Talk:The LAAAAME Observatory
Funk-Powered Space Train
I was just wondering if this also had anything to do with that old Soul Train tv show.--Tabaqui 08:24, 31 May 2006 (CDT)
New Azimuth Tables
Discussion and tables can be found at Category:Azimuth Tables and Category talk:Azimuth Tables.--Dehstil 18:36, 21 May 2006 (CDT)
Notes
Ronald Roo (#367258) May 14 11:35 PM 1° 125° I found ronald at 0, 125 also...apparently there's mulitple coordinates of things.--Dehstil 23:48, 14 May 2006 (CDT)
- Actually, it was found at 1, 125 (the same place Grimace was first located) --Antipode 04:34, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
TiggerBJ checked Altitude 77, Azimuth 0-40 and found nothing.
- Grimace can be seen at 2° 126° too... it's just a big object! --Twopeak
Miscellaneous Observations
Have you read any of the HTML/Script files for the Observatory page? It contains Easter Egg messages, but not clues. located: http://images.kingdomofloathing.com/scripts/rcm.js --MinuteEgg 01:32, 15 May 2006 (CDT) MinuteEgg
Looks like the right click menu script. I don't see any eggs...--Dehstil 01:41, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
It's possible to stargaze normally while being falling-down drunk. (I was almost expecting to see giant spiders or something!) --Nea 04:07, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
You get some special text when visiting the Observatory when blind. "Uh, sir? That's most assuredly not the telescope. Maybe you should come back when you can see again." Also, I've heard that this can be done while drunk (beaten to it, I guess). Not sure exactly how to update the page to reflect those things. --DestroyerBEACON 05:47, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
Has anyone tried observing with the rose colored glasses on? I'm finishing up 211, but will try it soon if no one else does.--Naten186 08:06, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
I'm seeing posts claiming Riff said everything has been found. Haven't spotted any official posts yet that back this up though. Until that happens, I'd say keep looking though. --Spudly Dudley 13:03, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
If you adventure when temporarily blind, you will fight "darkness" instead of whatever regular opponents you'd find, and "you acquire...something." But I also don't know how to update the page to show these.--Pobble13:25, 16 May 2006 (BST)
We're going to need to break the space down by decimal points now. I suggest rechecking even known-to-be inhabited space.--Yerrik 22:05, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
Perhaps we should change everything back to "not yet checked" and make a note on the side for the altitudes that have had declination 0 checked. --Lucyspace2 22:57, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
The constellations appear, under fine resolution, to have a circular shape, extending .5 degrees from either axis, giving them a width and height of 1 degree. I have only had time to check the hooded warrior, though, so ymmv. --The River 23:12, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
Upon further inspection, not all constellations are 1.0 x 1.0 large, but they all seem to be round. The space baby is only 0.5 x 0.5, for instance. Perhaps we can assume that this is the smallest object size, and use this to cut down on the amount of searching required. If one person were to pick an azimuth and check every .3 or .4 altitude, that should still find any possible objects, no? --The River 23:40, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
All of the zodiac signs are the same graphic, mirrored and/or rotated at various angles. I'm sure there's some sort of joke behind this. --Quietust 10:01, 19 May 2006 (CDT)
Could we document the sizes of all the objects? The smallest I've checked so far is Eddy, who is .3° x.3°.--Dehstil 17:43, 19 May 2006 (CDT)
Groups?
