Talk:Ninja pirate zombie robot

Anybody find any items that interact with the head? --Zafoquat 01:30, 3 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

What about Tasty fun good rice candy, a bottle of rum, a disembodied brain, and a vial of patchouli oil? --Unnatural20 14:41, 4 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

None of those work --Zafoquat 14:45, 4 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

What about combining them? Or, all four together with the skeleton parts? --Unnatural20 14:48, 4 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

are you guessing or hinting, cause ive heard other people mention these items in chat, but cant tinker out any items with them. I'd also recomend a cheap toaster as a possible option to use --Zafoquat 15:01, 4 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

Well, it has been done. Rick3t is the first person to have figured it out, and probably nedds a trophy.--Fireyflame 06:04, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

Rick3t is a multi of a Noblesse Oblige clan memeber, as stated in chat by a couple other NO members they've figured it sort of collectively. Thanks in large part to Bashy buying basically 8 of everything, they may or may not issue spoilers on the construction process but that won't be decided until they can ask Bashy since it was his contribution that lead to the discovery. --Veistran 14:32, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

For all we know, they don't know the exact recipe. If the message given when using the npzr head with all the items in your inventory didn't list all the items, they could've made one and still not know what items are neccesary, Jicks way of making sure the recipe isn't leaked easily...unlikely, yes, but possible. We're just gonna have to wait and see.--Cowdude101 19:45, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• We at N.O. know the exact recipe. :) --Ricket 05:09, 6 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• well, there goes my theory....

Come on give them some credit, they probably were documenting everything until it worked, and even if they didn't I can't imagine they didn't write down exactly how many of everything they had before they started working for just this eventuality. Would you want to tell someone "I made the NPZR, but I uh don't have a clue how?" --Veistran 11:48, 6 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

Revealing construction process

I think the members of the dev team have plenty of avenues to express their wishes that the recipe not be spoiled on the wiki. I don't think we need to reprint them here, if they are so adamant about it they can use any number of methods that will get them far more attention. --Veistran 12:52, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• Just to clarify since I kinda was unclear, by "here" I meant that it doesn't belong on the npzr page not that it doesn't belong on the wiki at all. --Veistran 14:26, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• Several members, including Xenophobe, Vida Londres and balam request that once the recipe for this item is created, it should not be spoiled on the wiki (or at least not straight away). They ask this due to the complexity of the familiar and the thought that went into it, as well as the fact it was designed to honour the clan's hard work in helping with the convention.
• While one's creativity and ingenuity are definitely factors that are involved with creating this familiar, certain other factors apply, such as wealth, meticulous knowledge of items in the game, etc. Circumstances such as consistent Ronin for speed ascenders make restricting spoilers unfair. If it is your view to not use these spoilers then do not access these pages. If you choose to use these spoilers, make sure you only use them for yourself, others are capable of coming here if they want. It is asked that despite the concerns for others; if you are willing please contribute here. Contributions can be made in such a way that the views of these fine people making the request above can still be honored.

