Talk:Magic Tongue

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Given the nature of the product this is based on, I assumed it would affect something about food consumption. Used my first magicberry tablets, and ate a Hell Ramen, as a level-six in-Ronin Sauceror under the Blender, without milk or Ode. Gained 25 adventures, 25 mus, 25 mys, 27 mox, 23 meat, 6 full. Did not lose the effect. Thinkgeek advertises the product these are based on as making even a lemon taste like sweet candy. So I tried an actual lemon. That gave 1 fullness, 1 adventure, and nothing anomalous. Then, I tried a Whiskey Sour (made with a lemon, and listed specifically as sour). I got 10 adventures, 9 mus, 3 drunkenness, and the message indicating the extra adventures were due to the Blender. Fuzzbump (garnished whiskey sour) gave 10 adventures, 35 mus, and 4 drunk. Lemon meringue pie 5 adv, 9 mus, 3 full. Taco Dan's Taco was 2 adv, 20 mus, and the usual effect. The Chimichangarita was 2 adventures and 28 mox BitterSweetTarts and an All-Year Sucker had no unusual effects Typical Tavern Swill gave 5 adv, 1 each substat, and 3 drunk. No odd messages. Knob Pasty 6 adv, 6 mus, 7 Mys, 5 mox, 2 hot damage, 1 fullness. Knob coffee 6 Adv, 5 mus, 6 mys, 6 mox, 2 hot, 1 drunk. Ultrafondue 14 Adv, 15 mus, 20 mys, 19 mox, 3 full, and 30 turns Fondid. Ice-cold Willer 1 adv, 3 mana, 1 drunk. Morto Moreto gave 6 adventures and 1 drunk. Oily paste 5 Adv, 21 mus, 25 mys, 18 mox. Chlorophyll paste 6 Adv, 21 mus, 22 mys, 20 mox Beastly paste 6 Adv, 21 mus, 25 mys, 19 mox I became full at the expected time. At no point in these experiments was the effect lost, but it also didn't seem to significantly change anything. --Phantomreader42 01:21, 2 December 2012 (CET)

Try eating somthing normally bad for you like hell broth. Just a hunch.--Tombot 01:59, 2 December 2012 (CET)

tried hell broth You drink the broth. It's Hella Good™. Not very good for you, though. Adventures You gain 11 Adventures. You lose 10 Muscleboundness. You lose 7 Roguishness.

You lose an effect: Magic Tongue (1 Adventure)

Oh man, those berries really do make stuff taste weird. Ooh, Sweet! You acquire an effect: Ooh, Sweet! (duration: 10 Adventures) You gain 4 Fullness.

Your mouth is filled with an indescribably sweet taste. Your body, in anticipation of a huge calorie dump (huh huh) is producing a bunch of extra energy. And also probably diabetes.

+5 Hot Damage --Ganomex 05:29, 2 December 2012 (CET)

Tried ten negative foods. In all cases I got the expected negative effects and a flavor.

  1. From centipede eggs I got Ooh, Sour!. (+5 stench damage)
  2. From unfortunate dumplings I got Ooh, Salty! (+5 cold damage)
  3. From bag of QWOP I got Ooh, Salty!
  4. From cursed black pearl onion I got Ooh, Sweet! (+5 hot damage)
  5. From poisonous caviar I got Ooh, Bitter! (+5 spooky damage)
  6. From stale baguette I got Ooh, Umami! (+5 sleaze damage)
  7. From powdered glass wine, I got Ooh, Bitter!
  8. From turned to crime wine, I got Ooh, Umami!
  9. From cruelty-free wine, I got Ooh, Umami!
  10. From World's most unappetizing beverage, I got Ooh, Salty!

I'm guessing that foods/drinks with negative effects get a random flavor.--Club (#66669) (Talk) 08:00, 2 December 2012 (CET)

Ate a stinky hi mein and immediately lost 'Magic Tongue' with the message "Oh man, those berries really do make stuff taste weird." Got 'Ooh, Salty!' from that. LizardKing 04:59, 3 December 2012 (CET)

    • Yup, I was wrong. It's not just negative effect foods. I got Ooh, Sweet! from magicberries and a star key lime pie today. New theory is any food drink that does more than give adventures and stats. Steel lasagna / margarita are probably excluded. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 06:53, 3 December 2012 (CET)

Other exclusions: Hell Ramen's meat, and the Knob Pasty's hot damage don't trigger anything. --Phantomreader42 05:12, 4 December 2012 (CET)

