maybe underwater pies are guaranteed like boss pies? Guess I'll find out tomorrow whether queued pies persist through rollover.
    • Queued pies do not persist through rollover. --RavenBlack 06:26, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
      • This appears to have changed on day 2 - 4 underwater adventures with the grinder, only one fish pie then it went to normal pies later. Maybe it was a bug. (also this means the rollover conjecture is untested again) --RavenBlack 14:46, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
        • Yes, it was a bug yesterday. When you got a fish in your grinder, it didn't ever clear up, and you were stuck with fish pies for the rest of the day. Fixed now. --DanceCommander6 19:05, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
  • I got a badass pie today from a boss (filthworm queen) I killed yesterday. Used the dude for 1 turn yesterday. Got the pie after 4 combats today. Then the regular sequence went into effect (ie next after 10 combats etc). --Exactor it 10:39, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I just got a badass pie from a corpulent zmobie. I had been running him when I defeated the ghuol boss, though. So defeating a boss-type alone is not a guarantee for a badass pie, though presumably what pie you get each time depends on what organ type is in the majority. I wasn't even running +ML at the time of the drop, by accident. --Flargen 04:23, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I got a spooky pie killing 1 spooky fairy (iirc, immediately after getting a standard pie) even though I was killing war hippies for most of the time. Next pie was normal after killing several hippies and several unaligned ducks.--Arbarbonif 05:51, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Added all the flavor text for different pies dropping, as well as the cold and spooky attacks. Curiously enough, the sea pie and boss pie have the same message as the normal, non-elemental pie. Also, when it comes to what gets dropped, having a shot of badass makes the pie badass regardless of the other components, and one shot of elemental followed by normal is enough to make the pie elemental. Haven't tested whether the sea overrides any of those, or how the pie behaves when it has an equal number of different element servings (two hot and one cold followed by normal produced hot, as logically expected). --DanceCommander6 10:44, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

  • So, one question is, if you beat a boss in an elemental area, such as Hobopolis, or the Cyrpt, would you get a badass pie, or the appropriate elemental one? --Jimfromtx 23:26, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
    • Read my post above. You get badass. --Flargen 08:52, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Adding information on how long making pies takes, with and without a stogie. Data collected regarding pie creation seems to suggest that when you make a pie not including boss/sea bits, it is irrelevant how many of each element parts went into the mix, the have an equal likelihood of being the end pie type. As an example: making a pie from 1 hot monster and 44 spooky monsters (with a stogie equipped) has a 50% chance of returning a hot pie, and a 50% chance of returning a spooky pie. Likewise, if you add more elements, you get more options - a pie including each element has a 20% chance of ending up as any given one of them. Normal seems to be overriden, like boss and sea overrides elements. Still in need of spading, more data would be helpful. More data definitely needed on boss vs. sea pie, one un-bugged pie showed sea and not boss - this may be a 50/50 again, or sea overriding boss. --DanceCommander6 18:47, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

It should also be noted that a sea pie results from fighting underwater, not from fighting an underwater monster - puttied or camera'd sea monsters just give ordinary elemental or plain ingredients. --RavenBlack 00:51, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

May need to examine if elemental pie types also come from the monster's elemental resistance. I just got a sleaze after combat message from a pygmy headhunter which is not sleaze aligned but is sleaze resistant. --cottonwoodstar 22:59, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Incorrect. The headhunter is a sleaze monster. --Flargen 00:33, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Meat Bonus

He doesn't seem to be a straight leprechaun. Fighting rotund ducks with panhandling and a 5 lb grinder w/ no other meat boosts (+10 ML), I averaged 453.6 meat (min of 389, max of 540 sample size of 8 combats) which is something like a 65+% meat boost (instead of 37%)--Arbarbonif 05:46, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

