Talk:Paper strips

I initially thought that the "careful" tear was supposed to be the beginning / end of the whole strip, but it's just like any other tear. --MachinShin 10:54, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I have gotten three strips of paper using the Club of the five seasons instead of my epic weapon. Level ~14. Spent close to 30 adventures. --Proto Fan 16:59, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

broken link

The word "image" in "...reveal the password to the Big Door by matching image edges" links to images.shalmirane.net/games/paper_strips_sort.jpeg, but this page no longer exists.--Soriah 00:47, 17 September 2011 (CEST)

epic quest fail

• so, i got eight strips in order, now what? and where would that information be/go on the wiki? --Evilkolbot 22:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Oh come on now. Just look around a bit more. It's staring you in the face, really. --Flargen 22:11, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
    • thanks. no, really. --Evilkolbot 22:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
      • the big door page is where i'd expect to see it and that's no use. is there some point to this deliberate obtuseness? did i miss a riff memo? --Evilkolbot 22:18, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
        • was that so hard? --Evilkolbot 22:30, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
          • Congratuations, you figured it out by yourself like the rest of us did. One of these days, you'll even cross the street all by yourself! But not right now. That's too dangerous still. As far as your scripting thought below goes, I'd imagine that mafia will eventually have an automatic solver built into it. --Flargen 23:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
            • you're right, in that while i haven't been struck by a moving vehicle for a very long time indeed, my mild inability to choose what i pay attention to (would that inability be a deficit, i wonder?) regularly causes more heart-racing than would be recommended for a man of my age.
            • people who run amateur code that they can't be bothered to read deserve everything they get. if someone trusted does something untrustworthy to the main tree of mafia and all your meat and items get snaffled, who can you sue? --Evilkolbot 11:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

1. can still be done while falling down drunk
2. i am totally scripting that so i never have to do it again. --Evilkolbot 22:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

• I actually added that to the LEW quest page. Thought I mentioned it here last night, but I guess I forgot. The entire cave can actually be done drunk...you don't actually need to own the strips to see what words each strip has. (sshhh)--Toffile 23:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Oh, nice. A dusty bottle style thing? Nice idea. --Flargen 23:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
    • continuing the idea that you could always do the whole thing drunk and in one adventure. awesome. i have a feeling, though, that they'll implement something along the lines of "you're just guessing, now, aren't you" if you don't have eight pieces. easier than randomising the item ids. --Evilkolbot 11:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
      • They apparently did that sometime last afternoon/night.--Toffile 12:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
    • I've just tried and instead of the item description I have "You don't have one of those to look at. Stop snooping!" and no strip drawing. --Foman38 18:06, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

So if you were doing this thing in one adventure, would using a brute-force password guesser be feasible? Anyone know where I could get such a password guesser?--Qbr12 05:14, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

• If you want to get banned for submitting 125 billion server requests, then sure.--Toffile 05:18, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

i suck at maths

• the maths looks wrong. 28 seems a bit high for the number of elements that have to be permed. you have nine slots (ends count as one each) and a choice of ten things to put in them. they have to be in the exact order, so no need to divide by the number of internal permutations. i make that 10! or a mere 3.6m choices. but, then again, i suck at maths. --Evilkolbot 10:51, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
  • That's actually a count of the words listed in the "Possible Words". Regardless, the total amount of combinations is wrong.--Toffile 13:55, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
    • ok, maybe i just suck. 1 in 40k (8!) is the number of combinations of the words if you know alkl of them but not the order. 1 in 3.6m (10!) is the total number of different possible strips. 1 in 125bn (28! / 20!) is the total number of possible combinations of the 28 key words that make up a password. which was what was on the page before my brain fart became catching. or is there something else i'm missing? --Evilkolbot 19:28, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
      • You're just not understanding combinations.--Toffile 22:28, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
        • i know i studied it over twenty-five years ago, but what is it i'm not getting? choose eight from twenty-eight is 28*27*26*25*24*23*22*21, or 28! / 20!, which is ~125bn. where does 3.1m come from? please remember to type slowly so i can understand. --Evilkolbot 10:01, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
• For the record, I also see it as (28!/20!) when you want to know how many total passwords are possible using 8 non-repeated elements out of a set of 28. That's P(28,8), which is ~125 billion. You get 3.1 million when you do C(28,8) which is completely incorrect, because the order of words matter. There IS 3.1 million different sets of words that can be used to make a password, but then each of those has 8! different ways of having the words arranged, thus you get 28!/20! and 125 billion different distinct passwords. Permutations not combinations are what is required. --Lordebon 13:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
  • D'oh, yeah. I forgot, order is important. My mistake. Too used to dealing with probabilities of types.--Toffile 14:37, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
    • Hehe, I have a book on probability and how it's handled in the human brain that is a pretty interesting read. People that teach the stuff still get it wrong regularly, that's how anti-intuitive it is. --Lordebon 16:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)