Talk:Plastic pumpkin bucket

Interesting side note, exactly 15 people manages to equip this before it was fixed in HC before Xenophobe changed it. Not sure i fit belongs on-page though.

Hmm. This still seems slightly buggy.

"You're fighting a bookbat
You failed to hit the monster.
You win the fight!
Krieger holds out the plastic pumpkin bucket, hoping for extra goodies.
Krieger smiles in a disturbing manner."

...so, um, it just died? Shouldn't there be, eh, damage or something there? ;) --Andemon 02:48, 1 October 2006 (CDT)

With a 40 pound CPM I am getting between 40-70 damage per attack when it attacks. Taking into account the doubling of elemental damage I would speculate a range of 50-100% of weight. I'll do some more testing though. --J12601 12:23, 1 October 2006 (CDT)

• Did some more testing. Spent a few adventures at the peak. Here are the results:
  • Combat turns - 76: no attack - 46, attack - 30. Attack rate appears to be roughly 40%
    • My damage range on those attacks was from 40-76 using a 40lb CPM. Average attack was 57.4. Keeping in mind the doubling of the elemental damage, the range appears to be roughly weight*(.5 - 1). Assuming that I will eventually get a 100% attack (I only got 1 50% attack in the 30 attacks) it seems pretty safe to assume that is the correct range. --J12601 13:05, 1 October 2006 (CDT)
      • 6 attacks later my CPM attacked for 80 damage (at 40 pounds) so I think the half-to-full weight damage range is right.--J12601 13:26, 1 October 2006 (CDT)
        • Have you experimented with familiars at any other weights? I think it's worth doing this before we make any conclusions. Perhaps the damage is weight-independent. --Buttons 13:39, 1 October 2006 (CDT)
          • I just used it with a 32 pound Pet Rock. Got 18 damage against a non-elemental foe. Don't have many data points, but they were all within the expected range, and much lower than my 50 pound ADD could hit. Mr. Blonde 03:33, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
          • I'm out of adventures for the day on the account which has it, and ronin restrictions mean no sending and getting it back :( I may try it a bit tomorrow with some different familiars if I can get my leveling done quickly enough. --J12601 14:11, 1 October 2006 (CDT)
• My last set of adventures at the peak today had given me 22:8 in favor of non-action during combat turns, so I'll lower the rate to 30-40%. Hopefully someone else will be keeping track of how often it works.--J12601 15:34, 1 October 2006 (CDT)

Is it just me, or does the "<name> tricks your opponent into smelling your feet." message refer to the "Trick or treat, smell my feet, give me something good to eat" rhyme? --Shima 12:54, 1 October 2006 (CDT)

After 20+ combats in the airship, it seems rather safe to say that this only allows non-combat familiars the ability to attack against elemental monsters. Which is still quite good since it means snow queens now go down really easy with a heavy familiar. --J12601 13:39, 1 October 2006 (CDT)

Man, oh, man. I can't wait for my latest check to clear, so I can get me one of these. ^_^ Even if my favorite familiar (ADD) is a somewhat-less-than-optimal choice with this one. --Bork 14:47, 1 October 2006 (CDT)

Just had to post this; it works in addition to a combat familiar's normal attacks. I was fighting at the Friar's Gate with my Sleazy Gravy Fairy, and got this result on a demoninja:

• "You club him like there's no tomorrow, doing 56 damage. KERBLAM! POW! BAM! BIFF! KAPOW! BOOF! BARF! KAPOW!
  Candy (and her strangers) kicks your opponent in the shin (or shin-analogue) with her clear plastic high-heels, for 32 damage.
  Candy (and her strangers) sneaks around behind your opponent and pulls down his pants, embarrassing him for 40 damage."

