Talk:17-ball

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Spading project proposal

I still think it's not an ultra-rare, because of its lack of animation despite having a unique image, but rather a conditional drop (kinda like how the Goblin King drops different equipment depending on the MCD setting).

I thought of a possible theory: It only has a random chance to drop if you have an exact amount of +ML. Maybe 17 or 42 (Hitchhiker's Guide reference, like the item description). And it has a really low drop rate (similar to clockwork keys) and only drops once per ascension.

So, if we could get a bunch of people to try farming at different +ML levels (mostly Myst signs, for access to the smurf for fine-tuning), we might be able to see who gets it first (if anyone does), and then have everybody try farming at that +ML to check this hypothesis.

--Poochy 20:07, 4 December 2006 (CST)

  • I'm in, I have a bunch of adventures to burn, but have a limited supply of meat. so let me know what you want me to do. My in game name is the same as here, so if you let me know through that, I'll respond a lot faster. --Kaldra 17:49, 12 January 2007 (CST)
  • Sorry what does +ML mean? --Silnan Tol 08:40, 6 February 2007 (CST)
  • I'm in too. Also, has anyone pulverized a 17-ball yet? And if so, what did they get from it? If the 17-ball really is an ultra rare, you should get an Ultimate Wad. --PFC Walker 13:37, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

Discussion

You win the fight! You acquire an item: 1-ball You acquire an item: 7-ball The RNG taunts me so...--Mxylptlk 01:03, 5 March 2007 (CST)


The pool balls aren't cookable or cocktailable, and I've tried the traditional combine method w/ all but the 9-ball, and no go. Clicking on the "use" link on the 8-Ball with all 9 balls in inventory like some familiars? Smithable? On the other hand, considering it can't be discarded, the obscene damage it does, and the nature of the display case (tribute to the passing of someone) I'd be willing to bet its a custom item. Thoughts? --Grimdel 12:10, 21 Nov 2006 (PST)

Apparently (at least according to this post) it's a pooltergeist drop (which would be strange, an ultrarare drop from a 'normal' adventure). --Nappa 14:35, 21 November 2006 (CST)

I confirmed it with a mod. It is a rare. --Yukimeister 18:38, 21 November 2006 (CST)

Is that "rare" or "ultrarare"? Because if it's a rare, why haven't we seen more of them? --JimGamma 16:33, 23 November 2006 (GMT)

Werebear mentioned in chat that he was pretty sure the item number is 2097. I'm hesitant to update it until it's confirmed, though. --Phrim 18:40, 21 November 2006 (CST)

It was confirmed in this post as 2097. --Starwed 18:23, 25 November 2006 (CST)

I saw 17-ball collections on the main page (where it has collections for various items, highest drunkenness, etc.) and took a screenshot. Is that remotely useful? --Drunkendude

Not really, considering that we already know it exists, we just don't know how to get it. Sorry to burst thy bubble. --'Ivan 21:28, 21 November 2006 (CST)

Going to venture out on a limb here and suggest this drops much like a spooky hockey mask. Another was just found by SpellFemme as can be seen in her display case. Looks like it's just rare. --Esko 04:01, 25 November 2006 (CST)

It's definitely an ultra-rare. SpellFemme was one of thousands of KoLers who adventured in the Haunted Billiards Room after the 17-ball was discovered. She just got lucky, that's all.--Jubbers14 04:14, 25 November 2006 (CST)

Who agrees with me this item is the definite overkill when fighting the NS? I think it needs a note denoting (haha) this. --Akatosh 11:01, 27 November 2006 (CST)

I disagree. It might be valid on the NS page which discusses strategy to beat her, but doesn't really go here. What you propose would be similar to writing how the furry suit can be useful against the NS on the outfit's page. --Squi 05:55, 28 November 2006 (CST)
Well, then we leave the denoting (haha) note and add it to the strategy pages. How about that? --Akatosh 11:12, 28 November 2006 (CST)

I would like to add that for the last week or so, the 17 ball was basically not functioning as it would give no additional damage when I equipped it. However, today when I tried it again, it now has a base of +50 multi-elemental damage whenever I have a successful hit. I guess the ball is fully functioning now.--Mineralwater 06:58, 28 November 2006 (CST)

This post , has a screenshot of someone getting a 17-ball from a pooltergeist. Looks like it is just an ultra-rare drop (extremely low chance) from a regular monster, or from a lookalike. No way to really tell, short of asking Jick or Skully.--Whiskey Jack 22:18, 17 February 2007 (CST)

  • I think consolation ribbons don't drop from normal pooltergeists. Also, pooltergeist doesn't always get initiative. --Zigota Lt 09:31, 18 February 2007 (CST)

Minor point of trivia, there are 17-ball snooker sets available for purchase. I assume they are for use on the smaller pool tables.--Awdball 02:17, 9 March 2007 (CST)

  • An even more minor point but evidence that editing wiki pages pays big time in karma. A few hours after adding the above note, I found a 17-ball. --Awdball 13:30, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

Well... I'm not sure about how to edit images or do ANYTHING on the wiki... but I'd like to point out that I was equipping my 17-Ball today and I noticed that the image now has a "shine-glint" on it... looks like Jick finally "animated" the image... sorta. (I was hoping for a rolling 17 ball, but whatever) Can anybody update the info for this item?--Justin Miller 11:21, 30 September 2007 (CDT)

Needed Note?

