Talk:The Institute for Canadian Studies

At level 22 (and base Myst 478), 10 adventures here on a non-stat-day gave me 698 Mysticality subpoints. --Greycat 12:56, 14 November 2006 (CST)

At level 23 (and base Myst 496), 10 adventures on a non-stat-day gave 767 Myst. --Greycat 11:58, 15 November 2006 (CST)

Level 23 and base Myst 511, 10 adventures non-Myst day -> 750 Myst. (This gives me base 512 Myst, close to 513.) Now let's try a few individual adventures:

102, 80, 58, 105 (base is now 513)
105, 67, 103, 76, 63, 102, 73, 61, 94, 81, 96, 53, 54 (base is now 514)
95, 93, 105, 56, 92, 80, 88, 86, 68, 67, 98, 97 (base is now 515)

Mean = 82, Minimum = 53, Maximum = 105. Does not appear to be normally distributed (no bell curve). Will need a lot more data (at differing levels) to attempt to find a formula. --Greycat 17:08, 16 November 2006 (CST)

Table time!

Level	Myst	Data	Mean
23	530	77 67 57 78 98 107 92 76	81
23	531	110 101 101 104 111 75 82 64 107 56 72 110	91
23	532	88 85 98 95 83 103 62 61 100 72 93 76	84
24	533	91 60 78 63 106 103 68 56 104 88 70 110 74	82
24	534	70 99 99 91 85 88 106 58 65 68 68 85 88	82
24	535	67 81 100 58 64 91 96 56 109 90 85 84 95	82
24	536	91 80 56 92 109 99 67 92 94 61 94 74 80	83
24	537	58 64 68 103 93 88 91 99 68 79 111 78 110	85
24	538	62 69 86 57 101 95 101 59 87 64 80 60 69 77	76
24	539	101 98 110 60 91 70 72 70 102 61 96 56 65	80
24	540	108 110 101 74 101 108 81 112 104 110	100
24	543	59 100 74 100 103 84 68 82 70 66 93 73 86 98	82
24	544	103 56 64 88 64 66 80 103 73 100 70 75 107	80
24	545	92 87 72 111 104 104 111 64 86 110 62 78	90
24	546	72 70 73 102 101 91 78 70 63 103 101 89 81	84
24	547	65 83 72 66 114 70 67 61 67 101 88 62 94 91	78
24	548	103 106 70 61 63 77 67 60 97 90 102 76 59 58	77
24	549	101 57 107 109 82 80 99 57 91 71 81 111 61	85
24	550	95 77 110 68 67 100 101 104 95 65 101 97	90
24	551	106 111 94 71 107 110 93 101 105 66 84 98	95
24	552	76 57 113 90 98 97 86 106 110 108 58 101	91
24	553	89 68 111 79 72 101 59 101 81 102 91 65 58	82
24	554	86 71 75 68 104 102 73 96 68 93 68 68 91 75	81
24	555	68 110 77 95 112 101 110 80 108 68 67 63 89	88
24	556	99 101 98 93 80 93 84 107 75 83 89 101	91
24	557	92 106 63 103 88 87 65 64 88 77 70 105 65	82
24	558	97 112 104 85 103 91 77 68 83 107 99 90	93
24	559	70 71 85 107 98 94 64 62 112 70 105 69 59 74	81
24	570	60 85 80 112 67 114 115 88 89 80 114 99 63	89
25	610	69 105 98 113 75 81 123 101 90 111 66 116 77	94
25	611	99 121 107 114 78 118 110 70 66 71 119 76 103	96
25	612	81 110 103 100 114 106 113 117 99 82 117	103
25	613	101 113 104 99 68 75 77 66 86 101 104 110 119	94
25	614	126 93 66 87 104 66 96 111 86 91 75 82 100 64	89
25	615	68 124 125 101 128 128 95 113 68 88 86 72 116	100
25	616	103 94 78 98 84 103 107 102 91 117 75 122	97
25	617	114 111 101 110 113 84 90 97 105 115 75 74	99
25	618	108 77 87 105 124 65 123 92 114 126 96 108 85	100
25	619	112 75 109 111 67 113 73 111 82 124 108 96	98
25	620	75 128 94 125 77 79 68 105 75 98 92 86 69 92	90
25	621	66 67 86 87 115 117 118 79 97 74 92 114 96	92
25	622	107 71 119 115 68 66 128 106 105 121 74 102 106	99
25	623	86 127 78 89 80 65 66 105 129 103 72 75 104 67	89
25	624	109 120 97 86 95 93 80 96 64 73 77 72 110 125	92
25	625	71 80 130 66 91 121 71 83 95 127 90 91 126	95
25	626	72 69 67 127 67 110 67 89 109 102 117	90
25	627	80 77 94 86 65 86 112 106 89 78 128 100 82 104	91
25	628	77 102 90 73 73 102 104 81 73 116 111 69 76 109	89
26	630	98 109 74 101 125 130 116 110 67 74 103 123 78	100
26	631	73 102 98 119 84 120 78 74 131 72 78 95 83	92
26	632	110 111 93 124 121 97 77 80 124 97 122 113	105
26	633	113 79 69 71 111 115 122 89 70 86 102 71 87 83	90
26	634	75 120 77 120 112 72 68 130 108 120 65 85 76 80	93
26	635	104 93 85 98 124 115 114 89 119 113 104 117	106
