Talk:Melvil Dewey Would Be Ashamed

Option 1: I get the Necrotelicomnicon--Toffile 23:36, 29 May 2007 (CDT)

Option 2 (the green book) gives the Cookbook of the Damned. --Discordia 23:51, 29 May 2007 (CDT)

Option 3: I got Sinful Desires Ershatz 00:01, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

How rare is this adventure? Does it occur for non-spellcasters? I've put in 60 advs as a TT and not gotten it yet. --Jonrock 00:23, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

• It does occur for non-spellcasters, I got it in about 10 advs with a Seal Clubber multi. However after more than 40 advs as a Turtle Tamer I have not yet got this adv. Also it appears to only occur once a day.--Manial 00:29, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
• Got it as a PM in ~5 turns, haven't gotten it again yet. Trying to get it as a SC... Still need to unlock the Manor. Also, it might be once per run, too. Can't say it's once per day with only one day to test it. --TechSmurf 00:38, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
  • Got it again as a PM, took ~45 turns to get it the second time. So, not once a day (as a PM, at least).--TechSmurf 00:50, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

• One more datum: I got it after 20adv as a DB. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 14:12, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

• I got it on my first adventure as a PM, and not again in 54 more. (And the actual number of clicks was much higher, because I chose "Reading is for losers" every time I found a bookshelf -- which happened a lot -- and that doesn't cost adventures.) Next day, another 65 adventures -- again, not including dozens of skipped bookshelves -- and never saw it. --Baltar 01:11, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
• Got all 3 books as PM in one day, pre-ascension. --Pastela 03:10, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't keeping track, but I got it 3 times in less than 30 adventures as a P yesterday. And I don't think I've ever gotten the adventure when not a P, though I don't exactly spend a whole lot of time in that area anyway. --Olaf the Hungry 08:31, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I got it on my first adventure as a Pasta, this might be a theme --KEM 00:51, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

• It's not *that* much of a theme - just got it for the first time, after ~30 adventures, with a pastamancer. --Neminem 01:44, 30 May 2007 (CDT). EDIT: Got it a second time, about 80 adventures after the first. --02:09
  • Next day, got the third one with the same character, after about 50 adventures spent in the library. Yay, more anecdotal evidence!--Neminem 00:34, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

Well, per the announcement it apparently is supposed to be much easier for a PM than for other classes. I ended up with close to 100 advs (I lost count) with my TT and never saw it. Note: this TT is my *unascended* multi that will be spading Q11 and Q12, so ascension count might also make a difference. --Jonrock 01:16, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

I've also gotten it nearlly 4 times, i'm wondering if i should stock pile the books...they work really well in combat

Level 30 disco bandit, I used all my rollover adventures (don't know how many, but I only had 2 at rollover), plus all my adventures from eating 3 rat appendix chows. I didn't get the adventure, and I'm giving up on it for now ColtsScore 02:36, 30 May 2007 (CDT) Used another 34 turns, still didn't get it. Must be some karmic revenge for turning down the corners in my library books or something. If someone's going to start working on spading this out, k-mail me and I'll help out : ) ColtsScore 03:12, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Got it on the 2nd adv. as a TT, in hardcore. --Lerah1 23:47, 3 July 2008 (CDT)

Reference: Is it just me, or is the "gaffling the purple-bound book" to be sung to the tune of "Follow the Yellow-brick road"?--MaskedLihc 03:00, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Reference: The line about "Quiet, please, or I'll swallow your soul" is a reference to "Army of Darkness" where Ash confronts the dedite who screams "I'll swallow your soul." and Ash replies, "Come get some!"--Fettucini carabinieri 09:01, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

• Or maybe Cthulhu? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DsgZ4JXXB8&mode=related&search= Except he's not a librarian either. "I'll swallow your soul" is an over used cliche phrase. We need something more to know if it is a reference to something specific, like Army of Darkness, Evil Dead II, Cthulhu, or dozen of other places this one phrase is used. --Crowther 13:42, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Those of you who got it a several times (almost) in a row, did you take a book each time? --I Shot the Serif 15:55, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Playing by hand? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I collect the Sinful Desires book, but if I'm in HC or ronin it's better to get a variety and then zap to SD later. Currently I'm doing a bit of bot spading on this with a TT character who hitting the library in 100 adv blocks, always getting SD. I wasn't going to post results until I had at least 1000 adv done. At 500 done, it is looking like once ever 100 adv for that class. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 18:42, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Spelling

What an abomination of his name, but Wikipedia has it that way, too. It seems to me it should be Melville Dewey (his birth name) or Melvil Dui (his reformed spelling version, Dui being an activist in spelling reform, besides a librarian). Move along, I have nothing real to add. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 12:50, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

More reference?

