Talk:The Table
Right, so I'm working on getting this thing spaded. I've collected 243 jars, a ton of combat items, and made a spreadsheet of what needs to be eaten ( The Table ). I'll be hiring people after Rollover to eat meals for me, so we'll have this figured out soon. --Cannonfire40 00:43, 27 January 2013 (CET)
Meal results
- You've made a poignant plate of scrambled eggs. (whisk on eggs)
- You've made some truly avant garde novelty toast. (cookie cutter on bread)
- Despite your best efforts, one of the dishes you made isn't as arty or edible as you'd like. (cookie cutter on potatoes)
- You've decided regular bacon is too mainstream and made some Canadian bacon. (butter knife on meat)
- You've upended traditional art theory to make a pancake. (spatula on the cake mix)
You gain 1132 Muscleboundness. You gain a Muscle point! You gain 1025 Mysteriousness. You gain a Mysticality point! You gain 2384 Chutzpah. You gain some Moxie points! You gain 108 hit points. You gain 6 Muscularity Points.
I was level 26 at the time, 633 muscle before eating, 434 myst, 435? moxie. +10% muscle from moon. Discordance 23:48, 3 January 2013 (CET)
- Results from Scrambled Eggs, French Toast, Bacon, Biscuits, Home-Style Potatoes:
- You gain 9651 Fortitude.
- You gain some Muscle points!
Level is 31, mainstat is Mysticality with a base of 957. --Sel Ibrix 07:28, 4 January 2013 (CET)
- Well I suspect each dish is providing a similiar scaled amount of stats, and each dish is tied to a specific stat. Can someone remake sels meal to confirm these are muscle foods. Also nice find sel. Discordance 16:20, 6 January 2013 (CET)
level 42 (thanks, crimbo), mainstat MY 1706/1712:
- You gain 1335 Fortitude.
- You gain 4164 Sarcasm.
i guess this is only usefull if you know what i made. damn. next time. --Evilkolbot 13:48, 5 January 2013 (CET)
Level 33, with scrambled eggs, french toast, mashed potatoes, bacon, and waffles:
- You gain 4621 Beefiness.
- You gain 1366 Mysteriousness.
- You gain 1630 Sarcasm.
post-facto: muscle: 849 (690), mysticality: 1427 (1042), and moxie: 853 (694).
I'm suspecting you get 1000-2000 pts for each successful dish, with some mapping between dishes and mus/mys/mox. E.g., based on Sel Ibrix's results and not contradicting anything else on this page so far:
| Dish | Stat |
|---|---|
| biscuits | muscle |
| novelty toast | |
| sausage patties | |
| toast | |
| Canadian bacon | |
| homestyle potatoes | muscle |
| pancake | |
| fried egg | |
| bacon | muscle |
| french toast | muscle |
| hardboiled egg | |
| baked potato | |
| waffles | |
| scrambled eggs | muscle |
| mashed potatoes |
--Fig bucket 16:32, 6 January 2013 (CET)
- I said as much above, I agree that certain meal items are given a type of stat. But the stats are scaling, someone did this at the lower levels and the stat gains were much lower in the hundreds. Discordance 20:28, 6 January 2013 (CET)
- Side Note: It appears that each food item works with three of the utensils, and some rough math (that could be wrong) seems to tell me that there are 243 possible GOOD meals that DO NOT involve repeating any utensils.
- I suppose the things to spade are A> all the possible meals with no failed items, and B> what if you only use a specific tool over and over as in make a whole meal using just butter knives? B will obviously go faster...
- Just using the butterknife does not give a sword. Figured it sounded too obvious, but someone had to try it, right?--AtGNAT 20:22, 9 January 2013 (CET)
- It really looks like all the other jars have a super-secret-ultra-Sword in them somewhere some how. Any leads on getting a sword out of our breakfast?--TiwazTyrsfist 04:02, 7 January 2013 (CET)
- fried egg, novelty toast, baked potato, Canadian bacon, waffles, Level 30 DB, mainstat 883:
You gain 8039 Smarm. You gain some Moxie points!
So, my guess is that the stats go:
| batter | bread | eggs | meat | potatoes | |
| cutter | mus | mox | mys | ||
| knife | mys | mox | mus | ||
| spatula | mys | mox | mus | ||
| torch | mus | mys | mox | ||
| whisk | mox | mus | mys |
I was hoping that eating an all-mainstat breakfast might do something special, but I guess not. --Clopedion 05:10, 7 January 2013 (CET)
- You've made a poignant plate of scrambled eggs. (Egg + Whisk)
- You've pushed the boundaries of what the mainstream considers french toast. (Bread + Torch)
- You've subtly hinted at the dark underpinnings of suburban life with homestyle potatoes. (Potato + Knife)
- You've given in to your populist urges and made some bacon. (Meat + Spatula)
- You've ironically winked at the concept of home cooking by making a biscuit. (Batter + Cutter)
- Resulted in 2379 Muscle gain, at level 15 (kicked me over level 16), no other effects--TiwazTyrsfist 23:59, 7 January 2013 (CET)
- I did the mysticality foods today:
- You've made an egg as hardboiled as the jaded facade you present to the world.
