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Old moon table

The old moon table page was created because the full moon table was getting unmaintainable, and it was taking a long time to find the current date. Some people wanted to have the old moons for at least the previous month or two. I saw no reason not to move it off to make the full moon table page more navigable.

Can you think of any reason not to have the page? It can be recalculated, obviously, but not easily for the casual user.

If you do delete it, you should at least do it properly: make an appropriate comment on the full moon table talk page, and also update/remove links where relevant. The way you did it just led to no improvement and bad links on the wiki. --Cypherpunks 12:00, 1 February 2007 (CST)

Help with Clan:Template

  • I noticed that you added the link option to the clan template, so I went ahead and made it conditional. What I am not sure about, is how I am supposed to make it so that entering a value for link is not necessary at all so that all of the pages that already have the template do not have to be fixed.--SomeStranger (Talk | Contribs) 18:11, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
    • The clan template used to automatically create a wikilink to a clan page, which then everyone would follow and then create a clan page on the wiki, blehk! After the link was removed, people would just pass [[CLAN NAME]] to it and still do the same thing. The template this way encourages people to create clan pages elsewhere... hopefully. Sure many need to be fixed, but if people never notice that their User: page now looks goofy, they aren't active in the wiki enough for their User: page to even matter anyway. The only time people follow links to User: pages are when they show up in page histories, recent changes, and on talk pages, (unless they've been lucky enough to be linked to from a custom item, event page, etc.) so if a member of the wiki never does anything, chances are no one will ever find their user page anyway. (it's like the old Player and Clan pages which showed up having more edits by one or two people than they did total page views because nothing on the wiki ever linked to them (except eachother). What were we talking about? I never miss a change to rant on vain useless pages. Actually, compare to other templates, not *that* many pages use it, and hopefully some people will notice it on their pages and fix it, but otherwise than that, I plan to randomly fix a few here and there (along with changing links to deleted or nonexistent clan pages to web links). Unless their on a *real* page, they aren;t exactly "mission critical". USer pages never even get close to making Special:Popularpages and only mod user pages have made Special:Mostlinked: because of talk page posts having cool links like these -> --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 21:47, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
      • I realize that this is not critical in the least bit, but this was more of a curiousity for myself. I was wondering if it was possible to create a template, that if a variable was not defined, would output one thing, but if it was defined it would output another thing. As of now I have it outputting a simply bold text if link is set to equal nothing, but it still has to be set to nothing. I was wondering if there was some sort of default value that could be detected and used so that typing {{clan|clan=My Clan}} would just give out a bolded text clan name instead of having to do this: {{clan|clan=My Clan|link=}}--SomeStranger (Talk | Contribs) 21:54, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
        • There are so many templates which would be much,much improved with true conditional functionality or templates, We've all wanted to see if {{{num}}} == 0 BLAH else BLAH, or if {{{variable}}} is null BLAH. It's been requested many times on the media wiki meta wiki, and there are even some extenstions which attempt to produce it. [1] [2] but i don't know how well they work, and don't have the access to just add extensions to the wiki and modify it's setting for testing. Most wiki mods are just normal editors with the ability to delete, undelete, ban, rollback, and to view a couple extra special pages. We've all screwed around with attempting conditional templates. I think I;m the one who stole the odd P1 and P2 templates from wikipedia, but they don't account for undefined variables. That's why many (now unnecessarily conplicated) templates have funny 1's or 2's passed to them like ...Template|2|1|2|... in Template:Acquire, Template:Food2. and Template:Booze2 and sometimes need empty variables like ...v1=doody|v2=|v3=13... </ ode to conditionals> --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 22:18, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
  • What if that pic is my avatar and I can't buy it yet ? It's still KOL intended. --Fernando Bono 16:35, 10 May 2006 (CDT)

A question on templates, if you have a moment.. I'm new to making templates and I thought I'd play around with it. I'm fiddling around with Template:Test and I've nearly figured out how to get it to do what I want except for one thing: it seems that it puts a break after where I put a call to the template. Is that something built in to templates or is there an error in how I wrote it? I'd like to call more than one parameter from Template:CallTest but not all of them. It might be easier to do it differently than how I've done it but trying to figure it out from wikipedia help was cryptic and full of broken links. It might also be easier from a user perspective to have a single template used on its own with no need to call to another template. I don't want to hardcode commas in because then when would it end? Would I need separate templates to use commas? Well, for example: (example removed) I hope that looking at that example helps you figure out what I'm trying to do. I wonder if you have an idea about this. Thank you :) --LucySpace 20:26, 16 June 2006 (CDT)

  • All better, hehe. Now go look at the extremely trivial change I made. Stupid wiki parser! --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 20:33, 16 June 2006 (CDT)
    • Oh fantastic, thank you! I sort of assumed that anything after the < /includeonly > wouldn't be included. Yay! --LucySpace 20:58, 16 June 2006 (CDT)

Question...