"take a look at the book" could be a take off of the theme from Reading Rainbow - (The old one, with Levar Burton) - the tune included "Take a look, it's in a book"...... --DreamTheEndless 14:24, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

• Too simple. Besides, that reference has been done already, in the same zone even! --Quietust (t|c) 14:30, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Wand testing?

• Has anybody tested these with a Dungeons of Doom wand to see if they group with the other elemental books?--Dornbeast 15:59, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

I did when I got my Necrotelimicon, and it didn't zap. This was just after rollover, so the functionality may be there now.--Toffile 12:21, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

The Necrotelicomnicon shudders for a moment, but nothing happens. (today). Blimey 04:58, 13 August 2007 (CDT)

Likelihood

• as an L12 SC i've had this adventure precisely zero times in over a hundred adventures. is it really that rare? does choosing "reading is for losers" change the probability? --Evilkolbot 12:13, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
  • Taking "Reading is for losers" in one of the other adventures definitely doesn't affect the ability to get this adventure (personally tested, by accident). --Aemeth 02:34, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
    • I should qualify that, and say this is as a PM, and I didn't always choose "Reading is for losers", only sometimes. --Aemeth 02:39, 29 June 2007 (CDT)

I just received this adventure as a L9 SC, on my second adventure after unlocking the Library. --Jonrock 02:34, 1 July 2007 (CDT)

I've received this adventure twice in a row on my lvl 8 pastamancer twice in a row. And then another time lvl 9 pastamancer. All pre-ascension. --Not a pasta 23:04, 31 August 2007 (CDT)

I just got it once as a S in my first adventure.--Larryboy 10:11, 8 July 2008 (CDT)

Has anyone ever spaded the frequency of this? The original update message (May, 29 2007) said it was "rarish", but with an initial boost for Pastamancers. In a HCO run, I'm finding it slow to get all three books, but I want to get an idea how bad it will be. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 20:54, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Method: adventure in Haunted Library with no combat frequency modifiers (king not freed). Choose "Reading is for losers" for both of the "Take a Look" choices (uses no adventure, does not count towards adventures used). Get Sinful Desires at each Melvil Dewey choice (uses an adventure).

date	class	adv used	books	∑ adv	∑ books	adv / book
13 April	TT	100 adv	1 book	100 adv	1 book	100
18 April	TT	100 adv	1 book	200 adv	2 books	100
20 April	TT	200 adv	1 book	400 adv	3 books	133
21 April	TT	100 adv	0 books	500 adv	3 books	166
22 April	TT	100 adv	0 books	600 adv	3 books	200
23 April	TT	200 adv	2 books	800 adv	5 books	160
24 April	TT	100 adv	0 books	900 adv	5 books	180
25 April	TT	100 adv	0 books	1000 adv	5 books	200
26 April	TT	100 adv	1 book	1100 adv	6 books	183
27 April	TT	200 adv	2 books	1300 adv	8 books	162
28 April	TT	100 adv	2 books	1400 adv	10 books	140
29 April	TT	200 adv	0 books	1600 adv	10 books	160
30 April	TT	200 adv	1 book	1800 adv	11 books	163
3 May	TT	100 adv	0 books	1900 adv	11 books	172
4 May	TT	100 adv	0 books	2000 adv	11 books	181
date	class	adv used	books	∑ adv	∑ books	adv / book
11 May	AT	150 adv	0 books	150 adv	0 books	nan
12 May	AT	150 adv	2 books	300 adv	2 books	150
13 May	AT	150 adv	0 books	450 adv	2 books	225
14 May	AT	150 adv	1 book	600 adv	3 books	200
15 May	AT	150 adv	2 books	750 adv	5 books	150
16 May	AT	150 adv	1 book	900 adv	6 books	150
17 May	AT	150 adv	2 books	1050 adv	8 books	131
18 May	AT	150 adv	1 book	1200 adv	9 books	133
19 May	AT	150 adv	1 book	1350 adv	10 books	135
20 May	AT	200 adv	3 books	1550 adv	13 books	119
21 May	AT	100 adv	0 books	1650 adv	13 books	126
22 May	AT	150 adv	0 books	1800 adv	13 books	138
23 May	AT	150 adv	3 books	1950 adv	16 books	121
24 May	AT	150 adv	2 books	2100 adv	18 books	116
date	class	adv used	books	∑ adv	∑ books	adv / book
17 May	P	250 adv	3 books	250 adv	3 books	83
19 May	P	150 adv	2 books	400 adv	5 books	80
20 May	P	150 adv	0 books	550 adv	5 books	110
21 May	P	150 adv	1 books	700 adv	6 books	116
23 May	P	200 adv	0 books	900 adv	6 books	150
24 May	P	200 adv	1 book	1100 adv	7 books	157