I have reason to believe that every square of 4 coordinates is identical, thus giving us the two locations for Ronald, one with 0 Altitude, the other with 1 altitude--Vimes177 00:02, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
Uh, did Ronald just move over 5 degrees it's 6° 130° now instead of 1, 125--Dehstil 00:14, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
- I bet the moons move and rotate each KoL day, as they go through their phases "orbiting" KoL! --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 00:20, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
- so ronald has been at 1° 125° (22:35 MST), 6° 130°, 10° 134°, and 14° 139° (@ 00:15 MST) i think position updates every half hour, so i'll stay up 'til 00:30 to check. 18° 145° at 00:37 MST, but not at 00:34. i think it's every half since discovery at 22:35- padmaclynne
I think so too, but how would we reflect that on the wiki page? I bet this would lead to some speculation analyzing movements, etc...like when coordinates meet with others, or at least an equation for tracking the moon.--Dehstil 00:24, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
Odd, Grimace started at 1° 125° at discovery time too...--Dehstil 01:46, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
If anything happens to Grimace, I forsee a zelda reference. ;)--Dehstil 02:08, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
As I'm the only person who can currently do so, I'll just confirm that it's not possible to get more than one Senior merit badge. --Antipode 03:19, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
The Sun moves too... the article says it's at 6° 71°, and it's currently at 18° 79°. Phlip 09:22, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
- And now 24° 83°. Phlip 10:04, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
The Hole in the Sky exists in more than 1 location. It's at Azimuths 190.0-190.4, and Altitudes 87.1-88.9. Can the current coordinates column in the main table be renamed Discovery Coordinates, and a new column be added that lists all the coordinates the object can be seen at? (I'm not talking about the things that move through the sky like the moons. I'm talking specifically about objects such as The Hole in the Sky who's size is bigger than a single AzimuthxAngle location.) --Echan 13:26, 26 May 2006 (CDT)
Visualization
I've uploaded a couple of images to help visualize the coordinates of various constellations / objects:
--RogerN 17:50, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
- This (X3D) and this (QuickTime VR) are my attempts at doing the same thing, from the forum thread... Phlip 18:12, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
Images have just been updated with the most recent constellations and stuff. --RogerN 11:02, 19 May 2006 (CDT)
Brainstorm
Do you think that if there is something out there that we need to find, perhaps a space craft or planet, that it will also move each day? This would make the chart obsolete tomorrow and each angle would need to be rechecked. Just something to consider. The only way to be sure is to wait until tomorrow. The best plan I can imagine is gathering 360 people together and dividing up the azimuth angles for one day. Whether or not that is possible and probable is the problem.
Also it would only be possible to ensure total sky assessment if the entire area was scanned in 30 minutes because someone noted that thigns move about every 30 minutes. It would be a large scale operation. The more people the faster it would occur.
Besides the current constellations, it's possible others will come into view as the Kingdom's planet orbits its sun, throughout the KoL year. Otherwise this meat-sink would have a very short lifespan.
--If this is the case, then it would be literally impossible to find every single little thing. There's just too much sky to check every half-hour for changes...--ShadowDragoon 08:53, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
I wonder if the moons' pictures change after rollover....hrmmm
This could be interesting...--SomeStranger (Talk | Contribs) 21:08, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
Apparently there are no moons as they are both black today.--Dehstil 23:05, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
..or not. Ronald came up later than yesterday and has a different image. Nothing else has moved other than the moons/sun.--Dehstil 23:49, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
How come the moons aren't on the list anymore?--Dehstil 22:17, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
Giant Space Mosquitos
Giant Space Mosquitos! I saw them!
And unfortunately I didn't save a picture >< I'll see if I can get them again. They weren't there when I looked again. (coordinates: Alt:0.0 Az:133.8) --Six Vandrena 21:12, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
- Next time anyone sees this check how many you have spent adventuring, I want to check something.--SomeStranger (Talk | Contribs) 21:15, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
I saw it at 72 Adventures. --Six Vandrena 21:17, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
I saw it at 226 Adventures. Have seen it twice before, but I don't remember how many adventures I'd had at the time. --Ablotial 20:00, 20 May 2006 (CDT)
I went back and re-calculated, I think I saw it at 73, but it might have been 72. --synclepitica 11:00, 22 May 2006 (CDT)
Text below: You look through the lens and see... AAAAAAH! A giant space mosquito! You run out of the observatory screaming that the giant space mosquitos are attacking. Several people point at you and laugh. One old man says, "I knew it! See, I told you all along!" and dives into an underground shelter.
You run back into the observatory, look through the telescope to see how fast the space mosquitos are approaching, but all you see is empty space. Looks like the Kingdom is safe...for now.