I didn't get anything from eating all three Legend Key Lime Pies (Boris, Jarlsberg, Sneaky Pete) on the day this was released, with Magic Tongue. Might have been broken at the time, or they are also exceptions. Seems weird if Star Key isn't though. --Ariamaki 08:26, 4 December 2012 (CET)

cactus fruit -> Ooh, Sour!
Ur-Donut -> Ooh, Bitter!
chocolate-frosted king cake -> Ooh, Salty!
delicious spicy noodles -> Ooh, Sour!
can-shaped gelatinous cranberry sauce x 2 -> Ooh, Sweet! x 2
  • Now I'm starting to wonder if we went down the wrong track due to implementation delays and all foods work. Also do foods always give the same effect? --Club (#66669) (Talk) 19:59, 7 December 2012 (CET)

ancient unspeakable fruitcake gave me Ooh, Bitter! --Noskilz 01:12, 8 December 2012 (CET) Drinking a Cherry Bomb provides Ooh, Sour!--Noskilz 03:25, 8 December 2012 (CET)

  • I drank three cherry bombs in a row and got Umami for each. Then I ate 15 more bag of QWOPs all of which gave me Salty again. So, seems like bang potion type randomness. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 05:27, 8 December 2012 (CET)
QWOP gave me bitter. —Yendor 05:49, 8 December 2012 (CET)


From what Club wrote I deduced that the five types are fixed i.e. if Food1 = A and Food2 = A for user1 then if Food1 = C for user2 then Food2 = C for user2 also. I have checked the following for my account :

Umami
crystal skeleton vodka
Morto Moreto
evil horizontal tango
blood light
stale baguette
cursed sea biscuit
dusty bottle of vinegar pinot noir
Sweet
evil roll in the hay
evil ducha de oro
bone's farm wine
Centipede eggs
cactus fruit
cursed bottle of black label rum
Salty
bartle's and braaains wine cooler
cursed black pearl onion
Bitter
bag of QWOP
can-shaped gelationous cranberry sauce
Sour
MISSING THAT ONE

P.S. Sorry for the formatting, I'm no good with the wiki... --OldJanitor 12:23, 31 December 2012 (CET)

Didn't see wrecked generator anywhere on the page. Just got Ohh sweet from that. Also, Bone's farm wine & feliz navidad = sweet, Bartles and Brains & crimbojito = sour, QWOP = bitter, sangria de menthe & black pudding = salty, cruelty-free wine = umami Eclipse4227 06:36, 7 January 2013 (CET)

  • My results:
bag of QWOP             sweet
beer basted brat        bitter
candy cane              umami
Crepes a la Lune        sour
jerky coins             salty
peppermint patty        bitter
queen cookie            salty
tasty tart              sweet

--Pineapple of Despair 09:22, 7 January 2013 (CET)

group shortcut

  1. dusty bottle of wine#turned to crime -> E
  2. dusty bottle of wine#powdered glass -> D
  3. dusty bottle of wine#vinegar -> A
  4. dusty bottle of wine#better, worse -> E
  5. dusty bottle of wine#fairy -> B
  6. dusty bottle of wine#great -> C

spadarama

  • the proposition "six groups" needs testing, and, if true, the consumables need categorising into those groups.
  • to use the following table you need to find out which group is which for you.
  • therefore, eat one thing from five of the groups and note down what effects these represent for you. the sixth one should be obvious by deduction.
  • for example, eat a bag of QWOP and if it's umami, then umami is group B for you.
  • (anybody know how to autosort the table on column 1 then colunm 2? probably better to add them in alpha sort order anyway to ease the pain of eliminating duplication.)
Group Item
A Bone's Farm "wine"
A cactus fruit
A centipede eggs
A cursed bottle of black-label rum
A evil ducha de oro
A evil roll in the hay
B bag of QWOP
B can-shaped gelatinous cranberry sauce
B unfortunate dumplings
B World's most unappetizing beverage
C Bartles and BRAAAINS wine cooler
C cursed black pearl onion
D dusty bottle of wine#powdered glass wine
D frozen danish
D piping organ pie
D poisonous caviar
E cruelty-free wine
E dusty bottle of wine#turned to crime wine
E stale baguette
  • My results show a different grouping than what is in the table. QWOP and fantastic wine and centipede eggs all yielded Umami, for example. I think there is more to this. --Blastphemist 09:49, 1 January 2013 (CET)

I got:

  • dead lights pie: Ooh, Sour!
  • frozen danish: Ooh, Salty!
  • piping organ pie: Ooh, Salty!
  • sleazy hi mein: Ooh, Umami!
  • throbbing organ piet: Ooh, Sour!
  • blob-shaped Crimbo cookie: Ooh, Sweet!
  • poisonous caviar: Ooh, Salty!
  • sea broccoli: Ooh, Bitter!