At first I was thinking about once every 100 adv, but once every 200 looks more likely now. I will continue this for a while. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 19:03, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

• At 2k adv, I think I'm done with testing with a turtle tamer. Maybe Pastamancer next then go through some other classes. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 18:07, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
  • New numbers! The combined 4100 adv and 29 books as a non-Pastamancer work out to once every 141 adv. A note on the P numbers I have: that account had reached Melvil Dewey twice before I started keeping track. I'll be more careful next time. I'm guessing that Pastamancers get this about every 75 adv adventures for the first N times, and then drop off to non-P frequency. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 18:16, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Semi-rare?

Now that semi-rare adventures have been established, could this possibly be a semi-rare? Could somebody help test out my theory? -Goffrie 19:46, 14 July 2007 (CDT)

• Doubtful, it already has a semi-rare. --jupider 14:27, 4 August 2007 (CDT)
  • Still worth testing. This adventure is about as rare as a semi-rare, and who says there can't be two semi-rares in the same area? I got a book yesterday, but no sign of another, or of the black eyedrops. It's typical of semi-rares to not recur immediately. Blimey 05:02, 13 August 2007 (CDT)
    • It's very unlikely. I got this adventure then the 'Like the Sunglasses, But Less Comfortable' adventure two adventures later as a PM. I'm oxycore, so I couldn't eat a fortune cookie to tell. haruki_jitsunin 11:15, 12 October 2007 (CDT)
• I thought it was said by Jick that this is more likely to occur for a Pastamancer than the other class. Like a conditional super-likely (if you're a PM) for the first time during that run and then less likely for the rest of the run? --Shoptroll 10:14, 8 July 2008 (CDT)
• I got it twice in 10 adventures as a PM, definitely not semi-rare. Eran of Arcadia 13:05, 8 July 2008 (CDT)

I just got this adventure in a HC Boris run.

While adventuring to open the upstairs I got this as a non-combat adventure. I had +55ML running with Boris's horns (askew), pep talk and detuned radio at 10. -Beligol--Beligol 18:46, 5 April 2012 (CEST)

I'm not sure I see the point of your post. This is a noncombat adventure that anyone can get in the Library, it's just rare. Why is your +ML relevant? (I'm not trying to be rude, it just seems you might be misunderstanding something and I want to help by figuring out what that is) --timrem 19:01, 5 April 2012 (CEST)

I should have moved this up into the section on other classes besides myst. classes getting this adventure. I had not seen any evidence of this occurring in Boriscore so I thought it was worthwhile to include, but to be honest this is the first time I have gotten this adventure for a non-myst. class in 50 HC ascensions so it was quite the surprise to see it show up.--Beligol 17:53, 6 April 2012 (CEST)

• I think it is about once every 150 adventures normally. PMs (I don't think it is myst-class) get the first three instances accelerated. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 23:06, 6 April 2012 (CEST)

Citation?

"Jick has suggested that Pastamancers have a higher probability of encountering this adventure, if they haven't encountered it yet during their current ascension." When has he said this?--Blargh (talk) 14:29, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

• May 29, 2007. Oh, did you mean where? The announcement that came when the adventure was introduced. See History of Loathing (2007). I think that particular sentence you quote is wrong. I believe it is every 75 adv or so for the first 3 as a Pastamancer, and every 150 adv or so after and for others. --Club (#66669) (Talk)