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*50% [[tomato juice of powerful power]]
*50% [[tomato juice of powerful power]]
*25% [[Dungeons of Doom potion]]
*25% [[Dungeons of Doom potion]]
*20% [[Flower Power]] -- this requires available [[fullness]] or [[drunkenness]]
*20% [[The Worm Wood|Worm Wood]] item:
*20% [[The Worm Wood|Worm Wood]] item:
**[[bellhop bell]] -- +20% Muscle, <font color="red">-20%</font> Mysticality
**[[bellhop bell]] -- +20% Muscle, <font color="red">-20%</font> Mysticality
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**[[sensitive poetry journal]] -- +20% Moxie, <font color="red">-20%</font> Muscle
**[[sensitive poetry journal]] -- +20% Moxie, <font color="red">-20%</font> Muscle
*10% [[The Black Market|Black Market]] item
*10% [[The Black Market|Black Market]] item
*10% [[Flower Power]] -- this requires available [[fullness]] or [[drunkenness]]
*10% [[Stevedave's Shanty of Superiority (effect)|Stevedave's Shanty of Superiority]]
*10% [[Stevedave's Shanty of Superiority (effect)|Stevedave's Shanty of Superiority]]


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Revision as of 21:31, 22 October 2007

Data on this page needs confirmation.

Check for truthiness. Many aspects of the basement are not yet known confidently: there are reports that a 5% padding is not quite enough. Add more ideas. The when to start/Meat cost are pretty much empty.

For Loathers wanting to do a basement dive to upgrade their telescopes, the present article aims to provide strategies for doing so efficiently. While the focus will be on reaching floor 500, the strategies will also be applicable for those who want to go beyond.

Challenge Overview

Fernswarthy's Basement consists of several different types of challenges, which get more and more difficult the deeper into the basement one goes. Every fifth level is a reward (usually a stat reward, whose magnitude scales to your main stat).

Combat Challenges

Monster Level in the basement scales roughly as twice the basement level (BL) to the 1.4th power. That is,

 ML = 2 × BL1.4


Monster Notes

The Beast with n Ears
 

The Beast with n Eyes
 

A n Stone Golem

A n-Headed Hydra
  • Can do cold and stench damage
  • Subsequently, it may be safer to remove elemental forms prior to fighting one -- Coldform, however, will not suffer from double damage

The Ghost of Fernswarthy's n great-grandfather

n Bottles of Beer on a Golem

A n-Dimensional Horror

Elemental Challenges

There are five different Elemental Resistance challenges, which test two elements at once. The same amount of damage is done in both elements; failure results if HP is reduced to 0. As with the combat challenges, the damage scales with basement level:

 Elt = 4.48 × BL1.4 + 8

To repeat, the above damage is applied using both elements of the test, so the total raw damage is twice the calculated value. Additionally, there appears to be about a 5% variation in the equation, so having exactly enough HP and resistance to survive the damage indicated does not guarantee the test will be passed. This also means that it is possible to pass the tests with fewer HP than implied by the equation. Note that the elemental powder potions' effects (e.g., coldform) force elemental damage rules to be followed, so that one of the two prongs (the elemental forms cannot stack) of each test can be reduced to one point of damage. However, care must be taken to choose the form which won't double the damage received from the other prong. Damage Absorption has no effect on these challenges.


Elemental Test Elements Optimal Elemental Form

Singled Out
cold and sleaze Coldform (phial of coldness)

Peace, Bra
sleaze and stench Sleazeform (phial of sleaziness)

Still Better Than Pistachio
stench and hot Stenchform (phial of stench)

Unholy Writes
hot and spooky Hotform (phial of hotness)

The Unthawed
spooky and cold Spookyform (phial of spookiness)

Attribute Tests

The remaining challenges are passed or failed based on buffed Muscle, Mysticality, Moxie, HP, or MP.

The stat tests are thought to scale as:

 Stat = BL1.4 + 2

The HP test probably scales like:

 Phys = 10 × BL1.4

The MP test likely scales as:

 Drain = 1.67 × BL1.4

It is believed that like the elemental tests, all attribute tests have a 5% variation.


Attribute Test Notes

Lift 'em!