26	636	123 113 79 84 82 89 93 105 72 106 84 76 130	95
26	637	123 113 102 127 74 76 125 105 71 90 81 82 97	97
26	638	114 128 132 120 78 67 100 95 119 107 85 128	106
26	639	101 98 114 116 88 87 95 86 67 110 106 92 108 71	95
26	640	101 70 74 122 69 109 76 66 77 110 116 106 125	93
26	641	71 66 126 109 114 118 95 126 80 105 91 75 78 70	94
26	642	69 86 108 128 73 108 88 78 124 123 82 107 105	98
26	643	79 75 95 107 116 68 127 129 97 101 72 89 79 126	97
26	644	84 128 132 90 98 104 87 108 118 121 79 79	102
26	645	134 88 78 88 133 92 131 105 124 103 116 76	105
26	646	84 116 83 116 91 117 70 122 85 111 91 110 68	97
26	647	108 69 75 116 106 109 131 110 123 77 81 112 98	101
26	653	87 76 82 76 96 128 94 81 83 132 103 107 110	96
26	654	75 85 124 68 119 95 94 97 109 97 106 101 92	97
26	655	77 107 126 87 133 81 102 106 121 84 132 72 88	101
26	656	130 134 108 111 126 88 71 135 115 85 77 118	108
26	657	76 110 129 105 69 80 105 106 77 93 100 116 68 102	95
26	658	88 84 95 68 105 133 116 109 124 73 82 94 85 78	95
26	659	83 129 132 112 116 116 111 92 111 108 120 79	109
26	660	125 70 91 113 113 113 75 115 97 98 130 74 100	101
26	661	80 80 74 108 119 75 127 83 103 77 116 102 116 92	96
26	662	113 88 69 69 89 117 92 76 125 120 84 69 105 122	95
26	663	75 91 78 83 90 75 135 82 81 109 126 81 117 127	96
26	664	76 132 70 131 131 103 137 122 80 98 88 85	104
26	665	104 117 80 96 88 131 99 76 114 118 100 100 127	103
26	666	94 138 104 136 129 69 106 108 109 123 127 86	110
26	667	111 123 117 89 129 135 86 75 130 118 125 131	114
26	668	115 86 115 96 137 114 110 113 88 70 85 126 136	107
26	669	102 129 96 113 129 101 90 130 122 104 78 121	109
26	670	106 120 77 77 105 82 118 72 87 139 78 137 103	100
26	671	93 80 88 75 88 110 95 107 114 86 86 71 92 112	92
27	680	95 140 106 120 120 112 124 132 141 134 131	123
27	681	116 119 130 97 82 120 100 101 85 90 96 111 97	103
27	682	112 108 110 112 89 132 88 73 108 83 78 116 79 76	97
27	683	86 108 76 74 71 76 113 109 139 83 78 113 90 98 133	96
27	684	113 128 81 132 106 138 108 108 83 72 93 81 72	101
27	685	73 83 108 141 125 84 78 121 108 142 122 93 88	105
27	686	106 106 121 121 112 99 91 127 92 91 119 87 130	107
27	687	81 89 129 136 137 125 125 127 108 78 94 85	109
27	688	134 124 102 139 92 118 109 74 98 117 74 104 78	104
27	689	107 95 83 132 139 118 82 87 72 132 95 78 107 95	101
27	690	112 79 121 78 82 91 80 136 111 124 82 116 100 139	103
27	691	92 141 110 127 136 134 94 117 141 134 126	122
28	740	105 132 142 82 81 109 119 138 103 80 127 135 81	110
28	741	116 149 77 131 132 114 148 134 120 94 76 123 81	115
28	742	102 108 151 96 120 126 88 97 105 108 125 102 131	112
28	743	151 128 147 101 122 137 95 133 101 123 90 86 110	117
28	744	153 149 107 77 141 133 82 94 105 97 102 131 112	114
28	745	150 89 124 134 145 151 106 119 127 141 116 118	126
28	746	95 103 140 79 128 111 119 146 153 100 82 133 147	118
28	747	97 98 99 139 89 146 108 153 138 78 117 92 111	112
28	748	142 110 88 88 92 108 147 112 124 90 127 150 111	114
28	749	108 145 89 139 85 129 112 133 143 133 139 130	123
28	750	78 109 111 108 132 153 90 144 151 90 129 84 124	115
28	751	143 108 116 120 107 144 110 140 147 114 93 143	123
28	752	116
28	753	81 133 101 91 135 78 142 125 105 124 106 97 79 99	106
28	754	77 147 155 122 112 132 114 111 154 79 125 133	121
28	755	113 95 147 98 139 116 134 103 145 80 87 92 121 117	113
28	756	122 103 119 111 83 140 88 102 80 85 110 145 122 83	106
28	757	95 151 93 149 153 80 90 128 141 96 79 130 92	113
28	758	149 104 134 124 114 126 101 81 139 113 81 87 95 152	114
28	759	134 94 142 133 142 133 83 152 104 126 99 91	119
28	760	103 112 116 103 149 94 88 144 111 104 145 129 108	115

Looking at the data as a whole, so far, it would appear that the stat gains are uniformly distributed within a certain range, and this range depends on your base mysticality, not your level.