- You've made a subtly ironic piece of toast.
- You've thumbed your nose at the mainstream by making mashed potatoes for breakfast.
- You've made some deeply symbolic sausage patties.
- You've upended traditional art theory to make a pancake.
- You gain 4804 Mysteriousness.
The moxie foods gave me 8039 substats, so maybe it scales differently for different stats. --Clopedion 02:13, 9 January 2013 (CET)
- And the muscle foods:
- You've made a poignant plate of scrambled eggs.
- You've pushed the boundaries of what the mainstream considers french toast.
- You've subtly hinted at the dark underpinnings of suburban life with homestyle potatoes.
- You've given in to your populist urges and made some bacon.
- You've ironically winked at the concept of home cooking by making a biscuit.
- You gain 5871 Strengthliness.
Maybe there's just a lot of variance in the stats. I still haven't gotten any effects or swords, so I'm going to try the last ten combinations next. --Clopedion 05:03, 9 January 2013 (CET)
- Well, it's not "Eat all 25 food/utensil combinations". I'm going to try to spade the stat gains and "My Breakfast with Andrea"
- You've made a poignant plate of scrambled eggs.
- You've pushed the boundaries of what the mainstream considers french toast.
- You've subtly hinted at the dark underpinnings of suburban life with homestyle potatoes.
- You've given in to your populist urges and made some bacon.
- You've upended traditional art theory to make a pancake.
- You gain 5420 Beefiness.(mongoose sign)
- You gain 1391 Mysteriousness.
Didn't get any effects. Lvl 30 DB, mainstat 899 --Clopedion 05:03, 12 January 2013 (CET)
- It's definitely not a straight +mainstat per meal. Just made a dish of Novelty Toast (Bread + Cutter, Moxie), Biscuits (Batter + Cutter, Muscle), Scrambled Eggs (Eggs + Whisk, Mysticality), Sausage Patties (Meat + Cutter, Mysticality), and Mashed Potatoes (Potato + Whisk, Moxie). WIth Mainstat of 965, I received 4,079 Muscularity (4.22x mainstat), 3,244 Mysticality (3.36x mainstat), and 1,105 Moxie (1.14x mainstat). It's possible that this is just variance (1x-2x mainstat per portion), but it could also be that each meal has its own "quality." --Sel Ibrix 11:55, 21 January 2013 (CET)
- I think Potato/Whisk is Myst and Eggs/Whisk is Mus, so that's 2 muscle, 2 myst, and 1 mox. Are you a muscle moon sign? That might explain why you gained 4.22x mainstat Mus points. My data so far suggest that it's between 1-2x mainstat for every food, possibly capping at mainstat 1000 or so, but I don't have much data above 1000. It's possible that there's some sort of food quality going on, but that seems tricky to test. Maybe eat one particular mus, mys, and mox food each day and see whether they have different distributions?
--Clopedion 02:08, 22 January 2013 (CET)
- You've made an egg as hardboiled as the jaded facade you present to the world.
- You've made a subtly ironic piece of toast.
- You've thumbed your nose at the mainstream by making mashed potatoes for breakfast.
- You've made some deeply symbolic sausage patties.
- You've upended traditional art theory to make a pancake.
- You gain 7404 Mysteriousness. (mongoose, L42P;1275,1742,1237) --Evilkolbot 15:04, 12 January 2013 (CET)
- Alright, I tried making the suggested "Really Good Meal" and DID NOT get the "My breakfast with Andrea" effect.
- Bacon (Meat + Spatula)
- Pancakes (Batter + Spatula)
- Scrambled Eggs (Eggs + Whisk)
- Toast (Bread + Knife)
- Homestyle Potatoes (Potatoes + Knife)
- I recieved only 190 Strongness and 107 Moxie (L6 Pastamancer 31/39/27)
--TiwazTyrsfist 17:37, 13 January 2013 (CET)
- I just took another look at the forum thread, and it looks like maybe it was supposed to be Canadian bacon rather than regular bacon. I edited the page.--Clopedion 03:41, 14 January 2013 (CET)
- Huh. I wonder how to get the effect, then.
- You've created a masterful fried egg.
- You've pushed the boundaries of what the mainstream considers french toast.
- You've subtly hinted at the dark underpinnings of suburban life with homestyle potatoes.
- You've made some deeply symbolic sausage patties.
- You've really pushed the boundaries of metaphor to make some waffles.
2813 mus, 1743 mys, 3032 mox, at mainstat 903. --Clopedion 18:40, 13 January 2013 (CET)
idle speculation
So I see this new message: "Your meal is delicious, but true art isn't repetitive." That means the game is keeping track of what you've eaten. I smell trophy. Five cooking tools and five foods is 25 meals, if order making them is not significant, and 125 if order is significant. (If I recall my combinatorics.) Testing if order is important is probably as simple as seeing the "repetitive" message for two meals that have a different order. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 06:41, 14 January 2013 (CET)
Your idea is a bit off, 5 food types x Five tools does make 25 foods but there would then be 52625 different meals (accounting for no repeats, order does0n't matter, and only 1 of each food type per meal) now on the other hand leaving out the failed foods leaves us with 5 foods and 3 tools making 15 food types and only 243 different meals, which is where we should start focused systematic spading. --Ganomex 03:40, 15 January 2013 (CET)
Okay, today's odd thoughts.
