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* Consider adding The [[bar whip]] , When using the bobble hip hula elf, and a coffee pixie type familiar. | * Consider adding The [[bar whip]] , When using the bobble hip hula elf, and a coffee pixie type familiar. | ||
*Consider adding the [[bottle rocket crossbow]] , it is much better then the [[Meatspout staff]] and can be dual weilded | |||
==Class and Zodiac sign== | ==Class and Zodiac sign== | ||
Revision as of 17:10, 27 October 2007
Okay, I am officially taking charge of this project again :). First order of business: generate the new meat per adventure (mpa) for the castle in the sky. This is going to be VERY complicated compared to the Icy Peak considering the variety of factors. My calculations/info/requests/other things will be listed below. --SomeStranger (t|c) 10:10, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
NOTE: I assume that all items are autosold (keeps everything simplistic). I might take into account the value of the furry mask, but I am not sure yet. NOTE: We round all numbers to the hundreths place.
Combat Adventures - 152.12 mpa
- We can posit that the combat adventure rate is 75% since Jick likes even numbers, however if the wheel adventure is taken into account the actual combat adventure rate is more in the area of 81.2%.
- There are 6 combat adventures that can occur at any given time.
- Alphabet Giant - 152.2 mpa
- Furry Giant - 151.7 mpa
- Goth Giant - 151.7 mpa
- Possibility Giant - 152.1 mpa
- Procrastination Giant - 152.3 mpa
- Raver Giant - 152.7 mpa
Non-Combat Adventures - 423 mpa
- That makes Non-combat adventures 18.8%.
- There are four non-combat adventures which can occur at any given time.
- In a Black Room, with Black Curtains - 594 mpa
- thin black candle - 144 meat
- Warm Subject gift certificate - 450 meat (not taking into account the first time you get the goth kid t-shirt)
- What are the Odds? - 254 mpa
- plot hole - 128 meat
- chaos butterfly - 124 meat
- The stat giving adventures are not taken into account because it assumed that it is the procrastination's giant turn to guard the back door (no stat adventures).
- The Wheel is not taken into account because leaving it alone does not use an adventure.
- It is important to know that the mpa for non-combat adventures cannot be modifed by items or buffs. It is static.
Autosell value Combat Adventures items - 113.92 mpa
The following table shows the 6 giants in The Castle in the Clouds in the Sky, and the value of the items they drop, per combat adventure.
All drop rate data was taken from the The Castle in the Clouds in the Sky links, and should be verified before using this table. Note that the Warm Subject gift certificate should be used, not sold.
| Monster | Item | Chance | Autosell Price/Use | Avarage gain Per fight with this giant |
| Alphabet Giant | heavy D | 39.3 | 135 | 53.055 |
| original G | 41.3 | 143 | 59.059 | |
| Furry Giant | disturbing fanfic | 37.4 | 129 | 48.246 |
| furry fur | 29.1 | 132 | 38.412 | |
| wolf mask | 10.5 | 165 | 17.325 | |
| Goth Giant | awful poetry journal | 29 | 136 | 39.44 |
| thin black candle | 29.2 | 144 | 42.048 | |
| Warm Subject gift certificate | 28.6 | 450 | 128.7 | |
| Possibility Giant | chaos butterfly | 22.4 | 128 | 28.672 |
| plot hole | 30.9 | 128 | 39.552 | |
| probability potion | 18.9 | 124 | 23.436 | |
| Procrastination Giant | procrastination potion | 28.9 | 138 | 39.882 |
| Raver Giant | Angry Farmer candy | 30.6 | 137 | 41.922 |
| giant needle | 29.2 | 141 | 41.172 | |
| Mick's IcyVapoHotness Rub | 28.4 | 150 | 42.6 |
So, the gain from autoselling combat adventure items is 113.92 mpa (a sixth of the sum of the last column).
Due to the way they work, item drop increasing effects will thus add 1.139 mpa per +1% Item-drop-rate increase.