Fun for girls and boys! -Terion 16:04, 1 October 2006 (CDT)

On the KoL forums, Mr. Skullhead says there are 25 attack messages for the bucket, which would match with 5 messages for each element.--Hawksmoor 17:04, 1 October 2006 (CDT)

Judging by what I've read, it looks like the bucket does sleaze against hot, hot against cold, cold against stench, stench against spooky, and spooky against sleaze, whereas the scroll of A.F.U.E. went the other way around the pentagon. Is this consistent with what everyone else is seeing? --Buttons 17:47, 1 October 2006 (CDT)

• No. While on the peak I was getting spooky or hot damage against all of the peaklings. In the event of an elemental opponent it chooses one of the two elements towards which the opponent is vulnerable. I added the "shouts 'Boo'" and "scary movies" attacks when I got them on the peak. --J12601 18:38, 1 October 2006 (CDT)

My Hovering Sombrero is 20 lbs with +5 with this bucket and +15 from spells. As a 40 lbs Sombrero he's doing up to 76 spooky damage in the Ice Peak. So what, he does half phisical damage or double elemental damage ? --Fernando Bono 10:20, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

Oh, this actually did damage to the Shadow; twice in a row, even. Makes that fight far too easy, I'd say. Seems pretty likely that it's not supposed to work there - they probably just overlooked it. -_- --Andemon 06:06, 4 October 2006 (CDT)

5 lbs. of Gravy Fairy

Does the added 5 lbs. of Gravy Fairy append the same "increased item drop message" for all familiars? Or does it vary from familiar-to-familiar like the lips, shanter/shatner, & maypole? --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 19:14, 1 October 2006 (CDT)

<name> holds out the plastic pumpkin bucket, hoping for extra goodies.

• I recall Mr. Skullhead putting something on the forums about them all getting the same message with it, as more custom messages (different for each familiar) per item means less chance of them introducing new familiars. So far I have only seen the "holds out..." message on all of the ones with which I have used it. --J12601 14:44, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

Reference Request

What is an "atomic wedgie"? --Club 18:36, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

• Links provided in the references. Huzzah! --J12601 19:33, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

Microwavin' Wit' Tony

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_tTi4Juz0U

the cold damage done by the frozen underwear could be a reference to this video --Mickey rat 19:34, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

• Like a number of the other plastic punkin' messages this is simply an old prank, though looking back at it through the lens of maturity I have no idea how you get people to put them on. Anyhopw the old prank involved freezing underpants and or bras. So this is likely simply a reference to the same thing. Also how the heck do you never hear about an atomic wedgie and get the humor in KoL, I mean wedgies and Atomic ones in particular are not only an aspect of growing up in the US they have been referenced in all manner of other vastly more popular entertainment. --Practitioner of Saucy Arts 20:11, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
  • This was one of the pranks my mother and her sorority sisters used to play on each other. I recall hearing the same story a few times during dinner about how the house had taken all of this one sisters underwear and put it in the freezer the night before she had a job interview. She was forced to wear a cold pair to the interview. Although these days I'm sure the choice would be to just go commando ne?--J12601
    • Commando just doesn't seem quite as bad, depending on what you were wearing, anyhow please try to sign your post J, you can do so by typing --~~ ~with out the space obviously. --Practitioner of Saucy Arts 23:28, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
      • Errr...I always sign my posts. The "Microwavin'" thing was not mine. Check IPs --J12601 06:30, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
        • PoSA wasn't referring to the original comment, but to your post 3 levels up from this one (ending with going commando), which you did indeed forget to sign. I've signed the original comment based on edit history. --Quietust 07:55, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

"how the heck do you never hear about an atomic wedgie and get the humor in KoL" wrote Practitioner of Saucy Arts. Well, I know what a wedgie is, but the atomic modifier was new to me. Maybe I don't get all of the jokes in KoL, but I get enough. TV and teen movie based references are likely lost on me. Also a lot of current music references. (Although I do get the TMBG ones.) I know the roguelike games, I know the Infocom games, I know the 8-bit games. One of my college friends used to run a MUD that the Icy Peak seems to duplicate exactly. Jick probably never played that MUD, but it just is such an obligatory thing to include. (Hence the name of the pirate's cove.) Are those references lost on you? Each of us comes to this with a different history. Part of the success of KoL is the breadth of pop culture that gets attention. --Club 12:54, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