- The Gourd Sword Truthsayer is made from very rare conditional drops from the random mobs you fight.
- The Suspiscious Guy Sword White Dragon Fang is made from something bought in the jar and something that may be pickpocket only? (or possibly just a very rare conditional drop like the Truthsayer bits).
- The Crackpot Mystic Sword Byte is made from parts acquired by massively over-killing the requirements for the Non-combats in his zones.
- The Meatsmith Sword Meatcleaver is from a Non-Combat in a zone that seems to have a base combat rate of 100% which means running full decrease combat encounter and then it STILL appears to have a built in rejection rate (much like getting the zap wand adventure used to have a 50% rejection rate).
- The Old Man's Sword Bloodbath requires finishing with 13 MORE crew than you started.
- Jick's sword Sword of Procedural Generation requires you to climb 374 floors of skeletons with the last skellies having over 1500ML...
- So, it looks to me like probably what we're looking for HERE is a rare adventure with a high rejection rate. I suggest (and will try) just spending a ton of adventures on either the drawer or grocery sack without "Cooking" the food. Try boosting non-combat if you can.--TiwazTyrsfist 23:32, 16 January 2013 (CET)
- Not sure I follow the logic to reach your conclusion. If you say the SLG sword requires a rare pickpocket, then you can say each uses a different mechanic to hide the sword. Then you could argue we should look for a seventh mechanic here, like say eating every possible meal. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 01:33, 17 January 2013 (CET)
- Sorry TiwazTyrsfist, but even after reading this twice it appears to me you're proposing that, because all the other swords use mechanics differing from each other, the artist's sword would most likely use a mechanic already utilized? That doesn't sound right. I'd rather expect it to be either the result of many different meals or a unique meal differing for each player. --Yatsufusa 12:38, 17 January 2013 (CET)
- Sometimes I say stupid things, it's the human condition. :P That aside, looking at the list of other swords, what mechanics HAVEN'T been used? I Johnny may have a good idea about trying the drawer with a TON of +ML. Any other mechanics we can try?--TiwazTyrsfist 23:02, 17 January 2013 (CET)
- I'd also like to point out that the magical battery was reported to drop without using pickpocket. (Just to avoid confusion.) --Yatsufusa 12:38, 17 January 2013 (CET)
- i'm a P at the minute and i have one. not ppo. --Evilkolbot 13:34, 17 January 2013 (CET)
As someone else pointed out on Talk:Butterknife of Regret, the Butterknife of Regret description states "not being the sharpest knife in the drawer (no, I mean literally)". Theres a good chance its in the drawer, if I had to guess though, i'd bet combat items as thats the theme of the area, possibly sharpening the butter knife or drawing the sword out. Discordance 13:40, 17 January 2013 (CET)
- Of course it could just be referring to the sharpest knife in the drawer metaphor and how it's not being used there. But its still a reasonable guess that the sword would be with the rest of the utensils, and can be explored alongside table results. Discordance 18:18, 17 January 2013 (CET)
Fighting utensils with a bunch of ML (like, +150) didn't seem to do anything interesting. (Of course, if the crackpot mystic's level is any indication, a bunch isn't good enough, you'd need a buttload.) Using utensils against stuff in the Haunted Kitchen also didn't do anything interesting. --Johnny Treehugger 19:00, 17 January 2013 (CET)
I've been trying meals that differ from the Andrea meal by just one item for the past couple days and I haven't found anything. It seems weird that there's this one meal that does something special, and maybe there's another meal that gives the sword. --Clopedion 02:37, 18 January 2013 (CET)
- Like I suggested before: If it were just a single unique meal, it would be a different one for each player. After all that trouble the other swords were, it wouldn't be as easy as typing ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A... --Yatsufusa 11:46, 18 January 2013 (CET)
- You could be right; maybe there's a sequence of meals you need to eat (especially since there's evidence that the game keeps some track of what you eat), or maybe there's something different for each player. My guess now is that maybe there are a couple of different special meals that give effects, and that maybe if you get all the effects, you get a sword. Mainly because I think it'd be kinda weird to have exactly one meal that does something special. --Clopedion 01:24, 19 January 2013 (CET)
ginsu
- people have reported eating the meals but not getting the buffs. did that really ever happen? is it a bug that's been fixed? if it does happen, is it getting the buffs that triggers the ginzu drop, or eating the meals? --Evilkolbot 14:21, 29 January 2013 (CET)
I got one each of the buffs and got the breakfast clubbed buff last, did not get the knife. I then got the andrea buff and did not get the knife. I noticed that I got andrea for 40 adventures and not the expected 20, I was overlooking that this resets on ascension. I believe that is what causes this confusion as it did for me. --Dunsel (talk) 21:21, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