Yeah. The "giant space mosquitoes" are an old joke - it's a regular mosquito flying around the opposite lens of the telescope. Why else would it be blurry? --sl1me 22:07, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
I've spent 174 adventures stargazing, all around 12-2 AM PST, and haven't seen the mosquito once. --Patware 0:21, 24 May 2006 (PST)
By the way, in case anyone's wondering, the Mosquito can appear even when you're looking at an object -- that is, it isn't always "empty space." So if you encounter the Mosquito while scanning the skies for previously undiscovered stuff, better check the same place again. --Baltar 16:46, 2 June 2006 (CDT)
Tracking the Sun and Moons
It would be very informative if anyone who finds Ronald, Grimace, or the Sun would post the coordinates as well as the date and time you saw it. The KoL date would be helpful, too. With enough data, maybe we can map the arc that these bodies travel throughout the day/month. For consistency, post the time in MST (Arizona time).
Also, the Sun is listed in the Observatory's registry. Apparently, it keeps track of the Sun's current position. I haven't done any testing to confirm this. —Dentarthurdent(T,C) 13:11, 19 May 2006 (CDT)
| What | Where | When | When | Who |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ronald | 0° 125° | Dehstil | ||
| Ronald | 1° 125° | 11:35 PM | May 14 / Bill 7 | Roo |
| Ronald | 6° 130° | Dehstil | ||
| Ronald | 10° 134° | padmaclynne | ||
| Ronald | 14° 139° | 12:15 AM | padmaclynne | |
| Ronald | 18° 145° | 12:37 AM | padmaclynne | |
| Grimace | 1° 125° | 1:35 AM | May 15 / Bill 8 | Antipode |
| Grimace | 2° 126° | Twopeak | ||
| The Sun | 6° 71° | |||
| The Sun | 18° 79° | Phlip | ||
| The Sun | 24° 83° | Phlip | ||
| The Sun | 54.8° 105.6° | 10:31 AM | May 19 / Bor 4 | Dentarthurdent |
| The Sun | 48.7° 99.7° | 10:53 AM | May 20 / Bor 5 | LucySpace |
| The Sun | 66.2° 123° | 1:32 PM | May 20 / Bor 5 | LucySpace |
| The Sun | 74.4° 158.7° | 2:07 PM | May 20 / Bor 5 | LucySpace |
| The Sun | 52.3° 257.1° | 5:29 PM | May 20 / Bor 5 | LucySpace |
| The Sun | 46.1° 262.6° | 5:35 PM | May 20 / Bor 5 | LucySpace |
- On a side note, we need all 16 (8 for each) large telescope versions of the pictures for the phases of ronald and grimace --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 17:00, 19 May 2006 (CDT)
- There's no difference between the Ron/Grim pictures we have so far, so I think it's just 8. —Dentarthurdent(T,C) 11:23, 20 May 2006 (CDT)
- My additions to the sun are Central Daylight Time minus an hour; I didn't consider the effects of daylight time. Subtract another hour? Add an hour? Not sure.. LucySpace 18:08, 20 May 2006 (CDT)
- CDT is two hours ahead of MST. Subtract another hour. —Dentarthurdent(T,C) 02:26, 22 May 2006 (CDT)
Discovery Time Inconsistency
Since the discovery times are dependant on your time zone settings, we need to pick one time zone and be conistent. (If people have even bothered to change it and then check to see if it's accurate (send a kmail to yourself and see if the time lines up with your computer's, else tweak.)) They are currently all mixed-n-matched. Should be go EST like everything always seems to be noted in, or just go UTC/GMT so no one can complain? Or just drop it and leave the day? --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 16:52, 20 May 2006 (CDT)
- Note even though I'm eastern and am currently UTC/GMT -4 hours, I have to set it as -2 in KoL for kmails to myself to have the correct timestamp. For some odd reason, KoL seems to think UTC/GMT time occurs two hours before it really does. --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 17:02, 20 May 2006 (CDT)
- Almost half of them are in EST already....I think we should go with that.--SomeStranger (Talk | Contribs) 16:57, 20 May 2006 (CDT)
- Technically, the whole eastern zone is currently in EDT (-4). EST is -5. And the Kol settings are two hours off.--JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 17:02, 20 May 2006 (CDT)
- I suppose EST would work although I'd personally prefer UTC/GMT. There ought to be some wiki tools for display times correctly, but google says no.--Dehstil 17:04, 20 May 2006 (CDT)