For the time being, edits removing the Do not spoil banner will be reverted. Make your argument on the talk pages. The wiki only exists because of KoL, and if a member of the KoL development team requests something from us, we have to take such a request seriously. The justification given above for spoiling the process to make the familiar (wealth, etc) are NOT reasons to disrespect the development team. The process will eventually be spoiled; give it time. --Snickles 14:15, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• Funny... I thought this was a spoiler site. Furthermore, Xeno's request was as a player, not as an official of the game. Enough with the high horses. It's bad enough that it takes forever for this fool site to load. Being preached to about not spoiling a familiar just adds insult to injury. We went through the same BS with the Balloon trophy. Either this is an encyclopedia of all knowledge relating to KoL, or it's a waste of time and resources. If people want to figure something out for themselves, they won't come here. Quit pretending that this site is anything other that a giant compendium of spoilers. Mr. Blonde 16:05, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• That's right, if you don't want anyone spoilering it, you shouldn't even have this page exist, that contradict's the enitre purpose of the wiki. --Littlenicky40 16:52, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• I invited you to justify inclusion of the recipe. Niether of you did. Until another administrator says differently, the policy of the wiki is to avoid spoiling the recipe in the time immediately after discovery. If you dislike it, go to another web site. --Snickles 16:58, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• You need to back up your claim that this is official wiki policy to not spoil recipes. I've never heard that mentioned before. (Nor can I find it in a brief search.) --Starwed 17:49, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• I'm calling bullshit, Snickles. Justification has already been provided; namely: the existance of this website. Ever hear the Monty Python Cheese Shop skit? The KoLWiki without spoilers is the cheese shop without cheese. The arbitrary banning of spoilers on this familiar makes as much sense as deleting the recipe for the angry goat. Oh no! People will know to use anti-cheese! That's a spoiler! Get over yourself, or prove that you're right. The burden of proof is on you, not me. You're the one claiming that it is the official policy of a spoiler site to forbid spoilers. Mr. Blonde 20:23, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• I regret the use of the word policy. Obviously, a mistake on my part. My intention was to state that I agreed with the idea of withholding the information for a temporary period, until another administrator weighed in on the issue. Cheese and angry goats have nothing to do with this, and if you don't understand why spoiling NPZR creation is a more sensitive issue than spoiling older recipes... --Snickles 13:49, 6 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)
• Crap. Agreed with and was upholding, I should say. I'll try not to weasel out of my words too greatly. --Snickles 13:51, 6 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• To spoil something would require me to have knowledge of it. Until someone else who values keeping secrets less figures it out, spoilering it in the wiki is a moot point. Having said that, however, I find it paradoxical, even hypocritical, that one spoiler is not allowed and many other spoilers are. --Doppelheathen 17:20, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• I think we're justifying inclusion in that this is a spoiler site. I'm not exactly sure what more justification you need to spoil something on a spoil site, unless we're supposed to bribe you or something. Banjooie 17:30, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• The justification of including the entire formula is that this IS a spoiler site. Nothing more. Anyone comming here seeking the recipe to make the NPZR familiar knows full well that they are going to find spoilers. THAT is the justification. If people want to figure things out on their own, they don't use this site. I for one wish to know the formula since I've already spent over 750k meat on resources trying to figure out the formula. For some people, this is a trivial amount of meat, but for me it's a lot. I'm not a "power-farmer" and don't generate much income in the game beyond what I need to finish my current ascension run. "Banning" the formula from being posted is an afront to what the site stands for, and I for one am offended at the very idea of it. --Darxide 17:42, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• For those of you clamoring over "policy" here and there, all it's going to take is one person at any point in the history of a page to enter the recipe. Once it's in here, it's here. And once it -does- make it here, if it gets deleted thereafter it's pointless other than the semantics of "easy".... to argue that it's not "out". I wiki-banned someone yesterday for deleting the head recipe THREE TIMES, after I kept reverting that change. Hiding it once it's here does not make it go away. Once someone comes along with no qualms about spoiling it, it will be spoiled. So far the people who've found it are basking in their so-called "glory" and gloating about it. Don't worry. It'll get here - eventually. Until then, we're all still hunting it down. --jin 18:07, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• So, once its here its here, then why the banner asking to please not spoil it and view the discussion, if they come to the discussion, and its been stated once its spoiled its spoiled, what's the purpose of the banner? --Macman104 18:29, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)
• I would suggest the problem is with the banner and comments about not spoiling it encourage it not to be spoiled and suggest that this is the wikistance, which some that may not mind spoiling it may find objectionable. The arguement of this as a spoiler site is entirely coherent and reasonable, this is not the official fan site, a community center, or a dedicated forum board for discussion this is a site filled with spoilers that exists solely for the purpose of filling in people who come here to find something out.--Practitioner of Saucy Arts 18:33, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• The banner is there to perhaps delay the spoiling of it and allow some more people to feel e-penis++ longer. As far as I know we haven't locked the page yet, and once it goes in anywhere in any edit, people who pay attention can find it. Short of disabling all edits on the wiki, there's not really a way for us to PREVENT its coming out. It's just up to those who find it to tell us how. Quit complaining about a couple WORDS at the top of a page. --jin 19:30, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• The goddamn arrogance of people really pisses me off. This site is supposed to be a unbiased presentation of datum concerning the KoL game. Your opinions are supposed to be restricted to the discussion element of the within articles. And yet this spoiler banner clearly presents the non-spoilering position in this situation. And yet my edit to make it a neutral banner, encouraging both sides of this argument was reverted back to its previous form. It was a REQUEST not to spoil it...and I must reiterate the point they made by saying "IMMEDIETLY".... it’s been a few days; most of the hype is winding down. Unless you can present a logical argument as to why there should be no spoilers for this familiar other then out of respect for the KoL staff, then don’t edit unbiased posts. We are perfectly capable of both spoilering, and respecting the KoL staff.--Zafoquat 20:07, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• Braaaaainnnnnnnnnsss......... --Baggerschmakle 2-5-06