Formula
If we use the above data we can determine that the formula is:
(combat adv chance)(meat bonus(mpa per combat adv)) + (item bonus(113.92)) + (non-combat adv chance)(mpa per non-combat adv)
Therefore, if we plug in the data we get:
81.2(meatbonus(152.12)+itembonus(113.92))+18.8(424)
Weapon and skill choices
When the skills are reevaluated, Double Fisted should be taken out, as the meatspout renders the dual wielding of two machetes to be inefficient. Not only does the meatspout staff give a greater +meat%, but its power is higher as well. --J12601 13:47, 27 October 2006 (CDT)
- Considering the efficiency of NPZR in Castle farming, as long as the Monster's HP are 4.95 times its weight, and based on Dbandit's posts, Musk of the Moose should be the only skill used to increase combat frequency, as both The Polka of Plenty and Fat Leon's Phat Loot Lyric are obvious choices (increase net meat output almost 90% of the time), and Ur-Kel's Aria of Annoyance is needed to keep the Monster HP high enough for a 50 lbs (using Amphibian Sympathy, Empathy of the Newt , Heavy Petting, Leash of Linguini, plexiglass pith helmet and rhesus monkey) NPZR (+98 ML, for a total yield of 1,025 mpa from the NPZR alone). --The Safe 10:49, 13 November 2006 (CST)
- Consider replacing the Phat Loot Lyric with Carlweather's Cantata of Confrontation, if Combat outcome is higher than 956 mpa (using a 34 lbs NPZR, or accumulating +450% meat effects), as it adds (20×1.14 =) 23 mpa to the combat adventures, and is worthwhile while:
532.72 + (Non-combat mpa) < (combat mpa)
--The Safe 06:16, 14 November 2006 (CST)
- If you have it, is there any merit to equipping the Plexiglass Pendant to get the extra AT Buff and use Phat/Polka/Cantata/Aria?
- As for equipping the monster bait, that accessory slot is better utilized even by a Lucky rabbit's foot, as the following is always true:
(combat mpa)×0.85/(1-((1-0.85)/3))×1.07 > (combat mpa)×0.9/(1-((1-0.9)/3))
--The Safe 06:16, 14 November 2006 (CST)
- As for using snowcones, that depends on their mall value. A blue snowcone would add 31 mpa (30 × 1.14 × 0.894 chance for combat), green 89.4 mpa (67 if using a Leprechaun), and red 44.7 mpa.
So, a blue snowcone is better sold for 620 meat than used, a green snowcone for 1,789 meat, and a red snowcone for 895 meat. --The Safe 06:16, 14 November 2006 (CST)
- All of this data is actually present on the main page right now, but with the wrong mpa calculated for them. Once we determine the formula we are going to use we can go ahead and convert all of the old data. (By the way we round to the hundredths place). Give it a little bit longer and then we can start on the main page.--SomeStranger (t|c) 16:39, 13 November 2006 (CST)
- The points I was trying to make refer to NPZR vs Leprechaun farming (in view of the need to reserve an AT buff slot for the aria of annoyane) and combat frequency enhancers - which should NOT be used.--The Safe 17:32, 13 November 2006 (CST)
- Oh...oops.--SomeStranger (t|c) 17:58, 13 November 2006 (CST)
--Hairgirl 12:31, 17 February 2007 (CST)
- Consider adding the Bobble-hip hula elf doll as an off-hand item which when combined with the Muculent machete has a greater gain than the Meatspout staff alone.
- Consider adding The Flaming pink shirt which gives a 15% item drop from monsters.
- Consider adding The Evil flaming eyeball pendant which gives a 15% meat drop from monsters.
- Consider adding The 7-ball which gives a 5% meat drop from monsters.
- Consider adding The bar whip , When using the bobble hip hula elf, and a coffee pixie type familiar.
