Talk:Rock snake

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It occurs multiple places, I found it in the Haunted Bedroom. --Muhfin 15:50, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

And I in the Haunted bathroom, just after the scientists of loathing update. Ariaflame 15:52, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I got it in the Goatlet, just before the update. --Maddsurgeon 15:54, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I just did in The Defiled Alcove.

It just overrode my semirare! :'( OMGUS 15:57, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

It also overrides (or procrastinates) the Welcome back! from the llama lama gong, and I also got one when I was just about to enter the fight against the Mother Slime. Their timing is really "awesome!" -- Ruby Eyes 15:24, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Clanmate (sinthetix) just got this on The Poop Deck. --AnyLameName 15:59, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Have just made a copy using Spooky Putty so you can putty it--Ngm 16:03, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Managed to get it in Hobopolis Town Square too. --Lizardking 16:07, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Got it in the Sewers. Multiple times. --Judgericand 00:45, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I just love getting the bloody thing in the middle of a slimeling run... Mr. Blonde 07:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


Can you get it in the same place more than once? Evin290 16:10, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Got this in Sonofa Beach. Definitely related to the 'Rumble On' adventure.

  • Yes, you can. I've gotten it twice in the Tower Ruins. It dropped the item both times, too. I think it's showing up ever 30 turns, like various holiday creatures do. Moynusaxon 16:17, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed -- it does show up every thirty turns today... Just today? And there's nothing special that happens if you encounter it while you're 5 Pounds Lighter. Evin290 16:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Really? I got my first one at some point... I got my second one another 50ish adventures from that, and my third another 15-20 adventures after the second. Silvermoonstar3 17:46, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

You can pickpocket floaty sand from it, too. Choras 16:29, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I just encountered it falling-down drunk. Evin290 16:32, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Nothing special encountering it with sandworm as a familiar --Arbarbonif 16:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

nothing special from using a brick of sand against it. --Hrag 16:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

nor from a handful of sand, nor a rocky racoon --ShaggyShaggs 20:11, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


Spooky Putty Sheetable?--Dunsel 16:48, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes --Fig bucket 17:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


anyone trying tons of +ML? --Xavqwyrus 17:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Not tons, but I happened to have +70ML on. No obvious effects (other than, well, being about 70ML higher). --Campboy 18:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Fought one with +153 ML and +367.44% Items. Got sand, nothing special noted. --Pcentella 19:07, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

survived 7 normal damage not a total of 21 7 +(7 +2 +5). survived 18 not 19 normal damage. repeated after +41 adventure. meat vortex failed to extract meat.

--MadonKody 17:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Survived 8 fire damage (rough stone sphere), then died on the second use. So between 9-16. --AnyLameName 18:17, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

a cut and past of a hit message. "It headbutts you with such force that you're knocked silly, unable to tell your lower back from your leg."

the text maybe

It headbutts you with such force that you're knocked silly, unable to tell your <body part> from your <body part>.

--MadonKody 18:02, 23 July 2009 (UT


No special message given when I used the mayfly necklace. -- Alphacow 20:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Just to be fiddly: you can use the Transcendent Olfaction skill against them, and you will get the "on the trail" effect with the right text( Be vewwy, vewwy quiet. You're hunting wabbits. And by "wabbit" I mean "rock snake." ), it just doesn't seem to have any impact on how often they show up.It provides no advantage, but doesn't provide the usual failure messages --Noskilz 21:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe this is the wrong place to put this, but on a hunch that the mountains crumbled down into the sea, I checked the Set an Open Course for the Virgin Booty mainland coordinates. I got random treasure at 11,11, and 21, 21, meaning the mainland has shrunken in size from 11x11 to 9x9. I think it may be related to the earthquake.--Marasmus 21:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

An interesting thought, but look again at the map. The corners of the continent (the coordinates you tested) were always ocean, because the continent has rounded corners. I tested (11,12) and it's still land. --Prestige 23:41, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Just had following Rotting Matilda might it have been delayed so as not mess with dance card 4 adventure count. any report of rock snake 4 adventures after using dance card disproves this idea. --MadonKody 19:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


Charming flute doesn't seem to do anything unusual. --Noskilz 23:08, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Got a snake in The Oasis. It seems to be unconnected to where you first encountered Rumble On, as mine was in the Haunted Ballroom. I have a theory that this entire phenomenon could possibly be related to an NS update, as the Scientists of Loathing stated that the earthquakes were "nothing to worry about". This has an obvious connection to the "Nothing to Worry About" storm clouds encountered before NS13. It's possible. --TheNachomancer 04:36, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Got the snake in the Pirate cove had exactly 15 hit points i used the turtle totem as a Acordian Theft to do 1 damage at a time must change health depending on were you fight it. --Piro202 02:59, 25 July 2009 (EST)

More likely, it's the ML variance that exists with all monsters in the kingdom--Lukarnis 14:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Anyone else getting dang sick of fighting these things? --Lukarnis 14:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

On a recently ascended account, rock snakes were encountered before the Rumble On adventure which seems kind of silly. --Spiny Twizzler 06:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I tried using spooky putty on a previously spooky puttied rock snake and got the message "For some reason, you can't bring yourself to make a copy of this monster. It's just too... unique and special."--Ithanox 03:12, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Chance of sand drop?