• RAWR!!!--D3115 00:09, 11 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• Continuing my previous statement, wouldn't conceiling the recipe contradict EVERY SINGLE PAGE on this website? the wiki gives spoilers so when we find it we should continue in that fashion.--Baggerschmakle 20:34, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• Would y'all quit bitching to "the wiki" about not spoilering? If you've got it, post it, but it seems to me you're bitchin' about something YOU have no control over. Noblesse Oblige and MAYBE NPZR are pretty much the only ones right now who know how it's made, and THEY are the ones not spoilering. Shut up already and figure it out. --jin 20:51, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• It's a Wiki. That means it's an OPEN environment. Hiding things because those who have in-game clout goes against the very nature of what a Wiki represents. --Krazedkris 21:14, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• As soon as I know the recipe, it is going to be put here. If that means people will keep the recipe from me, so be it. --Unnatural20 21:24, 5 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• It's a wiki and as such an open environment, but it's not YOUR wiki. Wikis work because there are sets of rules in place, different rules for different purpose wikis. Whether this is a plattform to include ALL spoilers from day one, or an environment to document COMMON (veteran player) knowledge, or an environment to act as a newbie manual, is up to no one other than the wiki's owner(s) - the people that set it up in the first place, developed the rules, pay for maintaining it (so we all benefit from it) and put in the most work, reviewing eveything. And just because a wiki is in general open to all doesn't mean that rulesets can be ignored (people are following the standards that are in place everyday in this wiki, and are no jackass about it even if they disagree with some of them) (for the most part anyway).
  I personally want the ninja pirate zombie robot information spoiled, or everytime I log on the computer hoping that the recipe has been posted somewhere, because I want one, but that's not the point. The info is going to leak anyway sooner or later, so there's no reason to piss the wiki admins off by consciously sabotaging THEIR wiki. If it was your wiki, you could be running it differently, but it isn't. I wouldn't be surprised to see the admins just lock those few pages like the strange leaflet one, or discard any further spoilers by deleting the page and setting up a new one - given the lack of respect for their status as wiki-owners. They're entitled.
  I don't need my familiar tomorrow (in oxycore right now anyways), I can wait a few days or weeks, can't you? --NewZorkBat 04:59, 6 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• More to the point, why is it that we can spoiler half the NPZR, the entire recipe for the head, but not the other half? What's so special about the body that every single precident in every other article gets overturned? Evil Tim 07:38, 6 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• While I have managed to maintain a relatively neutral position on this topic until now (by way of silence) I thought I'd better chime in with a few words about this specific "non-spoiler policy".

This policy relates to this one item only and only to its recipe. This is not part of a general policy of not spoiling recipes, it is in fact the exception to the rule.