- Consider adding the bottle rocket crossbow , it is much better then the Meatspout staff and can be dual weilded
Class and Zodiac sign
NPZR farming at the castle should be done with a moxie character (DB or AT), so that moxie for "no hit" is achieved by level 16 (with hair spray), even for +140 ML modifier.--The Safe 13:16, 14 November 2006 (CST)
Notes
If the wheel is set so that the procrastination giant guards the back door the stat giving adventure no longer occurs and so the first two non combat adventures will be the only ones to use an adventure. Based on the current meat values of the two applicable non-combat adventures the average mpa non-combat would be 423.--Dbandit 02:28, 30 October 2006 (CST)
I was looking at the Non-combat adventure percentage and i was thinking that effectively a third of the non combat adventures would come up as the wheel. This would end up not using the adventure and so assuming it was used in the castle again it could posibly turn up as a combat adventure(or not). Using the values 75% combat 25% non-combat and a 1/3 of the non-combat being the Wheel adventure, and summing to infinity for the amount of times a non-combat adventure turns up (ratio of 0.083 3dp starting number of 0.166 3dp), there would be a non-combat adventure that uses your adventure 18.18% 2dp of the time. This is assuming the wheel was set to the back door and each time you ran in to it you left it alone and then adventured at the castle again.--Dbandit 03:07, 30 October 2006 (CST)
May I request a disambiguation page?
Advanced meat farming could mean one of several things and I belive versions of what is best deserve their own page. --Radar 5pm june 4, 2007
With the Castle in the Sky, If you have an ADD, or a meat making familiar, you could easily earn 350-500 meat per combat adventure, respectively. --User: Supermarshmallowman 12:49 pm, August 12, 2007 (Mountian US time)
Pulverize versus Autosell
Since the Giant Needle and the Wolf Mask both pulverize into a twinkly wad roughly 50% of the time, and 4 nuggets the rest of the time, it can be reasoned that essentially 10 of each of those items yields 9 wads. You usually get 5 wads and 20 nuggets per 10 smashed, and assuming either a) Malus access, or b) the ability to get Malus access during an upcoming run or through a clan member or friend on this run, it can then be reasoned that you will eventually get 9 wads out of those 10 items. Current wad prices (as of todays Marketplace data) is ~376 per, while the needles and masks run at ~330 each. Since 10 wads will theoretically sell for 3384, and 10 needles for 3300, smashing your needles and masks to make wads will net slightly more profit.
If you do not have Pulverize, then malling the needles and masks will still earn you more meat than autoselling them, provided you are patient enough to wait for them to sell. Masks and needles seem to move in a volume of 1-2000 per day, while twinkly wads move over 5000 units a day. The autosell for 10 giant needles is 1650, while malling them even at minimum price will likely result in them being sold.--J12601 13:15, 30 October 2006 (CST)
Meat per Adventure formula
I just spent a few hours getting this formula down. This is the formula for adventuring at the Giant Castle without any added meat or item percentages, or changing the combat frequency.
.75(m(151.82)+i(125.025))+.25(424) = 313.6
Frequency of combat adventures (meat% (average amount of meat from combat adventures) + item% (average amount of meat made from all the items)) + noncombat frequency (average noncombat meat)
The formula I used to predict the amount of meat I'd get under my circumstances is:
.8(5.34(151.82)+1.54(125.025))+.2(424) = 887.4
I adventured a hundred times under these exact conditions, resulting in getting 91244 meat, which is quite close to my prediction. I'd say the formula is pretty accurate. Comments, questions? If other people could use this formula and work out any kinks, and then use it for the new Advanced Farming page, that would be cool. --TimJing 12:34, 12 November 2006 (CST)
- I think that 152.2 as the mpa for combat adventures functions slightly better than your 151.82. The rest can be blamed on chance.--SomeStranger (t|c) 13:04, 12 November 2006 (CST)
The combat frequency / nc frequency should be changed to take the wheel into account:
Effective Combat Frequency = Combat Frequency/(1-(1-Combat Frequency)*1/3)
This would obviously give a non-combat frequency of:
non-combat frequency = 1 - Effective Combat Frequency
This yields a number closer to the result above.--Dbandit 05:21, 13 November 2006 (CST)
- The wheel is not relevant if you turn it to procrastination giant taking out the trash and make sure to press the "leave it alone" button every time. The leave it alone button does not cost an adventure and setting it at the procrastination giant taking out the trash assures that you don't get any non combat stat adventures.--SomeStranger (t|c) 16:37, 13 November 2006 (CST)
- I realise that the wheel doesn't use an adventure but it is relevant in the fact that there is a chance of getting it as a non combat adventure. This means that 1/3 of the time when you should have got a non-combat adventure you actually got no adventure (the wheel adventure), this means the effective percent of combat adventures is increased from the base level.