--Murixbob 21:17, 31 December 2012 (CET)

  • poisonous caviar is group D. this means salty is group D for you. which means that frozen danish and piping organ pie are also group D. there're no more useful bits of data as yet, but many thanks. --~~
(Are the dusty bottles grouped by name or effect?) —Yendor 05:23, 1 January 2013 (CET)

Yeah, I can't seem to get #5 for anything, and it's annoying as hell. I drank all the dusty bottles and ended up with 4/5 effects, with 2 of them at 20 turns. I tried it again, and this was my result:

  • Great = Bitter
  • Average = Sweet
  • Vinegar = Salty
  • Spooky = Umami

Which, if put together by the groups abouve, would mean (C,E,A,B), so I'm missing D. Consult table, eat frozen danish (group D), and I get another 10 turns of Salty. So, something is definitely not going according to these directions. ~Erich t/c 20:02, 1 January 2013 (CET)

I have to agree with the above, these were my results:

RisenJihad 03:00, 2 January 2013 (CET)

Assuming each item is random per player per ascension or something, as none of my "categories" align with anybody here.

--Almightysapling 08:27, 2 January 2013 (CET)

OK, I'll add my data:

  • Grogtini = sweet
  • bag of QWOP = sweet
  • Morto Moreto = bitter
  • McLeod's Hard Haggis-Ade = bitter
  • sleazy hi mein = bitter
  • haggis-wrapped haggis-stuffed haggis = sour
  • Bone's Farm "wine" = salty
  • pumpkin pie = salty
  • bag of GORF = umami

Devjoe 12:13, 2 January 2013 (CET)

I just ate a bag of QWOP (group B) and piping organ pie (group D) and they BOTH gave me the oh salty effect. Either someone goofed in that table, or it is random for everyone? --Plater (t|c) 17:38, 2 January 2013 (CET)

  • If it was completely random (and I'm not saying it's not) it should be possible to get different buffs from the same consumables. Has anyone so far tried to eat and drink the same items in succession? --Yatsufusa 17:56, 2 January 2013 (CET)
  • Bitter
    Distilled fortified wine
    Fromage Pinotage
  • Salty
    Bordeaux Marteaux
  • Sour
    dusty bottle of Marsala (vinegar)
    Go-Wassail
    pumpkin beer
    thermos full of Knob coffee
  • Sweet
    Morto Moreto
  • Umami
    CSA cheerfulness ration
    can of Swiller
    slug of vodka

There seems to be no consistency in quality-potency combination for me. I'm currently a Level 32 Seal Clubber, ID 1617484, Account Created: February 29, 2008. Have fun with my data. --Yatsufusa 05:42, 7 January 2013 (CET)

The effect interacts with the steel lasagna as well, just in case anybody else was wondering. (got Ooh, Bitter!) --Yatsufusa (talk) 02:02, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

regroup

  • the beauty of science is that any theory is only as good as its last set of results: it is unlikely that boyle's law will get contradictory results, but if it did consistently it would have to be rethought.
  • this isn't science, though, since none of this is verifiable. i trust my data and yours, but theirs is probably made up and there's no way to tell.
  • still, some observations to be refuted (preferably ad absurdam rather than ad hominem):
  1. flavours are consistent by player
    • no one has reported that the same item has given them a second flavour.
  2. flavours are not consistently grouped
    • there seems to be good evidence that if two items give the same flavour for one player they won't both have the same flavour for a different player.
  3. groupings are reset by ascension
    • no evidence either way for this but i'll be cross if it's not true. not very since the effects are entirely trivial, but still.
  • if i had to take a guess how it worked? storing stuff that's randomised in a table's not jick's style. best guess would be magic number mod five. from what we know that number is player, item, and ascension dependent. so ((player number + ascension no + item number) mod five) would be a reasonable first guess, but that would give the grouping behaviour discounted above. looking further up the page reminds me that this is a work in progress, a moving target. my paranoias tell me that perhaps tptb want it to be a mystery like the !potions. if we get close to "drink this and know what flavour that will give you" they'll change it. --Evilkolbot 18:47, 2 January 2013 (CET)

I do believe that (player# + ascension# + item#) mod 5 wouldn't give the second observation. For any player at any point in time player#+ascension# would be constant. If item1 mod 5 was in the same group as item2 mod 5, then changing the constant you add would still leave them in the same group. (Modular division is an equivalence relation) --Almightysapling 21:51, 2 January 2013 (CET)

  • i can't work out if you're agreeing with me. if ((a + b) mod 5) = ((a + c) mod 5) then ((d + b) mod 5) = ((d + c) mod 5). grouping, no? you could use ((p# + rnd(a# + i#)) mod 5) where rnd() is a pseudorandom function. it's sort of what they do to get the demon names. i still think the target's moving, though. --Evilkolbot 22:51, 2 January 2013 (CET)

My experience:

McLeod's Hard Haggis-Ade = Sour

Haggis-wrapped haggis-stuffed haggis = Salty

Jerky Coin = Sweet

Go-Wassail = Sour

Lucky Surprise Egg = Bitter

Stale Baguette = Salty

Bag of QWOP = Salty

Bag of GORF = Salty

Taco Dan's Taco Stand Taco = Umami

--Clem Obnoskowitz 02:32, 3 January 2013 (CET)

Just to add some data points, I consumed these foods in order and got these effects:

  • Cactus fruit - umami
  • Tasty tart - bitter
  • Brown sugar cane - sour
  • Herb brownies - salty
  • Tofurkey gravy - sweet

Fortunately, exactly the effects I needed in order to get the trophy. Coincidence? Maybe.