  • Since I am kind of new at this I figured I had better ask.....Would it be ok if I put this:
Have nothing to do? Completely bored out of your mind? Tired of seeing the same Featured Articles over and over again?
Well cheer up! There is an easy solution to your problems:
Write a featured article! Anyone can help, just go to the Featured Article page for more information.

On the main page at the top?--SomeStranger (Talk | Contribs) 16:08, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

  • We haven't had any (holiday) announcements since the new front page has been put up, hmm, should they be on top, or between the quicklinks and the title/date header? What color(s)? Or maybe an Main Announcement template template that is just blank/empty for no annoucements, or an announcement template for each "annoucement" so they can be recycled (especially for holidays, so we don't have to keep copy 'n pasting the same code in every holiday)) like Template:Announce_Crimbo, Template:Announce_Oyster, etc. It just hit me, oh noes, wiki-n00bs making featured articles, eek! heh-heh --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 16:18, 29 May 2006 (CDT)
  • That reminds me. I had an idea that there should one of those annoucements for whenever a new established standard was made because random people would be unaware of them and we'd go and revert things.--Dehstil 16:27, 29 May 2006 (CDT)
    • I kinda like the idea of Category:Announcement Templates, with maybe the above one being something like Template:Announce_FeaturesWanted, then we can do Template:Announce_Oyster, Template:Announce_Crimbo, etc. and all the other holidays, so we don;t ever need to again. We can always start with how they look in the mian page's history, then update them for the new front page, stdizing them. Plus if push comes to shove, things can be 'protected' (like the main page) son only admins could edit them ;-)--JRSiebz (☎|§|‡)
      • Even better, lets created a "Main" template with if statements so that we don't even have to touch the main page once we set it all up. =)--SomeStranger (Talk | Contribs) 16:32, 29 May 2006 (CDT)
      • To bad the wiki doesn't know what holiday it is...(yet?) I mean any [js i've done before] could become a php wiki extension, i've even contemplated it before. It's all a matter of need and motivation. ;-) Then if that damn comet screws up the kol year by whackin' a moon, all the math would have to be refigured out and rewritten.--JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 16:39, 29 May 2006 (CDT)
      • It would not be the first time someone did a lot of work for naught. I mean really, I made an entire script for automatically star -gazing....what are the chances of the observatory not exploding?--SomeStranger (Talk | Contribs) 16:40, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

Script question

  • Would you know why this is not working (I am trying to parse the observatory page for the "out of adventures" text.
function checkAdv() {
	var html = document.body.innerHTML;
	var newV = html.match(/out/);
	if (newV.length > 0) {
		var it = "false";
	}
	else {
		var it = "true";
	}
	return it;
}

--SomeStranger (T | C) 19:10, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

  • Running from the address box, javascript:alert(document.body.innerHTML.match(/out/)); gave null, and is technically checking index.php (the frameset page of kol), the middle frame would be javascript:alert(window.mainpane.document.body.innerHTML.match(/out/)); and it popped up single match. I think you better check for more than just "out", because just that could exist almost anywhere. ;-) --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 19:23, 29 May 2006 (CDT)
    • How would I check for more than out? I don't think doing 
      /out of adventures/
      works.--SomeStranger (T | C) 19:32, 29 May 2006 (CDT)
    • Why use front-slashes? Your search is just a string not a regular expression, just use string.match("You're out of adventures."); ? It returns something or null, you could do the whole thing iine one line if ya wanted ;-)return !(document.body.innerHTML.match("You're out of adventures.")); hehe But it's not exactly error safe. or just skip the if-then and return bool with return !(newV.length > 0); ;-) --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 20:17, 29 May 2006 (CDT)
      • Oh...so that's how you do it. I have a lot to learn with javascript....--SomeStranger (T | C) 20:47, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

Nice Job, JRSiebz!

I liked what you did with that St. Sneaky Pete's table. It looks sharp. :) I was also dumbfounded that you haven't been given a whole section devoted to praise for you, so I created one. <3 --LucySpace 02:03, 3 June 2006 (CDT)

Ummm...yeah...