- i.e. 3 out of 4 times when i adventure i get a combat straight off, the other 1 of 4 times i get a non-combat. 2 out of 3 of these non-combats uses an adventure. The other 1 of 3 i leave the wheel alone and have a 3 in 4 chance of combat or a 1 in 4 chance of another non-combat (which may also turn out to be the wheel). The formula above for Effective Combat Frequency takes this into account. In 48 adventures i would get 36 combat, 8 adventure using non-combat, 3 wheel then combat, 1 wheel then non combat(which could be a wheel or a adventure using non-combat, if it is a wheel it could be combat or non-combat again). Thats atleast 39 combats out of 48 adventures, which is more than the base combat frequency of 75%.
- I don't know how to explain it more without uploading a probability tree, which would probably be overkill.--Dbandit 06:40, 15 November 2006 (CST)
Best Food Script is back
I rewrote my script in python, but the data is way out of date, so I won't use it to update the page right away until I can get some marketplace data/consumption data into the table, but here's the code:
# input: "name", adv, full, comment, price
fd=[["nothing", 0, 1, "No comment", 0], # v
["abominable snowcone", 3.5, 2, "No comment", 152], # v
# ["angel-food cake", 3, 3, "Gift", 20000], # a,s
["asparagus stir-fry", 2.5, 1, "No comment", 2675], # v
# ["Au Jus Gezund Heit", 5, 4, "Chez Snootée", 75], # a
# ["babycakes", 2, 2, "Gift", 2000], # a,s
# ["balaclava baklava", 2.5, 2, "No comment"], # a,p
["bat haggis", 4.2, 2, "No comment", 359], # w
["bat wing chow mein", 24, 5, "No comment", 6039], # v
["bat wing kabob", 3.5, 2, "No comment", 728], # probably
["bat wing stir-fry", 9.7, 3, "No comment", 3394], # w
# ["bell-shaped Crimbo cookie", 9, 2, "Crimbo"], # a
["bean burrito", 5.2, 3, "No comment", 312], # w
# ["birthday party jellybean cheesecake",3,3,"Gift",100000],# a,s
# ["blue velvet cake", 3, 3, "Gift", 5000], # a,s
["boring spaghetti", 7.3, 3, "No comment", 1971],# close,98 samples
["Boris's key lime pie", 11.3, 4, "No comment", 2691], # w
# ["Bouillabaise Coucher Avec Moi",7,5,"Chez Snootée",100],# a
["bowl of cottage cheese", 2, 2, "No comment", 155], # v,s,???