  • 23 adventures with no leprechaun against goth giants netted me an average of 562.5 meat. 32 adventures with a 35lb grinder (and everything else the same) against goth giants netted me an average of 793.1 meat. Additional meat of around 231. Expected additional meat with a leprechaun, 151.7 * 151.7% (coincidence! meat drop of a goth giant is identical to bonus of 35lb lep) = 230. So that's pretty much precisely as expected with a leprechaun. --RavenBlack 14:43, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
    • There are much better ways to spade meat drop bonuses than looking at averages, due to the way meat drops work. Sometimes it only takes a few adventures to distinguish between a few choices for +meat%. The base meat drop is rolled first, and then the bonus is applied to that roll. So if a monster only drops 41 values base (like a Goth Giant), it will only drop at most 41 values modified. It becomes very easy to tell what the boost% is based on what values you observe dropping. For example, a Goth Giant will never drop exactly 300 Meat at +205%, but it can at +200%. --RoyalTonberry 16:52, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Messages

So far I've gotten the following messages during combat:

"Gronald pulls a bone shard out of the organ grinder and stabs him for 9 damage, shouting "Stick that up yer Khyber, ya chav!"" (physical damage"

"Gronald says "You're in Barney now!" and scrapes all the grease off the bottom of his pie oven, then smears it on her for 9 damage." (sleaze damage)

"Gronald shouts "McIntyre!" and flicks some ash from his stogie at her, burning her for 8 damage." (hot damage)

"Gronald pulls an unidentifieable lump out of his organ grander. "Cor, that doesn't have Jimmy!" he whistles, then flings it at him for 10 damage." (stench damage)

Gronald pulls out a bit of cold shoulderbone that was stuck in his organ grinder. He flings it at him for 16 damage. (cold damage)

"pulls a bit of ectoplasm from his organ grinder and flings it at him for 12 damage." (spooky damage. the name didn't populate, maybe a small bug?)

And these at the end of combat:

"Gronald rummages through your defeated enemy's body for organs to grind. He holds up a little extra Meat. "Oi, guvna, 'ere's some extra Pie and Mash!" he says, winking."

"Gronald rummages around in his body, picking a few choice bits to put in his grinder."

"Gronald hands you a pie. "'Ave a bit of Becks and Dosh on this, mate," he says. You acquire an item: liver and let pie"

Damage seemed to be pretty close to his weight.--R00k 04:11, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I took my grinder to the arena. After 10 fights (scavenger hunts against the lime), he got a microwave stogie. The desription says "Helps your Organ Grinder Bake Pies Faster" and autosells for 75 meat.--R00k 04:23, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for all the info, adding it in as we speak.--Suship 04:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll second the weight is approximately equal to damage formula. Seems to always pick a double damage element if your opponent is elemental as well. Got pies in the gallery after 5 combats, in the friar's gate after 10 combats and in the bombed back to the stone age hippy camp after 16 combats. Pies seem to be element dependant are in Relnoir's display case. --Rimba 04:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Seems the message about grinding organs after combat ends changes if you are in an elemental zone. I adventured in the friar's copse, and instead of the one above, I got "Gronald grabs a bit of his insides, squealing something about burning his Longers and Lingers." I'll go to some of the other elemental areas and try to get those individual ones as well.--R00k 04:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Other elemental areas give these:

"Gronald shudders as he plunders it for organs to grind, chattering about how the upper story on his Gregory is standing up." (spooky)

"Gronald shivers as he rummages for grindable organs, muttering about how he'll catch his death of Boris." (cold)

"Gronald blushes a little as he rummages in his body for organs to grind. "My Hampton has a funny feeling about this one, mate," he says." (sleaze)

"Gronald holds his nose and says "This'un smells like Betty, guv!" has he picks some organs out of your opponent and tosses them into his grinder." (stench)

And last observation for now, he seems to be tuned. If you use him in an elemental area, he will use the element to do double damage on attacks--R00k 04:54, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

judging by the newest items I'd say it drops one regular pie, five elemental pies, an under the sea pie, and one boss (?) pie --Silent Knight 04:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

The drop message for the dead ligths pie is "Gronald shakes with fear as he hands you a spooky glowing pie. "I heard me dear ol' Gran when I looked at that pie, mate," he says, "and she's been Father Ted for years.""--R00k 05:11, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Possible reference: Chocobo's Dungeon 2 and Chocobo Racing both had a Goblin (Named "Goblin") that spoke identically to this familiar. --Mystia 06:26, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Rhyming Slang