- You can change your zone in Special:Preferences, so the edit times show up accurately for you, but still that does nothing for text entered dates. --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 17:08, 20 May 2006 (CDT)
References
I added "subjects" for the references to be placed in, as having all those references arbitrarily scattered was difficult to read and sort through. If you want to add a reference, whack it into its specific topic. And I mustn't forget to sign my post. --rkMerafel 06:28, 21 May 2006 (CDT)
Space Cowboy
My time here has taught me that many editors here are too young, or something, to understand some of these references, and will replace them or put addendums of popular things you all understand that are not what the game is referencing at all. I argue that the Cowboy Bebop reference "possibility" should not be re-added. Jick makes references very deliberately. I originally thought this was some obscure reference to the line from "The Joker" before I remembered Jamiroquai, but if he had meant that, there would be some extra line about Maurice, instead of about herb brownies. If he had meant Bebop, there would be an extra line about that. But with 1. Funk, 2. Space Cowboys and 3. the "cannabis apology" it's not a reference to anything but the Jamiroquai song. There's some point in leaving in the Joker info, because neither Cowboy Bebop nor Jamiroquai would use those words together if not for Steve Millers. Yes, it's a famous line even if you haven't heard it. Lotusduck 05:56, 23 May 2006 (CDT)
Possibly some mention should be made to the name malcolm, IE. Malcolm reynolds, the "space cowboy" from firefly and serenity.--Catkiller 20:58, 30 May 2006 (CDT)
Added the Malcolm reference (nice catch, Catkiller. I didn't notice that until you mentioned it). Moved the Cowboy Bebop reference, which was just floating around by itself, cold and lonely, wanting to be with the rest of the Space Cowboy reference information. I really don't think it's a Jamiroquai reference--everything looks like The Joker references to me. So I used the wonderful power of Wikipedia to make sure I got my way and took out the Jamiroquai refs. So there! --Allanc 15:23, 1 June 2006 (CDT)
Old enough to know both Steve Miller and Jamiroquai refs, Lotusduck, and this is definitely a reference to Bebop, given the phrasing of the last sentence. It's too dead on. Yes, Malcom is almost definitely from Firely, and Maurice makes the SM ref obvious, but neither source (nor Jamiroquai) uses the phrase "See You Space Cowboy" which is a distinctive Bebop phrase.DJ Harp 01:45, 11 December 2006 (CST)DJ Harp
Comet
Will the comet smash into Grimace and make the moon cycles much more difficult to predict? Or will it just disapear (check image url, and change "comet1" into "comet2"). --Twopeak 08:48, 26 May 2006 (CDT)
The comet2.gif is for compact mode, that's all.--Someone Else 10:37, 26 May 2006 (CDT)
- It seems likely that the comet will smash into Grimace, given the "catastrophe" mentioned by the astronomer when you view Grimace, and the fact that such an event was mentioned on J&S's radio show ... --Gothhenge 10:42, 26 May 2006 (CDT)
There is another possibility with the comet. It may not directly hit Grimace, but might only move its path to crash into the Kingdom. The moon would crumble in the atmosphere, and the remnants would destroy at least one building. Also, Grimace and the comet were about 1.5 inches, or 4 centimeters, apart, in the tooltip, as of this message. --Ymiherer 17:04, 26 May 2006 (EDT)
Anybody notice what happens when you click on the discoverer of the comet? --rburp
- Interesting idea. --Fwahobadagadz
I'd like to speculate that the comet may collide with a moon on 6/6/06. Doesn't this seem likely? -Fwahobadagadz 20:07, 27 May 2006 (CDT)
As of this message, the comet and Grimace, shown in the tooltip, are only 1 inch apart. This change from two days ago suggests that the comet will near Grimace on June 1. From the last post in this discussion, this suggests that the "catastrophe" should happen on June 6, or on June 2, which is the 66th day of the KoL calendar. --Ymiherer 17:20, 28 May 2006 (EDT)