["bowl of lucky charms", 1.5, 1, "No comment", 1355],
["Brimstone Chicken Sandwich", 4, 3, "No comment", 109],# v
# ["can of Red Minotaur", 1, 1, "No comment", 2649], # old
["candy cane", 3.3, 1, "No comment", 2591],
["carob brownies", 3.5, 2, "No comment", 120],
["carob chunk cookies", 3.5, 2, "No comment", 123],
["carob chunk noodles", 5.8, 3, "No comment", 340],
["carob chunks", 1.2, 1, "No comment", 100],
["catsup", 1, 1, "No comment", 1236],
["cherry", 2, 1, "No comment", 788],
["chorizo brownies", 5.8, 3, "No comment", 159],
["chorizo taco", 2, 1, "No comment", 115],
["cocoa eggshell fragment", 1.6, 1, "No comment", 419],
["cranberries", 1.5, 1, "No comment", 102],
["delicious noodles", 8, 3, "No comment", 861],
["delicious spicy noodles", 10.9, 3, "No comment", 1873],
["Double Bacon Beelzeburger", 4.1, 3, "No comment", 131],
["dwarf bread", 3.9, 3, "No comment", 3803],
["Elfin shortbread", 6, 3, "No comment", 459],
["enchanted bean burrito", 6.1, 3, "No comment", 509],
["Ent cider", 3.5, 2, "No comment", 1642],
["fettucini Inconnu", 16.8, 6, "No comment", 4052],
["fruitcake", 4.5, 3, "No comment", 2239],
["ghost cucumber", 3.5, 2, "No comment", 4044],
["ghuol egg", 1, 1, "No comment", 504],
["ghuol egg quiche", 3.9, 2, "No comment", 206],
["ghuol guolash", 4.5, 3, "No comment", 260],
["ghuol-ear kabob", 3.7, 2, "No comment", 124],
["gingerbread bugbear", 2.9, 1, "No comment", 6777],
["glass of goat's milk", 1, 1, "No comment", 740],
["gnocchetti di Nietzsche", 17.5, 6, "No comment", 3819],
["goat cheese", 2.7, 2, "No comment", 1185],
["goat cheese pizza", 6.8, 3, "No comment", 637],
["gr8ps", 1.2, 1, "No comment", 3414],
["grapefruit", 1, 1, "NPC buy", 70],
["grapes", 1, 1, "NPC buy", 70],
["Hell broth", 10.7, 4, "No comment", 4018],
["Hell ramen", 25.4, 6, "No comment", 5460.5], # gives ~22.5 meat?
["herb brownies", 3.5, 2, "No comment", 4643],
["hippy herbal tea", 2.2, 1, "No comment", 100],
["hot buttered roll", 1, 1, "No comment", 1022],
["hot wing", 1.5, 1, "No comment", 108],
["insanely spicy bean burrito", 10.9, 3, "No comment", 2673],
["insanely spicy enchanted bean burrito", 11.6, 3, "No comment", 2998],
["Jarlsberg's key lime pie", 11.7, 4, "No comment", 2519],
["Jumbo Dr. Lucifer", 1, 1, "No comment", 102],
["jumbo olive", 1.6, 1, "No comment", 719],
["ketchup", 1, 1, "No comment", 1297],
["Knob mushroom", 2.6, 2, "No comment", 215],
["Knob sausage", 2.6, 2, "No comment", 242],
["Knob sausage chow mein", 25, 5, "No comment", 5843],
["Knob sausage stir-fry", 10.7, 3, "No comment", 3090],
["Knob shroomkabob", 3.4, 2, "No comment", 164],
["Knob stir-fry", 5.2, 2, "No comment", 1481],
["Knoll mushroom", 2.8, 2, "No comment", 1232],
["Knoll shroomkabob", 3.4, 2, "No comment", 106],
["Knoll stir-fry", 5.8, 2, "No comment", 2130],
["large cocoa eggshell fragment", 3, 2, "No comment", 829],
["lemon", 1, 1, "NPC buy", 70],
["lihc eye pie", 6.2, 4, "No comment", 224],
["lime", 1.9, 1, "No comment", 1014],
["Lord of the Flies-sized fries", 4, 3, "No comment", 103],
["Lucky Surprise Egg", 1, 1, "No comment", 3174],
["menudo", 5, 2, "No comment", 274],
["mind flayer corpse", 5, 5, "No comment", 160],
["mushroom pizza", 7, 3, "No comment", 421],
["olive", 1, 1, "NPC buy", 70],
["olive stir-fry", 2.6, 1, "No comment", 1500],
["orange", 1, 1, "NPC buy", 70],
["painful penne pasta", 8.2, 3, "No comment", 1157],
["papaya", 1.5, 1, "No comment", 165],