• There is also this simple pair of facts to consider: ONE, not everyone who plays KOL is neccessarily American ... the web is global, ne? TWO, even within America, there's a whole range of subcultural differences. I, for one, know what a wedgie is ... but I didn't know what an atomic wedgie was, until reading it right here! Diversity ... ain't it grand? --Bork 15:29, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
  • The point I was trying to make is that as far as a thing its referenced pretty extensively through out all media. I can wholely accept the not everyone plays in America thing, though when a similar conversation popped up on the talk of the Wikipedia page you will notice people in Australia, Canada, and the UK were all familiar with it. This to me says as something to reference its extremely far reaching and hard to escape, and hence I'd expect someone to get this long before I would say expect someone in rural Italy to get TMBG, or references to web comics. Granted the whole comment was tongue in cheek and off the wall anyhow so don't take it too seriously.--Practitioner of Saucy Arts 18:17, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
    • I'm as American as can be. And while my significant other counts TMBG among her favorite bands ... I brely know they exist. I don't get those references at all. Nor, despite my country of origin and current residence, would I have fully gotten the atomic part, myself. This is a big, biiiiig world. There's far more to know than any one person can hope to encompass on their own; try not to look askance at someone who doesn'tknow something you consider basic information ... and maybe they will return the favor! ^_^ --Bork 18:26, 4 October 2006 (CDT)

• What Bork said. But I have to add "extensively through out all media" is laughable. If you said that about goes to 11, I might believe you. Might. Wedgies just don't happen that often in a lot of media. --Club 19:05, 4 October 2006 (CDT)

Clutter

How long will clutter concerning bugs that existed but have since been corrected be left up on this? I'm all for leaving up till they have been corrected but at what point does the +5 temporarily didn't work, or some people were able to equip this become something we take off. See also a similar discussion I initiated for no longer, though the past bug was more entirely irrelevant, relevant bugs with the Travoltean Trousers.--Practitioner of Saucy Arts 22:27, 4 October 2006 (CDT)

• Is there perhaps a page where defunct bug stuff could be moved to? Say the "Bugs- which- used- to- exist- but- were- subsequently- fixed- but- we- helped- find- them- or- at- least- read- someone- else's- post- about- it- in- the- forums- so- we- feel- really- attached- to- that- particular- bug- irregardrless- of- the- fact- that- it- was- fixed- within- 29- minutes- of- being- discovered- and- no- longer- affect- gameplay- in- the- sleightest- way" page? Because I am sure moving it there would satisfy all involved. --J12601 22:48, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
  • Ok I have conceded some people obviously need to know what an atomic wedgie is, but now a Wet T-Shirt contest? I mean yeah its kind of funny, but when and where does this end and at what point is the page no longer useful cause it has thoroughly deviated from a resource style in pursuing its own humor.--Practitioner of Saucy Arts 14:46, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

Fixed Bugs

See above, but I decided they have been on their long enough for the moment. I don't appose including these on some other page but as they are fixed, to the best of my information, I no longer feel they belong on that page. I'm copy and pasting em here for the ease of being included elsewhere if someone finds the ambition to start such a project, J12601 I'm looking at you.--Practitioner of Saucy Arts 19:15, 12 October 2006 (CDT)

• Initially the physical attack messages were not being displayed, leading many to doubt their existence. Mr. Skullhead cleared up the controversy about the invisible physical attacks.
• When this item first became available, it briefly was equippable in Hardcore. Later, a bug involving the terrarium which allowed the bucket to be equippable in hardcore was found and soon patched.
• An additional bug temporarily prevented the +5 Familiar Weight bonus from being applied.
• Yet another bug was discovered involving the attacks that a familiar made when equipped with this item in regard to the Shadow.[1]

Extra Goodies?

Is there a reason that the "extra goodies" message isn't included anywhere on the page? That is, the "<name> holds out the plastic pumpkin bucket, hoping for extra goodies" message. It seems to that this would be the obvious place for it, but it's not here.

Would there be any objections to me adding it? --Southwest 13:59, 13 October 2006 (CDT)

• Sounds like a good idea to me, though i'm not sure off the top of my head where you would want to put it?--Practitioner of Saucy Arts 21:07, 13 October 2006 (CDT)

Different message

I just got the following message from my nervous tick with the ppb: "Grort tricks your opponent except smelling your feet. He sustains 32 damage into the stench." I can't figure out what would change the words around like that. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks... --John. 18:55, 11 February 2007 (CST)

Ah, I answered my own question. I'm using the sword behind inappropriate prepositions and that changes the familiar ppb messages as well as regular attack messages. Next time I will think harder before I post here; sorry. --John. 19:09, 11 February 2007 (CST)