Talk:Moxie Modifiers
Changed Moxie gain for Kentucky-fried meat crossbow to +5. Apparently, Jick or someone else changed it (it was +7 previously). I also changed it on the item page. The other Kentucky-fried items were also changed, I've edited their pages and the muscle/myst increaser pages as well. MoxFulder 19:30, 29 December 2005 (Central Standard Time)
Unlisted Modifiers
New items requiring adding by someone else not sick and likely to stuff up the table:
styrofoam crossbow 3 15mox
cardboard crossbow 3 15mox
bubblewrap crossbow 3 15mox
bubblewrap sword (1h) 2 15 mus
Curdflinger (1h) 3 10 mox
starchy crossbow 3 5 mox
star boomerang (1h) 5 52 mox
bubble bauble bow 3 20 mox
grease gun 3 20 mox
sword of static (1h) 2 20 musc
repeating crossbow 2 15 mox
can cannon 3 20 mox
I may have missed some, or listed one that is actually there, but i know the majority definately aren't on this list.Teffania —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 07:31, 9 August 2006 (CDT).
- Your list is missing the eyedrops of newt, which gives 25 Moxie for 5 adventures (10 with the reagent potion bonus skill) --Damuna 14:05, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
- Okay, that batch is in. Phew. Also the Giant discarded torn-up glove. Myst and Mox down, just muscle to go. --ArgghFW 07:56, 15 December 2006 (CST)
- I just finished somewhat reformatting the page to standardize and added a few missing effects too. Now I'm hoping that three most commonly affected things in the game (Muscle, Mysticality, and Moxie) are up to date... or at least close to it. --TheDotGamer 03:47, 23 February 2007 (CST)
New Equality Potions
Do you need anyone to change the equality potions? (e.g. oil of expertise) I might need a bit more practice in Wiki-ing before I attempt to it.--Aznpride05 20:00, 27 September 2006 (CDT)
Semi-rares??
bottle of pirate juice gives +100. Should it be added?Tannenzaepfle 03:54, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
This Table should be separated and organized in a more functional way
I'd like to start by saying that my critique is not intended to detract from the wonderfully detailed body of contributions found in these pages but to help elevate them with poignant feedback.
Let me put it this way, scrolling down endless columns can be a drain on the senses. The main sorting table should be broken up. One table for equipment, another for buffs, one for usable items, another for adventures, etc. Ideally, each source even individual epuipment types should have their own sections connected by a table of contents at the top. Variables should not have their own section, but placed in the corresponding section by source and ranked at the value the where the attribute modifier peaks. As items 'Tied To Another Stat' warrant their own section so does EACH source.
Also, the prerequisites sorting column needs to be revamped as it doesn't sort properly after the standard muscle, moxie, and mysticality ranks. All the class and zodiac specific stuff gets jumbled with things that have 'none' as their requirement.
In a practical sense an item should be grouped by its basic function. If you're looking for a hat with moxie, you shouldn't need to scroll through every item that gives you moxie. I'm normally looking for entries to prepare for ascension or for a quest requiring a stat boost. Every time I come to this page or one of the others like it I find myself doing more scrolling than reading.--Xclockwatcher 13:45, 20 September 2007 (CDT)
- I've thought much the same things recently. A lot of what you're saying could probably be accomplished just by cleaning up (i.e., standardising) some of the column values (it'd sure be a lot less work than splitting everything up; things with multiple sources like the poison effects would get slotted into multiple categories twice -- absolute and percentage). Specific weapon types to "Weapon 1H" or "Weapon 2H"; making sure the stat requirement is listed first in the "req" field and padding with leading zeroes. I'm told that the sorting code keeps the sub-order from the previous state, so assuming people only care about sorting by increase/source type (and sometimes requirement), that should take care of most of your concerns. I wonder what others who use these pages have to say. --Bagatelle 17:03, 22 September 2007 (CDT)
Update items obtained through MCD
Now that the other zodiac signs have their own equivalents to The Super-Secret Canadian Mind-Control Device (the detuned radio and The Annoy-o-Tron 5000) the notes about needing a Mysticality zodiac sign to get the Boss Bat britches, etc. need to be changed. -- Antaeus Feldspar 11:02, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
Separating unique items
I get the feeling that this would have been discussed in length elsewhere but I cannot find where, so I'll record my suggestion here: If the Moxie Modifiers table does not include Ultra-Rares or Tiny Plastics due to "the very low chance of getting one", could we please separate out the Unique Items, given there would be an even lower chance of getting one of these.
How about a second table on the page for these "unattainable" items (i.e., the Ultra-Rares, Tiny Plastics and Unique Items)? As one of the other commenters suggested, scrolling through the whole table can become tedious (though I also appreciate the effort that has gone into this table already!).
Feedback (in a constructive manner) welcome. --schmy 08:53, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
- But it does include "unattainable" ones. It's the HC-available flag that is dependent on easy availability, although this could probably be worded more clearly. If you look at the notes column, many times it will explicitly state it's a custom item/radio prize/rare. If we separate it out, SC people with pullable rares would complain. All people have to do is populate/read the notes column. --BagatelleT/C 22:55, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I have come to this page half a dozen times in the past couple of months, and I don't think that I've walked away with information useful to my situation even once. Rather, I've been overwhelmed by the sheer number of inapplicable entries on the list, been unable to find applicable items with any efficiency, and even when I found an item I could get, I've been unable to easily compare it to other items. This, to me, indicates that there's something wrong with the current setup. To make this chart more useful, I suggest creating three versions of the chart:
- First Version: Everything. Basically how it is now.
- Second Version: No unique items, including items that were given in strictly limited numbers (such as the rainbow pearl items). Since the vast majority of players have never gotten a unique item and there's no way to farm for one, this chart would be useful to most players.
- Third Version: No unique items, and nothing that you'd have to buy from the Mall or Mr. Store. No banana smoothies, in other words. This would be useful to players in Hardcore, since they wouldn't be hunting through a list of everything they couldn't get.
Another helpful chart would be the third version, arranged by how fast an item becomes available in the game. Hence, if you're getting creamed by a boss, you can scroll down to the first area not yet open to you, and read the entries above it for the best moxie modifier you can access... or determine if you need to open more areas before trying the boss again. Or read the entire list above that point to figure out if you're overlooking something (like Black Body spray from The Black Market or even some candy from Gno-Mart. --Kilyle 09:37, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
- We have enough trouble keeping up with one version of these charts, let alone three different versions. I do agree that custom items should be removed from the main chart (and perhaps given a chart of their own on each page). As for a the third list, sort the table by "HC Available" and voila! As for the availability chart, that would be a huge undertaking. How would you put something like that in a chart format? I suppose the stat requirement sorting already does that to some extent. To list all the areas where things are available and the criteria for opening them, however, would make this table a gigantic mess, and impossible to sort in any usable way. --TechSmurf 10:02, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