["papaya taco", 2.2, 1, "No comment", 134],
["piece of wedding cake", 2.9, 2, "No comment", 316],
["plain pizza", 3.1, 2, "No comment", 140],
["pr0n chow mein", 19.8, 4, "No comment", 4841],
["pr0n cocktail", 3.4, 2, "No comment", 650],
["pr0n m4nic0tti", 10.9, 4, "No comment", 986],
["pr0n stir-fry", 6.9, 2, "No comment", 1935],
["purple pixel pie", 4.4, 3, "No comment", 422],
["radio button candy", 5.6, 1, "No comment", 819000],
["rat appendix chow mein", 24.5, 5, "No comment", 6030],
["rat appendix stir-fry", 10, 3, "No comment", 3526],
["rat appendix-kabob", 3.5, 2, "No comment", 108],
["ravioli della hippy", 8.3, 3, "No comment", 575],
["royal jelly", 1, 1, "No comment", 154],
["sausage pizza", 6.8, 3, "No comment", 269],
["skewered cat appendix", 3.4, 2, "No comment", 162],
["Sneaky Pete's key lime pie", 12.3, 4, "No comment", 2768],
["spaghetti with Skullheads", 17.7, 6, "No comment", 4049],
["Spam Witch sammich", 2.5, 2, "No comment", 128],
["spectral pickle", 23.1, 4, "No comment", 45066],
["spicy bean burrito", 8.6, 3, "No comment", 886],
["spicy enchanted bean burrito", 8.8, 3, "No comment", 995],
["spicy noodles", 9, 3, "No comment", 780],
["spooky mushroom", 2.8, 2, "No comment", 355],
["spooky shroomkabob", 3.4, 2, "No comment", 111],
["spooky stir-fry", 5.1, 2, "No comment", 1299],
["stalk of asparagus", 1.1, 1, "No comment", 558],
["strawberry", 1, 1, "NPC buy", 70],
["stuffed spooky mushroom", 5.7, 3, "No comment", 261],
["t8r tots", 1.3, 1, "No comment", 137],
["toast", 1, 1, "No comment", 138],
["tofu casserole", 5.9, 3, "No comment", 220],
["tofu chow mein", 14.3, 3, "No comment", 4714],
["tofu stir-fry", 3.6, 1, "No comment", 3950],
["tomato", 1, 1, "NPC buy", 70],
["Trollhouse cookies", 2.5, 2, "No comment", 124],
["uncooked chorizo", 1.2, 1, "No comment", 100],
["White Castle burger", 3, 2, "No comment", 189],
["White Castle fries", 3, 2, "No comment", 138],
["white chocolate and tomato pizza", 6, 3, "No comment", 2273],
["white chocolate chip cookies", 3.2, 2, "No comment", 100],
["white chocolate chips", 1.1, 1, "No comment", 106]]
# naive unbounded knapsack solver
# v[x]=fd[x][1]*mpa-fd[x][4]
# u[x]=fd[x][2]
U=15 # max fullness
nl=list(0 for i in range(max(len(fd),U+1)))
ul=range(len(fd))
def knapsack(mpa,index=4):
x=nl[:]
xx=nl[:]
z=nl[:]
uu=fd[0][2]
adv=0
cost=0
for i in range(1,U+1):
for j in ul:
if fd[j][2]>i: continue
b=fd[j][1]*mpa-fd[j][index]+z[i-fd[j][2]]
if b<=z[i]: continue
z[i]=b
xx[i]=j
while i>=1:
a=xx[i]
x[a]+=1
i=i-fd[a][2]
return x[:len(fd)]
o=[]
kzero=knapsack(0)
kx=knapsack(2,1)
i=2**12
upper=i
while i!=1:
while knapsack(upper)!=kx:
upper+=i
upper-=i
i>>=1
o.append([upper+1,kx])
kx=knapsack(upper)
while kx!=kzero:
i=upper/4
while i>0:
while knapsack(upper)==kx:
upper-=i
upper+=i
i>>=1
o.append([upper,kx])
upper-=1
kx=knapsack(upper)
o.append([0,kzero])
for i in o:
print "mpa:",i[0]
for j in ul:
if i[1][j]!=0:
print "\t",i[1][j],fd[j][0],"(",fd[j][1],"adv,",fd[j][2],"fullness,",fd[j][4],"meat)"
print ""
Regards.--Dehstil (t|c) 19:34, 13 February 2007 (CST)
Hey guys, I made my own best foods calculator. (I can modify it to add best drinks as well). It takes into account that you can get 15 fullness per day, so if you choose the food you want to eat, and the amount of meat you earn per adventure (plenty of scripts for that) you can find your net meat per day for any given food. I don't think any other scripts take this into account. I hope that makes sense. This is only a draft though: Does anyone know where I can find a well-formatted database with food/adventures/fullness stats that I can copy directly into excel? Mall costs would be great too.
