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is there an advantage to using high-difficulty planets if all you want is to follow a quest-chain? if not, can we always use planets starting with A as they are found? --[[User:Evilkolbot|Evilkolbot]] ([[User talk:Evilkolbot|talk]]) 11:31, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

*It seems to me that for a guide it'd be safer to use lower than Z level at least...  For the baby quest chain I was able to get Please Baby Baby Please at the planet MELONIA .--[[User:Watermoon|Watermoon]] ([[User talk:Watermoon|talk]]) 01:56, 13 May 2017 (UTC)


I have yet to see anybody mention on the forums that higher level planets cause you to get more language percentage, you still get less space rocks though.--[[User:Tombot|Tombot]] ([[User talk:Tombot|talk]]) 16:55, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure where this is worth bringing up in the guide, but there are items that reduce your current fullness and and drunkeness that seems to be drops from the plants and animals, possibly by using the zoological and botanical kits. These seem to be very rare drops and its not entirely clear how you get them, I believe its called somthing like 'Alien milk' and 'Alien spore' but the damned search is having none of it.--[[User:Tombot|Tombot]] ([[User talk:Tombot|talk]]) 13:22, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

N.B.  The Major/Minor Goals table recommends ZIWTWNB for Intelligent Aliens/Murderbots; however, ZIWTWNB is actually 19 rock NCs and a baby book, [http://forums.kingdomofloathing.com/vb/showthread.php?p=4923909&highlight=ZIWTWNB#post4923909 as documented in the forums] (and just experienced by me).  I guess the whole table has to be considered suspect.  --[[User:Clovis Sangrail|Clovis Sangrail]] ([[User talk:Clovis Sangrail|talk]]) 05:42, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
==Optimal Skillbook Acquisition==
The following tables illustrate the expected number of days it will take to obtain each skillbook key, under various schemes.
{| cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" border="1px" style="margin-top: .5em"
|- style="background-color:#EFEFEF;"
! [[Space Pirate Astrogation Handbook]]
! colspan="12" | Probability of obtaining "key" on day n
! 
|- style="background-color:#EFEFEF;"
! Days of [[Land Ho]]
! 1
! 2
! 3
! 4
! 5
! 6
! 7
! 8
! 9
! 10
! 11
! 12
! Expected # of days
|----
| 1
! 0
! {{#expr:0.1 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.135 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.153 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.153 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.1377 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.112455 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.083538 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.05638815 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.034459425 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.01895268375 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.00930404475 round 3}}
! {{#expr:5.519562722 round 3}}
|----
| 2
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:0.2 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.2 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.18 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.147 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.1092 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.07371 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.045045 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.02477475 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.01216215 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.005270265 round 3}}
! {{#expr:5.424264996 round 3}}
|----
| 3
! 0
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:0.3 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.245 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.182 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.12285 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.075075 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.04129125 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.02027025 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.00873775 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.0033108075 round 3}}
! {{#expr:5.707108327 round 3}}
|----
| 4
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:0.4 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.27 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.165 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.09075 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.04455 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.019305 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.0072765 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.002338875 round 3}}
! {{#expr:6.213424895 round 3}}
|----
| 5
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:0.5 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.275 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.135 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.0585 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.02205 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.0070875 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.00189 round 3}}
! {{#expr:6.858863317 round 3}}
|----
| 6
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:0.6 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.26 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.098 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.0315 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.0084 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.001785 round 3}}
! {{#expr:7.594948075 round 3}}
|----
| 7
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:0.7 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.225 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.06 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.01275 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.002025 round 3}}
! {{#expr:8.39248625 round 3}}
|----
| 8
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:0.8 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.17 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.027 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.00285 round 3}}
! {{#expr:9.23315 round 3}}
|----
| 9
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:0.9 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.095 round 3}}
! {{#expr:0.005 round 3}}
! {{#expr:10.105 round 3}}
|----
| 10
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 1
! 0
! 11
|}
Thus it is "best" to start taking the test after 2 days of [[Land Ho]]. Probability and expectation values were computed exactly. Some schemes have a (very small) chance of taking >12 days.

The following assumes that you can obtain 5 [[ Murderbot data core]] from [[Recovering the Satellite]] on day 1. Example planet: THEAPES.
{| cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" border="1px" style="margin-top: .5em"
|- style="background-color:#EFEFEF;"
! [[Non-Euclidean Finance]]
! colspan="8" | Probability of obtaining "key" on day n
! 
! 
|- style="background-color:#EFEFEF;"
! Days of [[That's No Moonlith, it's a Monolith!]]
! 1 (Obtain cores)
! 2
! 3
! 4
! 5
! 6
! 7
! 8
! Expected # of days
! Effective expected # of days
|----
| 1
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:(1/5) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(1/5)*(4/5) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(1/5)*(4/5)^2 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(1/5)*(4/5)^3 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(1/5)*(4/5)^4 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(1/5)*(4/5)^5 round 3}}
! {{#expr:7 round 3}}
! {{#expr:6.2 round 3}}
|----
| 2
! 0
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:(2/5) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(2/5)*(3/5) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(2/5)*(3/5)^2 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(2/5)*(3/5)^3 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(2/5)*(3/5)^4 round 3}}
! {{#expr:5.5 round 3}}
! {{#expr:4.9 round 3}}
|----
| 3
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:(3/5) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(3/5)*(2/5) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(3/5)*(2/5)^2 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(3/5)*(2/5)^3 round 3}}
! {{#expr:5.66667 round 3}}
! {{#expr:5.26667 round 3}}
|----
| 4
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:(4/5) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(4/5)*(1/5) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(4/5)*(1/5)^2 round 3}}
! {{#expr:6.25 round 3}}
! {{#expr:6.05 round 3}}
|----
| 5
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:1 round 3}}
! 0
! {{#expr:7 round 3}}
! {{#expr:7 round 3}}
|}
Here it is "best" to start testing after 2 conversions. If you plan to do multiple runs, the final column shows the effective rate when you factor in that you have leftover cores for the next run. E.g. you only used 1 [[Murderbot data core]] so you only used "1/5" of a day.