This policy is not permanent. Nobody is trying to say that this spoiler will be stricken from the wiki until ragnarok, it is simply an attempt to delay its' becoming general knowledge.

This is not unprecedented. The secret word in the strange leaflet is not spoiled here, by request of the game admins. The 99 red balloons trophy had its spoilers kept off this wiki for a short time, again by request. This occasionally happens with specific new content; that the game admins wish it to remain unspoilered for as long as possible.

The head can still be spoilered, as can every piece except for the final recipe. The head can be bought in the mall and untinkered, so preventing it from being spoilered here would be fruitless, also the entire recipe has been spoilered in the forum thread. According to Bashy's generous rant in the game forum (as I read it) there might be something else one has to do with the parts than simply have them in your inventory and use the head. Should this come about, you are welcome to spoiler additional uses of older items (not, however, posting "this is a piece of the NPZR").

It will happen eventually. As soon as someone puts it up here, this whole thing will become immaterial. We all know this. This will happen, probably in the next two or three days.

--Yiab 09:56, 6 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• Very eloquent, Yiab. Those of you in outrage over the bastardization of the Wiki's mission are completely missing the point. There is no ban of information, just a temporary delay before that information is made public, in this instance. While I did not make that clear earlier, I thought the basic concept was understood. Get over it. Or better yet, put this kind of emotion into finding the process. --Snickles 13:49, 6 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• I apologize if this offends anyone. The proper use message is at this site. I only post this because keeping secrects from the public is not something I believe in. DO NOT GO HERE IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO KNOW. img261.imageshack.us/img261/2615/npzrzomg16me.png" --Pureshadow 18:21, 6 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• not working....maybe the gods are against it...

• there go my hopes of ever getting one...stupid pirate hook...at least I didn't spend all my meat figuring it out now, just to be thwarted.--Cowdude101 20:09, 6 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

And -that- is a perfect example of someone trying to mislead the masses by posting WRONG information. It does -not- require a pirate hook. That was determined two days ago. --jin 20:12, 6 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

Why not lock the page? Wtf 20:37, 6 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

I personally think that there are a couple things that shouldn't be spoilered ever. One is the leaflet code, and the other is this familiar. And maybe there are some more... but these things should just remain a secret except to people that know them. We should honour the wishes of the NPZR clan, Xeno, and Riff, and not spoil it.--CountD 13:24, 7 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

• From what I understood of what they said, the wishes of NPZR, Xeno, Riff and the rest was that it not be spoilered immediately. I don't think any of them had a problem with it being spoilered in less than a week, even.--Yiab 17:29, 7 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

Not spoiling the leaflet code? C'mon, anything that provides boosts to stats like that will always be spoiled. Anyway, anybody who has been posting to the official forums should have gotten a message by now that is spoilery. It shows what the head does when you have all the parts, which does not show how many of each you need. Anyway, the link is here: img263.imageshack.us/img263/73/npzrzomg16xp.png Just add the http:// to the front of it. Considering what this familiar does during battle (at least what we know so far), it's not really worth the meat to create if you are looking for a truly "useful" familiar. --Alric 00:15, 8 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

Well, for those who cannot wait any longer (and are actually still reading this discussion) the spoiler is at this site: http://www.zerokelvin.org/kol.html#npzr It's been there since Feb 6th, although I just noticed it today. --Alric 01:12, 9 February 2006 (Central Standard Time)

Stuff removed from the article

Some of the above numbers are incorrect. I believe it should be:

• 4 pine tars
• 2 spiked femurs
• ?4? skeleton bones
• It may use multiple brains
• The text upon making it said it used 2 clockwork claws, but I only noticed 1 leave my inventory.

Can someone verify these numbers?

Darxide says: I can verify that it only requires one (1) spiked femur and one (1) disembodied brain. This makes the likelihood of only needing one of each item pretty high. However, this is probably a bug and will most likely be fixed soon.

