Talk:Toss

Damage

16 damage(consistent across 20 rounds) with 45 gravy fairy, lvl 20, and Muscle: 563 (367)--Gotmilk 03:02, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Clannie wanted me to add these

14 damage with 31lb baby gravy fairy vs giants, muscle: 729, running +50 ML

16 damage with 43lb rock lobster vs giants, muscle: 729, running +60 ML

16 damage with 50lb Syncopated Turtle vs hobos, muscle: 735 running +60ML

16 damage with 55lb exotic bird vs giants, muscle: 729, running +60 ML

17 damage with 60lb hobo monkey vs giants, muscle: 670, running +10ML

17 damage with 70lb hobo monkey vs giants, muscle: 670, running +10ML

18 damage with 71lb hobo monkey vs giants, muscle: 670, running +10ML

18 damage with 76lb hobo monkey vs giants, muscle: 760, running +10ML

18 damage with 80lb exotic parrot vs giants, muscle: 760, running +10ML

18 damage with 81lb exotic parrot vs giants, muscle: 760, running +10ML

18 damage with 82lb exotic parrot vs giants, muscle: 760, running +10ML

18 damage with 83lb exotic parrot vs giants, muscle: 760, running +10ML

18 damage with 84lb exotic parrot vs giants, muscle: 760, running +10ML

18 damage with 85lb exotic parrot vs giants, muscle: 749, running +10ML

Looks like the formula on the main page is accurate thus far, if it continues to be so 88lbs should yield 19 damage. --Spiny Twizzler 08:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

14 damage consistent (over 6 rounds with differing monster level) w/ a 28lb volleyball as a TT. (Muscle 131). I want to say damage = weight/2, but that doesn't fit with the previous posting.--Gaccm 04:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I was getting 15 with a 33 pound houndog. Maybe it has to do with base weight? or maybe it's a range of weights for each point of damage. --Chunky_boo 04:24, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

14 damage consistent with 28lb frozen fairy. Muscle: 159(143) Yvain 04:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

14 consistent damage with a 23 lb (base 13) pound Stab-bat. It did 13 damage at base 12 lbs.--HalcyonUmbra 04:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

It appears to be constant damage independent of familar only depending on weight. Here is all previous research plus my spading in a table.

Weight	6	7	9	10	12	13	23	25	28	31	33	43	45	50	55	60	70	71	76	85
Damage	9	10	11	11	13	13	14	14	14	14	15	16	16	16	16	17	17	18	18	18

Yvain 05:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC), Edited to include data I inputted at the top of the page--Spiny Twizzler 21:47, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

4 damage each time when using a 1lb Buddy Box. I'll go out on a limb and say that's the minimum damage value.--Psynn 05:22, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

More data (which seems to not 100% consistent with earlier (maybe I've misread a number somewhere):

Weight	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	13	14
Damage	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	11	11	12	12	12

Yvain 09:07, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Based on the limited spading the formula may be: Levels 1 to 6: dmg = lvl + 3 Levels 7+ : dmg = 10 + floor(sqrt(lvl-7)) More data needed. Yvain 10:56, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

lvl30 toothsome rock, did consistent 14 damage to the penguins. --Plater (t|c) 13:15, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

35lb leprechaun consistently does 15 damage. --Mud Man 21:59, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

14 dmg with a 30lb mosquito, 13 with a 17lb volleyball. Also, 3 with no familiar (level 8, 73 muscle(61 unboosted)) --Littlebeast 02:26, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

• Does the skill have an image? What is it, add it, etc. --Unnatural20 03:37, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I keep getting 3 dmg without a familiar as a level 2 Turtle tamer. This matches Littlebeast, so I'm putting it on the page. --JeffAMcGee 23:25, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I've spaded every weight from 1 to 25 and it agrees with the formula I listed above so I'm going to add it to the page. I'm going to continue spading higher weights but they are harder to achieve. Any further data in the 25+ weight range is greatly appreciated. The following weights would be great to confirm where damage changes over: 31 lbs vs 32 lbs, 42 lbs vs 43 lbs, 55 lbs vs 56 lbs, 70lbs vs 71 lbs. Yvain 01:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I believe that the Untamed Turtle gets an unspecified damage bonus from this skill. My 26 lb one deals 16 damage when the formula states it should do 14. Possibly goes up two tiers in damage? Or it could have a different formula. --Kamui Hyuga 09:35, 14 August 2011 (CEST)