-Dawdawdo
- There's this site, which has a table that you should be able to copy and paste into Excel. However, it's got several things that are wrong or out of date, where the Wiki has correct(er) values. Of course, it's probably got correct values where the Wiki has wrong values too. KoLMafia seems to have already converted that page into text format. As for mall prices, things can fluctuate quite a bit. You may want to contact the Coldfront folks in charge of this page if you're convinced up-to-date Meat prices are necessary. --Bagatelle 10:52, 26 August 2007 (CDT)
Great, Thank you very much. This should be a good start. I'll post the new calculator with updated Booze/Food efficiencies soon. -Dawdawdo
Ok, I've got the worksheet working for food only. You simply enter your current mpa and current cost of the food, (say, in the mall) to see its cost effectiveness. This works really great with Lordhed's mpa calculator. I'll add the booze later.
BTW, It turns out that the KOL mafia site got its numbers from the other site you listed, so the tables are both the same.
Anyone know how I can put this in a thread by itself. As in, how do I create item 12 in the contents? I'm kinda new to this. Thanks all. -Dawdawdo 22:34:56 CDT, 27 August 2007
- The contents automatically update when you start a new heading:
==New Heading in Between Equals Signs Like This==
- You may want to skim over Help:Contents if you're new to Wiki editing. Remember to sign your name and date with --~~~~ on talk pages so people don't respond to two-year old comments (or so we can hope). --Bagatelle 22:47, 27 August 2007 (CDT)
Gain per adventure C++ Program
Well, I just whipped this up for myself and figured I might as well share it. I haven't tested it thoroughly. Do with it what you will. BSD License :)
Interestingly, it seems that if you're currently farming the Castle with three items that boost your meat gains by 10% each (ie. I'm using Toy Train, Toy Crazy Train, Porquoise Necklace), you're better off using three lucky rabbit's feet. Here's my calculations:
burke@zaphod ~ $ g++ meat.cc -o meat burke@zaphod ~ $ ./meat Enter meat bonus (ie. 3.15 for 315%) .3 Enter item bonus (ie. 3.15 for 315%) 0 How many adventures are you going to farm for? 100 Your average meat mpa is 160.578 Your average item mpa is 172.027 Your average total mpa is 332.605 Your total meat from meat drops is 16057.8 Your meat from items is 17202.7 Your combined total gain is 33260.5 burke@zaphod ~ $ ./meat Enter meat bonus (ie. 3.15 for 315%) .21 Enter item bonus (ie. 3.15 for 315%) .21 How many adventures are you going to farm for? 100 Your average meat mpa is 149.461 Your average item mpa is 191.453 Your average total mpa is 340.914 Your total meat from meat drops is 14946.1 Your meat from items is 19145.3 Your combined total gain is 34091.4
See how in the first run of the program, my meat bonus is .3, item is 0. In the second, I have .21 for both, since each lucky rabbit's foot gives +7% to each. As it turns out, you end up at +8 meat/adventure, give or take (rough "calculation"). In addition, feet are dirt cheap (currently ~3k/ea). Toy Trains, on the other hand, are ~100,000 meat.