--Chickencha 20:44, 28 January 2013 (CET)

Here's what I ingested in my quest for the trophy:

  • Fortune cookie - Bitter
  • Blackberry - Sour
  • Good Brain - Sweet (Found that amusing, as this was aftercore of a Class Act Sauceror run)
  • Genalen bottle - Bitter
  • Tasty Tart - Salty
  • Peach - Bitter
  • Packet of beer nuts - Bitter
  • Pumpkin beer - Sour (I drank four of these with individual magicberry tablets, and they all resulted in Sour)
  • Distilled fortified wine - Umami (Those hobos know something, it seems)

Not quite Chickencha's luck, but still pretty quick. --Terion (talk) 03:37, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Adding data points. Copied Chickencha's path.

  • Cactus fruit - Sweet
  • Tasty tart - Umami
  • Brown sugar cane - Salty
  • Herb brownies - Bitter
  • Tofurkey gravy - Sweet
  • Fortune Cookie - Sour

--SaucySam47707 (talk) 14:41, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

FWIW I got the following results:

  • throbbing organ pie - salty
  • bag of QWOP - sweet
  • fortune cookie - umami
  • handful of nuts and berries - salty
  • vinegar-soaked lemon slice - umami
  • stale baguette - umami
  • cactus fruit - umami
  • brown sugar cane - sour
  • unidentified jerky - sweet
  • hot wing - sweet
  • dire fudgesicle - bitter

--Campboy (talk) 09:38, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

On Darzil, Disco Bandit, Character ID 2013921.

Ur-Donut - Sweet Frat Brats - Sweet Brain-meltingly Hot Chicken Wings - Sweet Good Brain - Sweet Queen Cookie - Sweet bag of QWOP - Salty Genalen Bottle - Salty Powdered Donut - Sour Decent Brain - Umami Chaos Popcorn - Bitter --Darzil (talk) 11:20, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


I wasn't able to find a pattern from above... but here's what I found

  • bitter - fortune cookie, tankard of ale
  • umani - pumpkin beer, asparagus, can of swiller, thistle wine
  • sweet - poisonous caviar, baguette, cruelty free wine, russian ice
  • morto moreto - salty
  • sour - orange schnapps

--QVamp (talk) 04:58, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Centipede eggs: umami
ghuol egg: umami
hippie herbal tea: umami
uncooked chorizo: bitter
powdered donut: umami
QWOP: sour
cursed black pearl onion: bitter
Tiger-lily's milk: sour
dragon snaps: sour
roasted marshmallow: bitter
beer nuts: sweet

--Qpnaosc (talk) 19:57, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

my results, fwtw:
white citidel burger: salty
star key lime pie: umami
pear tart: umami
cold mashed potatoes: umami
dinner roll: sour
whole turkey leg: sour
high calorie sugar substitute: salty

mae west: bitter
teqiwila slammer: umami
Go-Wassail: sour
pumpkin beer: umami
distilled fortified wine: sweet

--Smelvira (talk) 17:53, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

And some more:
centipede eggs: sweet
Bartles and BRAAAINS wine cooler: sweet
can-shaped gelatinous cranberry sauce: umami
cursed black pearl onion: salty
poisonous caviar: salty
piping organ pie: salty
New Zealand iced tea: salty
dusty bottle of average Merlot: salty
stale baguette: bitter
non-aged vinegar: bitter
dusty bottle of spooky Pinot Noir: sour
--Kari (talk) 04:09, 4 September 2014 (UTC)


Does anyone have anymore thoughts on this? I just tried running through all the dusty bottles, most of them gave duplicate effects. I am on day 2 of not finding anything to give me the last effect. Also: you can't get the dusty bottles outside of the mall anymore. --Plater (t|c) 03:15, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Disco Bandit, 44 ascensions:
haggis-wrapped haggis-stuffed haggis = Sweet
Sacramento wine = Sour
around the world = Salty
jumping horseradish = Salty
hacked gibson = Bitter
party beer bomb = Bitter
browser cookie = Umami
elemental caipiroska = Umami
--Baltar (talk) 03:28, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

rockin' wagon: sour around the world: umami calle de miel: umami ducha de oro: sweet bottle of laundry sherry: salty --Murnjendoof (talk) 21:31, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

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