I decided to go crazy and makeover the main page in honor of the 6th. (Main Page Makeover Example) After creating it I realized that some people might not appreciate me putting that up on the 6th. Do you have an opinion on it?--SomeStranger (T | C) 22:30, 3 June 2006 (CDT)

  • Personally, it gives me a horrible headache. --Quietust 22:32, 3 June 2006 (CDT)

Bug list isn't forgotten :)

I didn't forget, just didn't get around to it yet, I'll try to fix a few items every day.., I did some just now too.. --Mag 15:52, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

Verifying Items

Err, why'd you verify the arse-shooting crossbow without actually checking its description? I was fortunate enough that coldfront's item database (on the main site) included the item description ID to view it in-game, so I could see that the item relied on Moxie, not Mysticality as the page had originally listed. The entire point of putting verify=1 is to indicate that the content needs to be verified against what is seen in-game. --Quietust 00:26, 1 July 2006 (CDT)

  • I looked it up in-game by its hash and I guess my mind didn't notice the diff between mysticality and moxie when i compared the descript and enchantment. --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 00:59, 1 July 2006 (CDT)

The Darkness

Actually, it's apparently real - some players had leftover turns of Temporary Blindness from the construction site. --Quietust 19:11, 1 July 2006 (CDT)

  • Those multis must not be played that often then. It just seemed too good to be true ;-) --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 19:14, 1 July 2006 (CDT)

hmm

Should Macnchz be in the player category? There's a redirect User:Manchz to it, but that user turns up zero results on the Special:Listusers. I already removed User:Feared Al Yankovic from the player category. I guess he could have his two redirects, but does the Macnchz page have to link to his userpage too?--Dehstil (t|c) 20:09, 5 July 2006 (CDT)

BuffBots

  • isn't the accepted order of everything alphabetised? why (other than otori's general awesomeness) is testudinata first in the list? --Evilkolbot 11:56, 4 August 2006 (CDT)

User Space

  • isn't the point of the user space that it's about our characters in KoL? not necessarily the wiki? i agree that the Qwerty3000 page should have been deleted, but do players really only get a page if they sign up to the wiki? is this policy? it would put a stop to libellous pages, sure. third person pages only in the wiki space, therefore only for the important. hmm. perhaps you could put something in the standards. --Evilkolbot 11:54, 10 August 2006 (CDT)
    • Wiki Users are "assigned" User:PLAYERNAME when they register with the wiki, so if the user DNE, the User: page shouldn't... else what happens if someone registers with that name, they either complain about the existing user page or replace it anyway. Yes only wikiers should have wiki User: pages. The wiki is not a player directory. KoL already has profiles, why should clones of them be here? The "Players" category is left with those few pages that did not have a User: page to move them to during the Great Player Page Removal (the wiki was getting cluttered with almost 1000 player pages which all were crap. Some of the articles in "Players" may need to be removed, but most of them left are either long, well-written, and/or interesting of semi-notable people. Hell if Jick signed up for the wiki, I'd contemplate moving his page to User:Jick, RIght now that category is mostly filled up with KoL employees, DJs can have their profiles at the Radio KoL wiki, and wiki Users: can fill in their page with some stuff and them link to their personal webspace, I hate dumps of KoL profiles, familiar lists, (anyhting that you can already view in-game really). Nobody really sees user pages anyway, they are only linked to on talk pages and in page histories/recent changes. If people want to search/find a player profile they can do that in-game. Somone else with unlimted bandwith and patience can create myKoLspace. ;-) I swear that i've bitch about this like 100 times before. I hate them all ;-), and don't get me started on the 5/6 remaining clan pages that got undeleted, I don't like making special exemptions based on subjective evaluations, it just causes flamewars, I like the consistency of across-the-board no's. [3] [4] [5]--JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 16:08, 10 August 2006 (CDT)
    • thanks for the update. no user, no page. important players in the player space. no dissention here. --Evilkolbot 02:06, 11 August 2006 (CDT)

I'd love some input

Hey, do you think you could pop over to Discussion for a moment and provide your input? What with autocat and subst for miscellaneous pages, do you still have objections? --Alpaca (T/C) 18:36, 26 August 2006 (CDT)

Please help

user:poopoopoo is randomly deleting info, please stop him. I wish i was an admin, id do it myself, but im not. --Deadgoat 00:27, 30 August 2006 (CDT)

  • thank you. --Deadgoat 00:31, 30 August 2006 (CDT)

MP showing wrong on articles

Hi there. The whirling maple leaf article and star starfish articles both say you gain MP "you gain xx muscularity points". Apparently there's something wrong with the script, because I believe that should be mana points. Can you fix it? ColtsScore 03:14, 11 September 2006 (CDT) This now appears to be fixed. ColtsScore 22:33, 11 September 2006 (CDT)