I think this is a full list of the rhyming slang, at least from the messages on here: Khyber => Kkyher Pass => Ass

Barney => Barney Rubble => Trouble

McIntyre => Fire

Jimmy => Jimmy Cliff => Whiff

Pie and Mash => Cash

Becks and Dosh => Nosh

Betty => Betty Boo => Poo

Fireman's => Fireman's Hose => Nose

Peasy => Peas in the Pot => Hot

Gypsy Nell => Hell

Father Ted => Dead

Hampton => Hampton Wick => Prick

Jacksons => Jackson Pollocks => Bollocks

Boris => Boris the Bold => Cold

Taters => taters in the Mould => Cold

Brigham Young => Tongue

Tony Blair => Hair

Pitch and Toss => Boss

Charlie Drake => Steak

--Psly4mne 15:13, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

The Stench attack message

There are a couple of typos in it ("unidentifieable" and "organ grander"). Can someone confirm that these are typos on the part of the submitter, and not the message itself? Leaper 05:59, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

  • The typos are still there, it's not the submitter. Documentation is here: [1] --R00k 22:25, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Qualifying for badass pies

It might be useful to compile a list of encounters which make you qualify for badass pies. Thus far I have gotten them after fighting the Boss bat, Goblin king and Bonerdagon --Sambal 23:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Although the Booty Crab used to be considered a boss for pie purposes, today I just got the usual sleaze monster pie parts message.--Noskilz 20:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Until today, CLEESHed monsters qualified as bosses for pie purposes - they too have been removed and are now treated as just liver and let pie ingredients. --RavenBlack 00:46, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll start making a list in the notes for people to reference for badass pie acquisition, feel free to add to that list as it does differ from the other bosses category.--Sambal 03:13, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Don't forget hobopolis bosses and mother slime for the list. But since TPTB have been culling bosses left and right since this thing came out we may need to reconfirm. --Silent Knight 23:49, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Just fought Zombo, got a dead lights pie. Haven't checked Hodgman yet. -- Ruby Eyes 22:50, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I confirm. Just fought Frosty, and got the message for finding cold parts. Doesn't make sense, but that's the way it is.--R00k 07:47, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

The cyrpt minibosses are still in there, can anyone confirm this or have those been changed? I am 90 % sure I didn't get a boss message from my grinder last time I killed one.--Sambal 06:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Just got one from the Conjoined zmombie, having already converted all prior grinder boss kills into pies. So yeah they still work. --Flargen 04:39, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
  • All four were still giving the boss message ("... Pich and Toss.") as of a couple days ago. So yes, confirmation is definite. --Heliophage 15:31, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Skelter Butleton, the Butler Skeleton might seem bossy, but is just a spooky monster for pie purposes. --Noskilz 21:45, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Stella, the Turtle Poacher (Inner Sanctum) was sufficient for a bodass pie. So if the classes are balanced will the nemesis for all classes. Would be nice if verified and noted here, but I do think it is a very good assumption until then. --MadonKody 14:18, 11 February 2012 (CET)

Important monsters that are spaded to not qualify for badass pies

(Moved from main page --Eleron 14:00, 25 March 2012 (CEST))
(Augmented with new results --Greycat 16:51, 4 September 2012 (CEST))

Formatting Issues for End-of-Combat Messages

I've spoken with many people who are confused by the formatting on this page. The way the stuffing message and the pie acquisition message are grouped together under "after combat with hot-aligned monsters/bosses/whatever" is inaccurate--the stuffing one depends on what monster you just beat in your current combat, but the pie acquisition message doesn't--and I've heard from several people who have been led to incorrect assumptions. Perhaps the two sets of messages should each be separated into their own lists or tables, with a statement pointing readers to the "Notes" section for details on when/how the pies drop. Since it's quite a formatting job (and I'm not at all confident with handling tables on the wiki) I thought I'd put the idea out there to see what people think. --Heliophage 18:25, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

FaqDungeon bosses are Bosses in terms of pies. --Andyzero 07:06, 1 February 2013 (CET) If you mean video game bosses, I just killed one, a pie dropped, and it was elementally aligned, indicating that they are NOT pie-bosses. Something might have changed. --Blastphemist (talk) 18:10, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

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