I have failed to get it with +206% items, so is at most 32%. I think it dropped 4 times out of 5 with that +item. --Campboy 18:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

With +235.75% items, it's dropped 17/18 times for me. Odd, thought 30% was a nice even number, but appears to be slightly lower. --Frankzappa 15:03, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

On my main account, running in ronin with several permed +drop skills, and phat loot (but no active fairy), I ran into maybe eight of these guys yesterday without a single sand drop. On a multi, I ran into seven and got four drops. Could be RNG, but it seems unlikely. Let's say it has a 25% drop rate, I've got +20%, +20%, +10%, and +5% for a total +55% item drop rate. I should be getting them more than half the time, missing eight in a row is under 1/256 chance. Is there some other mechanic governing the drop rates? --Club (#66669) (Talk) 18:14, 24 July 2009 (UTC) Addendum: I also have Le Mie Cose Favorite active for another +5%. And no drops on the first one today. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 18:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Encounter rate?

I talked to a person running clovers in the bathroom for 400 turns, and he got 12 encounters (overrode clover adv), putting an estimated encounter rate at 3.5% for that. I'm guessing it overrides all adventures (for adventure.php). --Punkideas 18:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Curiously it also does not seem to set your semi-rare counter, so it apparently isn't using the normal adventure.php mechanics. --Lordebon 20:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
I had encounter intervals (adventures between rock snakes) of 30, 35, and 33. Feels like it may use a 30-turn timer like Muertos Borrachos. --Pastangum 00:35, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I encountered 8 of them while using 224 adventures (41 in the orc chasm, 183 in the middle chamber, all of them were combats)--Beliar Lightbearer 09:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Reference?

Anyone else see a resemblance between this and Onyx from Pokemon?--Kamikaze14 19:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Other than the fact they both play on the pun "rock snake", I don't really see it. The head looks completely different, and none of the text seems to make any reference to pokemon. --Crawly2 20:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