"This is the perfect item for elemental weakness/strength testing."

Is that really needed? --TDG 01:38, 7 February 2007 (CST)

  • I would say yes, since it does all five types of elemental damage. --PFC Walker 07:28, 1 March 2007 (CST)

It's not particularly difficult to spade out elemental weaknesses, since they all follow the pentagon (weak to 2, resist itself), and three different sources of elemental damage are not at all difficult to acquire. --Hwsb 16:50, 7 March 2007 (CST)

Look here. --CG1:t,c,e 16:59, 7 March 2007 (CST)


Appears to be a normal pooltergeist

Yesterday I got a 17-ball. The combat went something like this -

I lost initiative, was hit for 4 damage.
I thrust-smacked, hit for about 14 damage. (asparagus knife, dual wielded something else, and orange heart).
It hit me for 3 damage.
I funk slung 2 spices. It missed.
I funk slung 2 spices again, I won.

Here's a screenshot of the last round of combat.


I'm thinking it's either an ultra rare doppelgänger of the pooltergeist (although has anyone gotten a consolation ribbon from one?), or that they have added an ultra-rare drop mechanic to a regular monster, which is a rather interesting thought as well. Hope that helps. --J12601 19:45, 15 April 2007 (CDT)

This item does NOT drop from a normal Pooltergeist -- according to Mr. Skullhead on Radio KOL (June 4, 2007), every ultra-rare drops from an ultra-rare monster. --A Naked Jew 21:32, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

  • In all likelihood, the ultra-rare pooltergeist is just a straight copy of the normal pooltergeist, with the only difference being the item drops (and likely the ability to receive a consolation ribbon). --Quietust (t|c) 21:44, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

Fewer Balls

  • Billiards is played with one red and two white balls, one of the white balls having a small black spot. it is American Pool that has 15 plus one balls. good lord, anyone would think this game originated in the colonies. --Evilkolbot 20:26, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Oh, we're soooooo sorry us filthy Americans are ignorant of other culture's variation of a game. Then just put in "American pool" into the reference, will that make you happy? --JohnAnon 20:33, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

For anyone spading the drop mechanics for this

This is all of the information I can think of that may help in spading the drop mechanics of the 17-ball. A great deal of this may be irrelevant but I thought I'd post it anyway just in case. If you have any questions, please ask.

Screenshot

A 17-ball dropped for me on 03/05/12 between 19.52 and 19.53 GMT in a hardcore Avatar of Boris run in fewer than 10 turns in the Haunted Billiards Room (I can't remember the exact number of turns, though I think it was 6 or fewer at level 9 with the following stats: Muscle - 174 (83); Mysticality - 55 (42); Moxie - 51 (38);

I can't remember my exact equipment but I definitely had Trusty equipped, and I believe I had a Crown of the Goblin King, a Shiny Ring, an Imp Unity Ring, Astral Trousers and possibly a Stuffed Shoulder Parrot though I am unsure on the last detail. Clancy was at level 7 at the time and had a Sackbut equipped.

Before going to the Haunted Billiards Room, I had spent ~6 turns at the Icy Peak to level up Clancy.

Substat gain was 9, perhaps as this was my current level.

I had the following skills: Stomach of Steel, Mighty Axing, Cleave, Intimidating Bellow, Legendary Bravado, Song of Accompaniment, Big Lungs, Demand Sandwich, Legendary Girth, Song of the Glorious Lunch, Big Boned, Legendary Appetite, Heroic Belch, Hungry Eyes, More to Love, Barrel Chested, Gourmand and Laugh it Off.

I had a fullness of 9 out of a maximum of 30, no drunkenness, and no spleen. The 9 fullness had come from three Corned-Beef Reubens.

I was under The Mongoose moon sign.

I have completed 13 ascensions, 4 of which were hardcore. 2 of the hardcore ascensions had been Avatar of Boris runs, while the other 2 Avatar of Boris runs were softcore.

All quests up to this level were complete, and I was adventuring in the Haunted Billiards Room in order to unlock the Library to unlock the upstairs of the manor. I had not previously adventured in the Billiards Room during the ascension, but I had, at the start of the run, discovered that the Haunted Pantry was connected to the rest of the manor.

--Icy elemental 17:24, 5 May 2012 (CEST)

  • We know the drop mechanics of the 17-ball. It drops when you fight the ultra-rare variant of the Pooltergeist. Congrats on getting an UR though.--Toffile 18:14, 5 May 2012 (CEST)

I more meant this as an attempt to work out when the encounter occurs; in hindsight I should have put it on the pooltergeist page, but I figured that was for the normal pooltergeist instead?

The Pooltergeist (Ultra-Rare) occurs according to the Ultra Rare mechanic, which is all about timers and luck, not stats, skills, or anything else. --timrem 02:27, 6 May 2012 (CEST)

I thought it would be best to include as many details as possible; it was intended to help with the spading of ultra rare drops.

Homestuck Reference

Sorry, I don't think this is a Homestuck reference, as that webcomic started in April 2009, but this item has existed since 2006 with the same description. Rodgerflint (talk) 13:22, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

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