My first guess at a formula for this is: a random number from Myst/10 to Myst/5, plus a random number from 3 to 6. Although that's just off the top of my head, without doing a verification against the data yet. --Greycat 17:08, 29 November 2006 (CST)

Taking a short break from Crimbo activities to look at my data.... I wrote a quick little script to check the hypothesis that every stat-gain value for base mysticality M lies between (M/10 + 2) and ((M/10)*2 + 6) -- and they all do. Another possible hypothesis is that the values lie between (M/10 + 2) and (M/5 + 5) -- the data also fit that pattern. Telling the difference between these two hypotheses would require a sample size way beyond my patience (and knowledge of statistics) to collect and analyze. (Or maybe I just need to go there at level 1... hmm.) In either case, the range only differs by 1 point at the top end.

So for now, I'm content with the statement that The Institute gives you a myst substat gain which is a random number from (M/10) to (M/10)*2, plus a random number from 2 to 6, where M is your base mysticality.

Data from people visiting The Institute at very low levels would be welcome. --Greycat 13:43, 18 December 2006 (CST)

Ask and ye shall receive:

mysticality: substat gain

22: 8 7 8

23: 9 12 8 13 9

24: 12 12 14 9

25: 13 8 9 15 15

26: 9 9 11 11 10

27: 12 15 15 9 12

28: 9 8 13 15

29: 12 8 15 9 10 11

--Alienchickenpie 13:23, 7 January 2007 (CST)

Did you do those on January 7th? That was a Mysticality day, which distorts the results. (Phew... I thought for a second my formula was totally wrong at low levels! But if all your 15s are actually 10s, then it's still OK.) --Greycat 15:10, 8 January 2007 (CST)

You give two different possible upper bound equations: ((M/10)*2 + 6) and (M/5 + 5). You said that they both fit your data. But isn't ((M/10)*2 + 6) = (M/5 + 6)? Anyway, here's some lower level data I collected. I've bolded green the first time each time a new high number occurs, italicized red the last time each low number occurs, and included two new columns which list your hypothesized low and (M/5)+5 for the high.

Level	Myst	Data	Mean	(M/10)+2	(M/5)+5
1	0	5		2.0	5.0
1	2	3 4	3.5	2.2	5.4
1	3	3 4	3.5	2.3	5.6
1	4	2 3 4	3	2.4	5.8
2	5	5 6	5.5	2.5	6.0
2	6	4 3 6	4.3	2.6	6.2
2	7	3 3 6	4	2.7	6.4
3	8	4 6 5 4	4.8	2.8	6.6
3	9	6 3 3 6	4.5	2.9	6.8
3	10	3 5 7 6	5.3	3.0	7.0
3	11	3 7 6 4 6	5.2	3.1	7.2
3	12	6 5 7 3	5.3	3.2	7.4
4	13	4 5 5 6 3 7	5	3.3	7.6
4	14	5 7 6 3 7	5.6	3.4	7.8
4	15	6 5 6 8 4	5.8	3.5	8.0
4	16	5 4 5 5 5 7 7	5.4	3.6	8.2
4	17	8 4 8 4 4 5	5.5	3.7	8.4
4	18	6 7 7 5 6 8	6.5	3.8	8.6
4	19	6 4 4 6 8 4 8	5.7	3.9	8.8
5	20	7 8 7 8 5	7	4.0	9.0
5	21	7 8 8 9 4 7	7.2	4.1	9.2
5	22	6 8 5 5 9 8 5	6.6	4.2	9.4
5	23	8 9 4 7 6 9 8	7.3	4.3	9.6
5	24	9 5 5 9 6 9 9	7.4	4.4	9.8
5	25	10 5 10 9 6 9	8.2	4.5	10.0
5	26	5 8 7 8 7 9 8	7.4	4.6	10.2
5	27	5 8 10 7 9 10 5	7.7	4.7	10.4
5	28	7 8 10 10 8 8 5	8	4.8	10.6
6	29	5 8 9 10 7 9 5 9	7.8	4.9	10.8
6	30	11 6 8 9 9 8 5	8	5.0	11.0
6	31	5 11 7 8 7 9 5 8 7	7.4	5.1	11.2
6	32	8 8 9 11 7 10 7	8.6	5.2	11.4

I think your formula is pretty accurate san the +6 for the upper bound. At least by looking at my data it seems that +5 is more appropriate. It's probably safe to add to the article. Odds are that the formulas for Gnirf, the World's Sneakiest Gnome and The Gym are identical but could use some verification. --TheDotGamer 20:11, 8 January 2007 (CST)