What's the 'pun' on "rock snake"? --SeiferTim 21:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  • I believe that the line about "making friends with it" could be a reference to Pokemon. --The Revenant 21:03, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  • and you're mistaken. no crest, no resemblance. --Evilkolbot 21:11, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
    • I'd have to disagree. Sure, the KoL version is missing a crest, but other than that it's a pretty decent replica, and as the Revenant pointed out, "making friends with it" is RATHER pokemon-esque. Almightysapling 21:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
      1. making friends with stuff is always pokemon, you're right. oh, no, sorry, had my sarcasm turned way too high. people made friends as early as the seventies, you know, when nintendo made playing cards. i can't speak for any earlier, but i have a feeling there may have been at least one incident of making friends even before that. still a bit high. sorry, friends does not always equal pokemon. there, knew i could do it.
      2. how would you draw a snake made of rocks? it would look like onix, yes. but, if the reference was meant it would have the damned crest. no crest, no reference. --Evilkolbot 21:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
      3. i stand by my comments, but am sorry for their method of delivery. --Evilkolbot 21:32, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
        1. Okay, maybe I should have been a bit more clear. Where else in the entire Kingdom does it ever suggest that you make friends with a monster that you are currently in battle with? Or anytime in real life? In pokemon, this occurs frequently. You can either KILL the baddie, or CATCH it.
        2. Clearly, this is my bad. I wasn't aware that for something to be a reference it had to be an exact replica. Almightysapling 11:07, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
      1. your example proves my point. not only does it have the same name, but there is a quote from the film in the description. references aren't subtle. there has to be more than just a word or phrase
      2. you said it yourself, CATCH not MAKE FRIENDS. who makes their friends live inside a tiny ball and then releases them mostly only to fight? still not buying it. --Evilkolbot 11:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
        1. Not at all, the image itself looks nothing like the Continuum Transfunctioner from the movie (neither in it's Rubik's form or when it expands)
        2. Did we not watch the same Pokemon? If anything Ash is better friends with his pokemon than ANY other human characters. Almightysapling 11:47, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
        • No offense EKB, but I think you have personal bias clouding your judgment on this one. Yes, the phrase is catch, but the entire pokemon series [at least as far as the games are concerned, I cannot speak for the movies or cartoon] is about befriending your foes. Personally, I think we should just call it a day, and declare it a reference to the earth wanting to do explicit things to us. Edit: I swear that image looks familiar, but not from pokemon.. Gah, I wish I didn't suck at remembering. --Val
          1. I'm going to agree with Evilkolbot because the two arguments that this references pokemon is the "friends" comment and its appearance. References aren't subtle. Like EKB said, every snake made out of rock would look a lot like onix. EKB never said anything about a reference needing to be an exact replica; because almost every rock snake that someone can draw is going to look somewhat alike, if TPTB wanted a pokemon reference, they would have made the snake look more like onix.
          2. Friends with monsters have been made elsewhere in the kingdom, specifically with elves. Agreed, friends in the kingdom don't occur very often, but just because Pokemon does emphasize friendship doesn't mean that it's a reference.
          3. There are also new arguments based on the moves rock slide and headbutt, but rock slide is clearly not a signature move of onix. After all, cubone can learn both rock slide and headbutt. --CG1:t,c,e 18:07, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
          4. EDIT: Smeargle learns both as well :P --CG1:t,c,e 18:12, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
          • Wow. I hadn't noticed the Rock Slide or Headbutt references. But I think that only goes to EMPHASIZE my point that the reference is Pokemon in nature (not specifically Onix). That they are pokemon moves at all should be a point toward reference. But what I really want to know, is in WHAT rulebook does it say that references are under no circumstances to be subtle? (though i wouldn't call this subtle). I guess my point here is (since I really am not looking for an argument, just an understanding) is of all the places in the kindgom, WHY would jick slip the line "you briefly consider making friends" into the description of THIS monster? It certainly doesn't inform us about the monster in any way, and if it's not a reference of some sort, then it could be left out all together. But it wasn't left out. It's THERE. READ IT. Also, I really don't understand why for this to be an Onix reference it would have to look MORE like Onix. Isn't "kinda" enough? After all, they are both snakes made of rock. Almightysapling 10:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
            • Not all snakes of rock are references to pokemon. What attacks would a rock snake know? Since only the head is not underground for this snake, obviously one of the main physical attacks would be headbutt. If jick really wanted a pokemon reference, he would slip in something like "you briefly consider throwing a ball at it", which would solidify the reference. Just because something Jick writes doesn't really add anything to the description doesn't mean it's a reference (see lemon). --CG1:t,c,e 17:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
              • To be honest, I wouldn't have mentioned the attacks had it not been for YOU saying that other pokemon besides Onix can learn them. I guess my biggest point would be, in a game that is filled to the brim with pop-culture references, why wouldn't the inclusion of a Rock Snake be tied to pokemon? It's fairly obvious. Further, Jick DID write that you would consider making friends with it. I don't know about you, but aside from pokemon I have NEVER seen anyone enter combat with a wild monster only to befriend it WHILE fighting it. Just seems like too perfect a fit NOT to be a reference to pokemon in some way. But, since I'm not in the mood to try to convince you how much I think it's a reference, I will just ask Jick if it was his intention. Now, since I rarely get a chance to listen to the radio, could someone point me in the direction of the radio transcripts? Almightysapling 10:14, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
        • It somehow reminds me of a monster in Super Mario World. --Beliar Lightbearer 15:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
          • Lol, it's face kinda has the same doofey look that Blargg has. (maybe the smaller ones aren't called Blargg... the little lava guy that pops out at you when you pass over) Almightysapling 10:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

To me the make friends line refers to the fact than in KOL, you never end up making friends with something, you always fight it. I may be completely off base, but that's just what I thought. --Cubsmaniac 17:08, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I had no idea this would turn into such a huge argument =P Anyway, can we say it might be a reference?--Kamikaze14 21:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

  • no. --Evilkolbot 07:47, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
  • yes. See? I can make proclamations from on high too! Mr. Blonde
    • You can, but you're not a sysop. --CG1:t,c,e 17:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
  • There are fifteen billion monsters in KoL. While you fight every single one of those instead of making friends, this is the one that has a reference about making friends with. Obviously it's a joke about the monster looking like a pokemon. --Bale 09:46, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
  • If you really want to know, ask on the radio. I don't think it's a reference to onix in particular - this rock snake is 3 feet long, onix is longer than that (by around 25 feet) and that would have been a nice place to consolidate the reference. --Ryo_Sangnoir 11:56, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Its face looks kind of like steelix's face, which is onix's evolved form. The picture is also WAY closer to onix or steelix than the 4 starter pokemon are in the ruins... I think with the befriending it, the pokemon moves, and the looks combine, it has to be a pokemon reference... That's just my opinion. Silvermoonstar3 14:29, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
    • The starter pokemon in the ruins are a reference to 1000 blank cards, which itself referenced pokemon. It's also combined with Aztec? gods so obviously they won't look alike. --CG1:t,c,e 17:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

From Jick himself: "P. S. This event is being orchestrated by me, almost unilaterally, and I know absolutely nothing about Pokemon. Seriously. It's not about Pokemon." [1] So there you go. --AnyLameName

  • That works for me.--Kamikaze14 16:59, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

RHPS Reference?

