Talk:Scroll of ancient forbidden unspeakable evil

I think the insta-kill effect is triggered by using it against a monster that is resistant to physical damage. 8 out of 8 scrolls against Snow Queens, 1 out of 1 scroll against a Miner in the Shaft, and 1 out of 1 scroll against a Wraith in the Billards Room all dealt the insta-kill effect. --Poochy 17:59, 25 September 2006 (CDT)

This may no longer be true post-NS13. The scroll did only 1 point of damage versus a guardian spirit. (Alternatively, guardian spirits may belong on the resistant list.) Zwol 18:24, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

Is it possible the the stench recoil damage could be a reference to When a Stranger Calls (The calls are coming from inside the house!)? --Piroteknix 15:31, 21 September 2006 (CDT)

Is it for 1 use only? --Yupsi 04:30, 23 September 2006 (CDT)

- if you havent found out already: yes it is one use. sad. i thought i'd found an easy way to beat the snow queens :P --Deranged Cat 21:30, 25 September 2006 (CDT)

- Thanks! :) --Yupsi 13:31, 28 September 2006 (CDT)

The reference to D&D and the black tentacles might be even more general: One of the relativelly common spells in the game is "Evard's Black tentacles" which do pretty much what the attack message describes.--Rikmach 22:05, 24 September 2006 (CDT)

I agree, Black Tentacles is definately the more likely reference. The refence to the books in question is a reach given that there is nothing to indicate its anything more than a nod to the spell. --Veistran 02:33, 25 September 2006 (CDT)

-While H.P Lovecraft was very fond of the concept of "things man was not meant to know" I'm not sure he ever used the phrase itself I've never seen it in any of his works. I think that it might be a more general horror reference, in fact the phrase crops up more often in parodies of horror works than it does in 'legitimate' horror stories. --Seraphian 14:17, 30 October 2006 (CST)

It took me 2 years, and I reread all the works of lovecraft, and the closest he came to the "Things man was not meant to know" is the following line in "The Call of Cthulhu" story: "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age."

And according to http://www.kith.org/journals/jed/2005/09/18/3146.html the "... not meant to know" sentence was from a mistranslation of hamlet. --Soyweiser 13:32, 24 July 2008 (CDT)

You read the runes written on the tattered scroll. Black tentacles emerge from the ground beneath it, and beat it soundly for 20 damage.

Editing the page accordingly. --Shima 19:33, 19 February 2008 (CST)

Shadow Class

Anyone know what happens when you use this on your shadow? --gausie

• Most likely the same thing that happens when you use any other combat item on the shadow - nothing at all. --Quietust (t|c) 11:13, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

The Homestar reference is pretty unlikely if you ask me. A lot of things in the Kingdom of Loathing are bad for you, and I doubt they're all meant as a reference.

Um, no, wait. That didn't make much sense. But "these things are bad for you" is still just a common phrase.--Gumfish 09:56, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

Happened to use one of these scrolls, and had 6 recoil damage on an element I had Monumental resistance against. Then used a few scrolls while under Stenchform and took only 1 stench damage but 12 cold and sleaze damage. --Terion 06:02, 13 November 2007 (CST)

AFUE

Same acronym: [1]. Coincidence? --Raijinili 02:32, 5 July 2008 (CDT)

Immune?

I just used one against The Ghost of Fernswarthy's n great-grandfather, and it didn't instant-die. Is anyone else getting this? Maybe it was changed with the Crimbomination? --Deus Ex Machina 00:23, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I used 20 against The Ghost of Fernswarthy's n great-grandfather and none of them killed it. --Nevs 13:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

• Never mind, CDM fixed it. --Deus Ex Machina 21:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

References

Not sure, but I believe the Sleaze damage message to the player is more specifically referencing one of the first two Evil Dead movies (can't remember which one). Something about the second sentence makes me think it is more specific to that scene.--Cajun tiger 20:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Crys-Rock

Doesn't work against him. I used a scroll on him and it just dealt 12 regular damage. He then proceeded to beat my ass (damned jerk popping up and screwing with my kittycore run). --Andorin Kato 06:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

That's to be expected. He is not 100% physical resistant, so it's not going to insta-kill him. He's partially resistant to all elements and physical, but not fully resistant to any of them. --Lordebon 14:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

To be exact, he's 50% resistant to everything, so 12 damage is expected. --CG1:t,c,e 17:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

From the article: "Some Physically-resistant monsters get the instant-death effect." I misinterpreted this to mean any monster with physical resistance, not just physically immune monsters. --Andorin Kato 10:00, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Insta-kill effect text

The current text for the insta-kill effect, as given on the page and from my in-game testing, is

"You read the runes written on the tattered scroll. You hear a loud whoosh as a whirling butt of darkness coalesces around your opponent. When my butt dissipates, there's nothing left of it."

This was changed on the wiki in October, but the original text makes more sense to me (so much so that I reverted that edit as vandalism before checking more carefully and reverting my revert). KoL talks about butts and I wouldn't be surprised to find them coalescing and dissipating like clouds somewhere in the game, but with a clearly evil, almost-Spooky-aligned item like this, I would expect it to be played straight with standard clouds, especially because according to the wiki indicates the text used to be "cloud".

Was the text changed in-game (and if so, when)? Or is there some text-changing effect I can't remember the existence of which is changing this for Wyvern Soul and me?