To obtain the final skillbook, I am assuming you don't buy any [[Space Baby children's book]].
{| cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" border="1px" style="margin-top: .5em"
|- style="background-color:#EFEFEF;"
! [[Peek-a-Boo!]]
! colspan="12" | Probability of obtaining "key" on day n
! 
! 
|- style="background-color:#EFEFEF;"
! Days of [[Time Enough at Last]]
! 1 
! 2
! 3
! 4
! 5
! 6
! 7
! 8
! 9
! 10
! 11
! 12
! Expected # of days adventuring
! Expected # of days buying
|----
| 1
! 0
! {{#expr:(1/10) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(1/10)*(9/10) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(1/10)*(9/10)^2 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(1/10)*(9/10)^3 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(1/10)*(9/10)^4 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(1/10)*(9/10)^5 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(1/10)*(9/10)^6 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(1/10)*(9/10)^7 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(1/10)*(9/10)^8 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(1/10)*(9/10)^9 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(1/10)*(9/10)^(10) round 3}}
! {{#expr:1+10/1 round 3}}
! {{#expr:10/1 round 3}}
|----
| 2
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:(2/10) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(2/10)*(8/10) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(2/10)*(8/10)^2 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(2/10)*(8/10)^3 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(2/10)*(8/10)^4 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(2/10)*(8/10)^5 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(2/10)*(8/10)^6 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(2/10)*(8/10)^7 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(2/10)*(8/10)^8 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(2/10)*(8/10)^9 round 3}}
! {{#expr:2+10/2 round 3}}
! {{#expr:10/2 round 3}}
|----
| 3
! 0
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:(3/10) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(3/10)*(7/10) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(3/10)*(7/10)^2 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(3/10)*(7/10)^3 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(3/10)*(7/10)^4 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(3/10)*(7/10)^5 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(3/10)*(7/10)^6 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(3/10)*(7/10)^7 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(3/10)*(7/10)^8 round 3}}
! {{#expr:3+10/3 round 3}}
! {{#expr:10/3 round 3}}
|----
| 4
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:(4/10) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(4/10)*(6/10) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(4/10)*(6/10)^2 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(4/10)*(6/10)^3 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(4/10)*(6/10)^4 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(4/10)*(6/10)^5 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(4/10)*(6/10)^6 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(4/10)*(6/10)^7 round 3}}
! {{#expr:4+10/4 round 3}}
! {{#expr:10/4 round 3}}
|----
| 5
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:(5/10) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(5/10)*(5/10) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(5/10)*(5/10)^2 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(5/10)*(5/10)^3 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(5/10)*(5/10)^4 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(5/10)*(5/10)^5 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(5/10)*(5/10)^6 round 3}}
! {{#expr:5+10/5 round 3}}
! {{#expr:10/5 round 3}}
|----
| 6
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:(6/10) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(6/10)*(4/10) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(6/10)*(4/10)^2 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(6/10)*(4/10)^3 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(6/10)*(4/10)^4 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(6/10)*(4/10)^5 round 3}}
! {{#expr:6+10/6 round 3}}
! {{#expr:10/6 round 3}}
|----
| 7
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:(7/10) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(7/10)*(3/10) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(7/10)*(3/10)^2 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(7/10)*(3/10)^3 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(7/10)*(3/10)^4 round 3}}
! {{#expr:7+10/7 round 3}}
! {{#expr:10/7 round 3}}
|----
| 8
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:(8/10) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(8/10)*(2/10) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(8/10)*(2/10)^2 round 3}}
! {{#expr:(8/10)*(2/10)^3 round 3}}
! {{#expr:8+10/8 round 3}}
! {{#expr:10/8 round 3}}
|----
| 9
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! {{#expr:(9/10) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(9/10)*(1/10) round 3}}
! {{#expr:(9/10)*(1/10)^2 round 3}}
! {{#expr:9+10/9 round 3}}
! {{#expr:10/9 round 3}}
|----
| 10
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 0
! 1
! 0
! {{#expr:10+10/10 round 3}}
! {{#expr:10/10 round 3}}
|}
Every [[Space Baby children's book]] that you buy from [[The Mall of Loathing]] reduces the expected day count by 1. So it may seem "best" to start testing after 3 days, but it may depend on the price of books in the mall. Assuming an average of 7 days (6 to obtain the key, 1 to use it) to obtain each skillbook and an average mall price of 1.2M for each skillbook, a day is worth 171K. Thus if a [[Space Baby children's book]] costs <171K*(3.33-2.5)=142K, it is worth it to buy an extra book from the mall to speed the acquisition of [[Peek-a-Boo!]].
[[User:Skullrock|Skullrock]] ([[User talk:Skullrock|talk]]) 23:02, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

==portable spacegate==
The portable spacegate is not a 1 day ticket. It creates a quest item that is lost on rollover or ascension that lets you spend 20 adventures on a random planet. It does not, however, give access to the spacegate facility. This means no shop, no buffs, no turning in stuff for research. Just exploring a random planet. {{unsigned|Taltamir}}