--Ricket 15:44, 19 March 2006 (CST)

• Well, as of yesterday, it still works with one of each.-Carados 23:58, 20 March 2006 (CST)

I can personally verify that the creation only requires one of each item. I put all multiples I had in my closet before the creation and successfully obtained the familiar upon use of the head. --Hylian Blademaster 03:44, 29 July 2006

Item Type

I notice there seems to be an edit war going as to whether this item's type is "familiar" or "familiar hatchling". Calling it a hatchling certainly seems reasonable to me, so I'm puzzled as to why that keeps getting reverted. What's that all about?

Also, I think we can archive all the discussion above on whether to spoil the recipe, as that issue's been dead for months now. -- Old Ned 06:39, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

• Just view the in-game description. Prob solved. Crisis averted. --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 08:15, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

Notes

Was the descriptive text about Chrono cracking the formula removed because it was inaccurate, or for some other reason? If it's accurate I see no reason not to include it. --Orbrisa 19:38, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

• I'm not sure. I'd say keep it.--Dehstil (t|c) 19:54, 6 August 2006 (CDT)
• The text about me using NO's mall buyouts to "partly figure it out" are inaccurate. If you really want to know, I used various item databases to find what items would fit, and worked from there. --Chrono Mage 20:43, 6 August 2006 (CDT)
  • Okay. If it's not accurate, I (obviously) have no problem with its removal. Thanks for clearing that up. --Orbrisa 12:41, 7 August 2006 (CDT)

Tradable?

Does anybody know when and why it became untradable? I found this picture in an old thread on the forums, and the description doesn't mention "Cannot be traded". --Ion42 16:16, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

There's more than one flag that prevents trading. The familiar was always untradable from the start, it just didn't always say so. I think there are a few other items that were "fixed" recently as well so that they now say cannot be traded. --Crowther 18:00, 14 August 2006 (CDT)

Currently Impossible to Determine?

This doesn't make sense, how would it be impossible to determine the plural form? --Damuna 21:09, 23 September 2006 (CDT)

It's impossible to determine the plural because it's non-tradeable and you can only have one of them.--Jubbers 21:29, 23 September 2006 (CDT)

Is there something stopping you from having more than one? It's not a quest item, and that means you could ascend and get the parts which are only available once per ascension again, and make another. If it really is impossible to get another, I would like an explanation of why it is impossible. --Damuna 21:56, 23 September 2006 (CDT)

• See Template Talk:Plural for a full list of ways you can get an item's plural form. None of them work on the ninja pirate zombie robot - can't be traded, can't be made using any recipe, can't be obtained via untinkering, can't be pulverized, and can't be autosold. Using a ninja pirate zombie robot head only ever produces one ninja pirate zombie robot at a time. --Quietust 22:59, 23 September 2006 (CDT)

I believe the idea Damuna is trying to get across is to make Two heads, and use them each on different ascensions to get the hatchling, without turning them into familiars. In this way you have two hatchlings, and could get a plural from them. For example, we have a list of people with more than two of them in their DC. All they have to do is pull two of them out and check it!--Galapagos James 02:21, 24 September 2006 (CDT)

Unfortunately, pulling multiple items out of your DC doesn't tell you the plural form. ie. you aquire gibson (2) (not plural form) instead of you aquire 2 carlisles (plural form) --Jubbers 03:30, 24 September 2006 (CDT)

speculation, possible relation to name origin?

quoted from the mdk2 wikipedia page:

Doctor Hawkins: He now lives once again with content for his life, and his genius is proven, so he moves back to his original project, "Atomic Robot Zombie Men!"

Thats two out of four of the name, and also four words. Coincidence or fact. --Myst44 13:41, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

• Coincidence, definitely. --Evilkolbot 13:52, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

Cheap Toaster ?

Does the Cheap Toaster have to be in your inventory, or can it be plugged in at your campsite? --Sbiedkol 11:34, 13 June 2008 (CDT)

It has to be in your inventory. --Shademaster00 11:06, 11 August 2008 (CDT)