• It's far more likely that you're actually a Turtle Tamer right now, using the Untamed Turtle, which is a nemesis quest familiar, which get +2 pounds of effectiveness per player level, up to a maximum of +20 pounds. --RoyalTonberry 09:42, 14 August 2011 (CEST)
• Ah, that was it. Did checking while it was 32 lbs and it still did 16 damage, I was a Lv 10 Turtle Tamer during both instances. Sorry for the error, nice that it applies for things such as that, assume it works similarly for the other Nemesis familiars too. Doubt that's worthy of a note on the pages though. --Kamui Hyuga 09:54, 14 August 2011 (CEST)

Reference

Calling "Go <familiar name>!" a pokeman reference seems very questionable to me. And there's disagreement between some other editors. Thoughts and opinions? --Flargen 16:48, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

• I'd say not a reference. If it were a reference, I'd think it would be at the front of the message. It's always "Go <name>!" and then you lob them. --MoreUmlaut 17:10, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
  • The image looks to me like a ball, as well as depending on the speed of the text it doesn't alway say go then throw it does throw then the go if the text is slow enough. --Chunky_boo 18:15, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
    • Looks like a rock to me. And what do you mean by "if the text is slow enough"?? If I'm interpreting that correctly, that's just an issue of connection speed and latency. But I'm not sure how that's even a valid interpretation. --Flargen 23:36, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
      • I am talking about the pokemon game itself, in reference to MoreUmlaut's comment about saying then throwing. --Chunky_boo 01:00, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
        • • Doesn't seem pokemon-ish to me at all. maybe if it were "I choose you <familiar name", but it isn't. I'd say it really oughta be removed.--Alabit 10:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
            • It totally is a pokemon reference. Ever play the original games? Go, <pokemon name> is the standard text. I choose you is just anime wankery.--Brion thenotgiant 19:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
• Removed the reference. The Category:Needs Review page says "When attempting to fix any references listed here, a discussion should first take place in its talk page to assure that more than one member of the community has similar sentiments." Doesn't say we need a consensus, it just says we need at least two people who agree... —Preceding unsigned comment added by GodSka (talk • contribs) on 10:12, 29 April 2009
  1. consensus is always better.
  2. sign your posts. --Evilkolbot 11:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

It is so badly a pokemon reference tacked on the end of a lord of the rings reference, it doesn't have to be one or the other. Having played the games and been subject to Go Pikachu! for hours on end the connection between throwing your familiar and shouting Go <name> is obvious. Adding it back as I see no good reasons disproving it just its at the end of the sentence, and you don't think it is. Discordance 14:24, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

1. There is a consensus among the admins, who have played the game long enough to know what Jick/Skully generally use as references.
2. This is just like the rock snake. People want to see Pokemon for some reason. (J&S said the snake is not pokemon on their radio show) --CG1:t,c,e 16:24, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

• Not good enough for me. Unless J&S say its not pokemon I can see no other good reason for it being in the attack message. I've played the game for 5 years just because its not referenced elsewhere doesn't mean in this one instance they didn't. Restoring it until you come up with real counter arguments. Discordance 00:40, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Did'nt revert after seeing all the previous reversions. However admin consensus does not trump user consensus. You're here to manage the wiki not overrule other peoples opinions. Discordance 00:44, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
    • Yeah, watch out for the three revert rule. Also, there is no user consensus. It's You, Chuncky Boo, and BriantheNotGiant vs. 3 admins, More Umlaut, Alabit, and GodSka. Which is 3 vs. 6. 6 being the side with the admins and against pokemon. I'm sorry if I was passing on the impression that admin consensus trumps all, but that wasn't the intention. --CG1:t,c,e 21:35, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
      • having a banhammer helps quite a lot. three admins does mostly beat three users, but i hope we'd try not to be dicks about it. in this case three things apply:
        1. six users does indeed beat three users
        2. it's not up to us to provide proof that there's no reference but you to prove there is
        3. this is dead, unless you've got new evidence, drop it already --Evilkolbot 22:22, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
        4. oh, and that's at least four reverts, so watch it --Evilkolbot 22:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Familiar action

I think it's worth mentioning in the Notes section that if you toss your familiar, it can still act that round, or at least my NPZR did.--Knobula 20:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I would think the opposite would be true. If it acts, nothing's changed. It's only really noting if it changes the normal.--Toffile 21:23, 4 January 2009 (UTC)