Talk:Heavy Rains/Strategy

writing desk

"With the Reanimated Reanimator you can wink at the first one, Rain Man a second one, and then wait for the 3 wandering copies."

I feel like I'm missing something here, or this is just poorly worded. Does it just mean you should get two desks via Rain Main and wink at one of them? Because the "second one" specifically mentions Rain Man and the "first one" doesn't, it sounds like Rain Man isn't involved in the first encounter. --timrem (talk) 14:59, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I think it means after you encounter the first one, in the zone, you can wink at it right then. And since you've now encountered it, you can Rain Man it too. I think the author is assuming (1) you haven't het done a Heavy Rains run and/or (2) you don't have a Manuel.--Hastifer (talk) 12:53, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Lightning

• There's some advice on Lightning Skills that I simply do not understand.
  • Sheet Lightning (10 bolts): +100% Spell Damage and damages attacking opponents for 100 turns. A situational skill for when you need a lot of spell damage, depending on your Ball Lightning uses.
    • What does Ball Lightning use have to do with Sheet Lightning?
  • Lightning Rod (20 bolts): Gives you a lightning rod until rollover. While it gives very large bonuses that benefit a spellcaster greatly, it cost equal to Lightning Strike (so you can't use it to get rid of surplus lightning, unlike Sheet Lightning). Its use is situational, depending on what other Spell Damage sources you have available.
    • What is meant by "surplus lightning" and why do I want to get rid of it? This was written before Thor's Pliers existed so I can only gape at the concept of a lightning surplus.

--Bale (talk) 00:25, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• As someone who has yet to get any of those three skills, my guess is that surplus lightning just refers to however many bolts are left over after using as many Ball Lightning YR's and Lightning Strikes in a day. Without pliers, the remaining 10 bolts after 2 YR's and 4 Strikes might as well have gone to Sheet Lightning. Players with pliers can now afford to get some more convenience out of their other lightning skills, though.--AstronautGuy (talk) 01:28, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you. That makes sense now that you've explained it. I see that JohnAnon has gone ahead and rewritten all those clunky sentences so that others will not be puzzled as I was. --Bale (talk) 03:22, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

The Rain King

Are familiars worth mentioning as an additional source of damage during the Rain King fight? I have to admit I had some difficulties before I used my obedience grenades and even with just the +familiar weight buffs, my (unleveled) Warbear Drone delivered very pleasing results. Players who don't happen to have any iotms or the right skills permed might rely heavier on such information and maybe some additional advice. On the other hand it's possible that I just s*ck at that fight... --Yatsufusa (talk) 12:52, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• I haven't done it in hardcore, I usually end up at lvl15 by the time I make it to him and snowclone him to death in 3 rounds. I too would be interested in better ways to fight him though because none of that will work for me in hardcore. --Plater (t|c) 13:18, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Just thought about the Rain King and that whole naked and buffless thing. He only attacks with physical and spooky attacks. I think Hide of the Walrus would be worth mentioning, so I'm adding it to the list. I know Hide of the Walrus won't win the fight for you, but it might help players with less ascensions. --Yatsufusa (talk) 04:15, 1 November 2014 (UTC)