Now, in the tooltip, the comet and Grimace are about 0.75 inches apart. This change in speed changes the expected pass-by of the comet to Grimace to June 5, not June 1. --Ymiherer 21:21, 30 May 2006 (EDT)
Viewing the location of the comet does not allow for distance; it's possible the comet will continue on its path behind the moons. However, I sort of doubt this is likely. --LucySpace 21:09, 30 May 2006 (CDT)
"The June Item of the Month will, most likely, be a day or two late. You'll understand why when it is available." Hmmmm. --Calair 19:40, 31 May 2006 (CDT)
It's going to be a magical space familiar! From space! On the comet! Maybe! Who Knows! --Cwitz 23:28, 31 May 2006 (CDT)
Or maybe it will help to protect you against some sort of freaky radiation from the comet... or maybe its just something thats really cool, and it needs a couple extra days for debugging purposes.--Anmbia 01:25, 1 June 2006 (CDT)
The tooltip only shows the comet as 1/8 of an inch away from Grimace now. Expect the impact during rollover tonight. There is currently no connection between the Astral Badger and the comet, but people are speculating that the Badger could prevent any effects that would likely harm an individual during rollover. --Ymiherer 20:51, 2 June 2006 (EDT)
Lucy
The article says that "Lucy" references the following:
"The Beatles song, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, which was written by John Lennon, and not Elton John. It also refers to Yoko Ono, the so-called "fifth Beatle," as an "astronomer's ex-girlfriend" who "used to drive him crazy".
Then there are some references to the skeleton, Lucy Lawless, I Love Lucy, and Lucy van Pelt. I understand the those four. I get the Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds by the Beatles. But what I DON'T get is Yoko Ono and Elton John. Okay, fine, the Elton John was probably just left in as a correction. But Yoko Ono? How does she get into this reference? I am stumped. I asked all my clannies. There was one who said "well, it's a possible reference, I can kind of see it," but the others agreed with me in being unable to find where the Yoko Ono reference was coming from. One even stated, "oko is the girlfriend who is said to have broken up the Beatles....the only thing is she was never an ex." What the heck is Yoko Ono doing in a this reference? Who cares that she was the "fifth Beatle"? I mean, I feel it makes more sense to have me in there than Yoko Ono! --LucySpace 13:23, 3 June 2006 (CDT)
It was probably just some overzealous reference-citer thinking he saw something there without any real supporting info. You get that all the time on the wiki... I took it out for now. --Hellion 14:31, 3 June 2006 (CDT)
Okay, thanks. I might have overreacted to that. I don't think it bothered me before, just particularly right now. So Hellion, you gonna put me in as a ref? WINK WINK! --LucySpace 14:38, 3 June 2006 (CDT)
Reversed moon descriptions--mistake?
I was reading up on all the nice objects and constellations that I missed seeing during the observatories' existence, and I noticed this under the Grimace description:
"Due to its influence on magical energy, ancient scholars called it Magicus Gluteus, or 'The Wizard's Moon'."
But the Mysticality-beneficial moon is Ronald! Do you think this was an intentional/unintentional mistake on Jick and company's behalf? --'Ivan 22:59, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
Antipode
- Did the reason behind Antipode not getting two badges have anything to do with "Jick not thinking anyone would do that"? That doesn't sound right.--Dehstil (t|c) 18:16, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
Sinister Dodecahedron
The "Sinister Dodecahedron" could be a reference to the space station used in the PC game Elite. In this game there were 2 types of space stations, Dodecahedrons and Cubes. The graph is an exact replica of the first type of station. --Suicide_TVS 11:47, 19 December 2006 (CST)
- i'd say that was coincidence, given that there aren't that many platonic solids. although i'm sure i heard jick say he'd played elite. --Evilkolbot 11:51, 19 December 2006 (CST)
Misc.
Added the Tasty Planet reference --Xsmootx 09:09, 14 September 2007 (CDT)