Question about the RHPS "reference". Is that really a reference? I mean, I don't know tons about the RHPS, but that seems an incredibly weak link. --Val 11:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

  • i'd have to agree that it's pretty weak. unfortunately this looks quite a lot like skully, and he's really gay for tim curry. the alternative is conrad, and he just doesn't swing that way. --Evilkolbot 11:52, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
    • ...what? Does that mean every bit of content written by Skullhead that has the word "rock" or "horror" in it is an automatic reference to RHPS? Pokemon's too much of a stretch but supposition about who wrote what is solid enough for it to be a RHPS reference? Wow. Just... wow. Mr. Blonde 03:56, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Initiative?

I managed to get the jump on it, while having the following effects on: Form of...Bird, Tranquilized Mind, and Chapped Legs. Base main stat of 153, no enhancements to init otherwise [not even passives]. Not sure if this means anything, but -1K% Init's gotta mean something, right? --Val

The Haiku Dungeon

In the haiku dungeon the snake has haiku format combat.AOTT 20:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

This is clearly a reference to pokemon, where Ash once said a sentence that had 5 syllables. --Crawly2 21:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

NS14?

Just going out on a very very weak limb here but like TheNachomancer said here: "This has an obvious connection to the "Nothing to Worry About" storm clouds encountered before NS13. It's possible. --TheNachomancer 04:36, 24 July 2009 (UTC)", I believe this could be the onset of NS14 being that there will be a new quest added and you wont be able to fight the Naughty Sorceress until level 14. Just a theory... --Ironcheff 09:56, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

  • I do believe you mean NS15. But again: Just a theory... Almightysapling 10:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Jick and co. have stated multiple times recently that they have no intention of raising the Naughty Sorceress' level again, especially with so many other unfinished projects. --Nightvol 14:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC
      • True, but if they DID inc. it up again, I believe the general consensus is that it would be to level 15. Almightysapling 10:34, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Whatever teh case

Appearance after using adventures.

Given that the snake supposedly appears around every 30 adventures, I spent 120 in the moxie sign training area, then went and adventured in the thungderdrome. The assumption that the snakes appear in the first open adventure was proved, as my 1st adventure was a snake. However they don't seem to queue, because next adventure was a normal one. Sean12349999 08:13, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Nope, it's not once every 30 adventures avg. It's every 30 adventures after the previous encounter. Almightysapling 10:32, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

monster level?

just a thought but has anyone tried to fight one of these with massive amounts of ML increasers....thye could be similar to the monsters in the Slime Tube. the more ML increasers you have the bigger and more rewarding the fights are...perhaps fighting whith enough ML you may fight a different monster altogether...like the slime tube. theassasin 20:52 28 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Running over 100 doesn't get me anything. So not very likely. --Flargen 00:55, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
  • well it was just a thought...knowing jick i would not put it past him to make an exorbitantly high number though.....but then again im an idiot who makes jewelry and sells it at country fairs! --Theassasin

Dwarvish war helmet

The "heads up!" thing on the rock snake gave me the number 25 -- and it's supposed to give one attribute (possibly attack). Where did the attack number come from that's on the page? Evin290 06:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Where you running +ML? --Flargen 06:44, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Rumble On Not A Prereq

"(diff) (hist) . . Rock snake‎; 06:38 . . (+67) . . Gannstboy (Talk | contribs) (adding that rocksnake doesnt happen until after rumble on)"

I for, one, saw the rock snake (on the first day they were around) before getting Rumble On with one of my accounts. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 17:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed mechanics.

"Tuesday, I changed the nature of the event, and made it such that:

1) You encounter rock snakes in low-level zones, rock homunculi in mid-high level ones. 2) You never encounter a rock monster in a zone you've spent less than 30 turns in this run (*) 3) Once you've encountered a rock monster, the next one comes in 45-55 turns later instead of 25-35 (*)

(*) unless you've got a charged magnet equipped"

Taken from http://forums.kingdomofloathing.com/vb/showthread.php?t=175350 Sean12349999 20:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

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