Just chucking the style for a kol style button non-button here: -Me

Log In

Hey, just popped in to say that I like the button template! --Gymnosophist 00:39, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

Teflon

Any particular reason you removed the one-day teflon ascensions from the History? I figured it was a fairly notable event...--LoopyChew 08:27, 11 September 2006 (CDT)

No Spoiler thing on the main page

I got rid of it, sorry, it was a bad idea.--SomeStranger (t|c) 23:55, 19 September 2006 (CDT)

  • It sure got people riled up though :-P --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 23:58, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
    • It was certainly incredible how infuriated people became when that message was put up. I normally would have consulted with other admins but I figured it was a "now or never" type thing. The interesting thing is that I doubt most of it would have been spoiled if I had not done so myself...*sigh*. I understand why people like to have spoilers but I don't think that having to wait 24 hours should make anyone freak out. Also, I never realized how many people used this site....(Everyone in chat was screaming about it too). The ironic thing is that people who are normally too lazy to post on the wiki and help with upkeep are the first to scream and yell when the people who normally do so, stop.--SomeStranger (t|c) 10:41, 20 September 2006 (CDT)

Choice Adventure Template

Hey, when you get a chance, please swing by Discussion#Choice Adventure template and let us know your thoughts - it would be nice to get this wrapped up. Thanks. --Gymnosophist 13:48, 29 September 2006 (CDT)

I changed a link on your user page.--Dehstil (t|c) 18:22, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

Useitem

There's one problem with the change you made - it forces the table to be 90% of the page's width, even if it would not have normally taken up that much room. I think, in this case, it would be best to revert the last change and then embed the entire block in an additional table/div with the 90% width constraint (so as to only impose a maximum). --Quietust (t|c) 21:20, 3 November 2006 (CST)

  • My mind was thinking max-width, but my fingers typed width. And since max width fails in IE, or really, vice versa, it's just now padded 5% left and right, 100 - 5 - 5 = 90, effectively.... hopefully. ;-) --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 22:30, 3 November 2006 (CST)

Userboxes

See conversation over at Munkel's talk page. I'm mostly neutral on the issue, and you've been here a lot longer than I have; besides, you also seem to be more concerned about (and thus have a better sense for) what's appropriate for the wiki. --Quietust (t|c) 18:32, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

Bots

I can agree that the new introduction I put on the bots page is more complex than the old one, but it's also much more accurate. The old one used a very loose concept of what a "bot" is and, while it itself might not confuse the uninitiated, it would certainly not help them understand the public usage of the term.

I hate Wikipedia edit war dreck; any chance we can agree on an introduction that's more complete than what you reverted it to?--Us3r1d 17:30, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

  • It just seemed to be a lot of words, not really saying that much. It also seemed to be almost (unintentionally) insulting (like if this confuses you, you must be a stupid n00b). ;-) The whole "At its most/least restrictive" thing seemed unnecessary. (Insert joke here about your mom being "least restrictive", oh yeah I di-id). Well anyway, I was trying to reword it, but was unsatisfied with anything I came up with. I wasn't even sure what it is that made the term "bot" confusing in the first place! If you come up with something better (factual/efficient/concise/etc. blah blah), feel free to try again ;-) Just think encyclopedic with a neutral tone. "A bot is this, does this, can also be this." type. --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 17:44, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

Spooky animal skeleton

So sorry! And thanks for fixing my... "edit"! It has been proven over the course of this week that I can no longer read. And this was exam week. Hoo boy. Nagyss 00:01, 24 June 2007 (CDT)


Hippies Don't Surf

Heh, beat me to my self-correction. Thanks. I keep getting wires crossed in page formatting from long period of lack of page editing. UltimateRandom 04:45, 27 June 2007 (GMT)

Request for arbitration

I've just had a run-in with deli guy, a user who claims I am overly arrogant and not suited to being an admin. Please read the comment he left on my talk page and let me know what you think. For a little bit of background, he uploaded an image, comparing Gnirf, the World's Sneakiest Gnome with the Tan-U-Lots Tanning Beds, consisting of a very large table and taking up over a megabyte of space, and wanted to know how to place it on the wiki page for Gnirf. I certainly hope my position as admin hasn't gone to my head, so I'd prefer some additional opinions in this matter. --Quietust (t|c) 15:24, 29 June 2007 (CDT)

The {{Announcement}} Needs Updated

The Halloween notice is gone, but the main page still says it's Dependence Day. ColtsScore 08:57, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

  • The Dependence Day notice had to be manually added due to it being 2 holidays at once - I've removed it now. --Quietust (t|c) 09:24, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
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