Here's the code.
#include <iostream>
using namespace std;
int main() {
const double COMBAT_ADV_RATE = 0.812;
const double NONCOMBAT_ADV_RATE = 1-COMBAT_ADV_RATE;
const double BASE_MEAT_DROP = 152.12;
const double BASE_ITEM_DROP = 113.92;
const double NONCOMBAT_MEAT = 423;
double meat_bonus;
double item_bonus;
int adventures;
double mpa_meat;
double mpa_item;
double mpa_total;
double meat_meat;
double meat_item;
double meat_total;
cout << "Enter meat bonus (ie. 3.15 for 315%)" << endl;
cin >> meat_bonus;
cout << "Enter item bonus (ie. 3.15 for 315%)" << endl;
cin >> item_bonus;
cout << "How many adventures are you going to farm for?" << endl;
cin >> adventures;
mpa_meat = (COMBAT_ADV_RATE * BASE_MEAT_DROP * (1+meat_bonus));
mpa_item = (COMBAT_ADV_RATE * BASE_ITEM_DROP * (1+item_bonus))
+ (NONCOMBAT_MEAT * NONCOMBAT_ADV_RATE );
mpa_total = mpa_item + mpa_meat;
meat_meat = mpa_meat * adventures;
meat_item = mpa_item * adventures;
meat_total = mpa_total * adventures;
cout << "Your average meat mpa is " << mpa_meat << endl
<< "Your average item mpa is " << mpa_item << endl
<< "Your average total mpa is " << mpa_total << endl
<< "Your total meat from meat drops is " << meat_meat << endl
<< "Your meat from items is " << meat_item << endl
<< "Your combined total gain is " << meat_total << endl;
}
His Noodleyness 01:48, 18 February 2007 (CST)
Yoink
How does this affect things - I've been having good results using yoink and the ice skates with the evil eye - I've been trying to work the formula but it's been 8 years since I did maths and I never saw that formula
And this
As for equipping the monster bait, that accessory slot is better utilized even by a Lucky rabbit's foot
Is actually untrue. With ninja farming, and a suitably high weigth ninja, the bait could improve your gains. As you should be using a fat ninja to farm at it's best the bait can be an improvement over a rabbit foot
Also it would help if we could compile a list of the damage done at each poundage of ninja (each lb have 3 damages done. Once you know the higthest damage done you can plan safe farming) --Sniddy 08:31, 27 May 2007 (CDT)
For a 40 lb (assuming all poss skills but no items) the damage is 64.5 each time it attacks, or 241 each 30-round battle. At 15th or higher level Aria should be enough to keep the giants alive that long. Also, with some calculation, the pendant is better than a rabbit's foot at 35 lbs of ninja, possibly below, as it lets you Polka/Loot/Aria/Cantata. Similarly the monster bait is better.--Lordhed 16:24, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
Also, a formula for farming with an NPZR:
mpa = (combat frequency) * (meat bonus * 152.12 + item bonus * 113.92 + 3.75 * (6 * NPZR buffed weight + 10) + (non-combat frequency) * 424
--Lordhed 16:38, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
Another thing: I made an excel spreadsheety thing to do this all automatically: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SVXPXQ5Q --Lordhed 14:58, 5 June 2007 (CDT)