Push it Real Good

Ring that Bell
Muscle tests

Gathering: The Magic

Mop the Floor with the Mops

Do away with the 'doo
Mysticality tests

Don't Wake the Baby

Grab a cue


Put on the Smooth Moves
Moxie tests

Throwin' Down the Gauntlet

A Festering Powder

Number-Crunching

Assuming that the combat challenges can be handled, the major hurdle for divers will be the non-combat tests. The question of whether basement diving is feasible can be asked in two related ways:

  • How much damage is done/how big do player attributes have to be to pass the non-combat tests at a given basement level?
  • Knowing the stat/damage results, what main stat will be required to reach a particular basement level, given the buffs a player is willing to run at all times?

Table of Test Strengths

Knowing the approximate values of the tests as discussed in the outline, it is useful to have a reference of the stat strength/damage done at several common stat levels.

The following table calculates two series of numbers for every 25th level of the basement. The first set of numbers is the requirement/damage done for the equations as listed in the overview; the second pads using a 5% safety margin. The HP test is calculated at 0% DA, 60% DA (easily achievable with the armor parts of the Antique Arms And Armor outfit, plus publicly available TT buffs Astral Shell and Ghostly Shell), and 90% DA (which requires Tao of the Terrapin). Elemental damage is calculated at the 0%, 60%, and 80% levels, assuming a powder potion has been imbibed to reduce the optimal element to one point of damage -- hence the number listed is the expected damage under the appropriate resistance for the unpowdered element.


BL Stat Phys
(0% DA)
Phys
(60% DA)
Phys
(90% DA)
Drain Elt
(0% Res)
Elt
(60% Res)
Elt
(80% Res)
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49 235 2325 930 233 389 1050 420 210
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99 625 6222 2489 623 1039 2796 1119 560
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124
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299 2926 29238 11695 2924 4883 13107 5243 2622
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324 3274 32717 13087 3272 5464 14665 5866 2933
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399 4381 43789 17516 4379 7313 19626 7851 3926
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499
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Main Stat Requirements

Knowing the stat/HP/MP requirements for the tests at particular basement levels allows for the conversion of the challenges into statements about main stat.

The three stat equalization potions first treat the off-stats as if they were equal to the unbuffed potion stat, and then calculate percentage boosts of off-stats as if they were the potion stat. Hence stat tests of all three stripes are really tests of main stat, which is in practice highest.

  • oil of stability -- equalizes base Moxie and Mysticality to base Muscle, and calculates percentage Moxie/Mysticality boosts as if they were equal to Muscle
  • oil of expertise -- equalizes everything to Mysticality
  • oil of slipperiness -- equalizes everything to Moxie

For the elemental tests, given a resistance level, the expected damage can be calculated, and HP can be related to the Muscle stat, which can be related to main stat as above. Similar reasoning applies to the HP/MP tests.

For the purposes of generality, the following assumes the equipment available to a diver is of negligible help. Since percentage boosts are much better than absolute boosts at the stat levels being discussed, and it is tedious to layer on many buffs at once, only common, cheap percentage buffs will be assumed for the following discussion. A complete list of percentage buffs can be viewed at the appropriate sub-page of the Dressing For Success project.

The important potion buffs include:

This totals to +625% from "easy stat buffs" anyone can maintain. The following table then calculates the required main stat for every 25th basement level according to the equations listed previously, as well as the required stat with a 5% safety margin, given the easy buffs shown. Because of class differences, several common scenarios need to be spelled out for the HP, MP, and element tests.

  • Class differences do not affect Muscle, Mysticality, or Moxie tests, and thus there is only one column.
  • Muscle classes get an innate 50% HP bonus. Tao of the Terrapin enables a large boost in DA. Hence the HP test has four columns.
  • Mysticality classes get an innate 50% MP bonus. The MP test can be divided into Mysticality/non-Mysticality.
  • Mysticality classes cap their elemental resistance at 80%, whereas other classes cap at 60%. The innate HP bonus again has an effect. Moxie classes lose out on both the HP and 80% cap, so in practice there are three elemental categories: Muscle (60% resistance, +50% HP), Mysticality (80% resistance), and Moxie (60% resistance). The numbers in the table assume that the correct powder potion has been imbibed to reduce one element to negligible damage.

While the above does not capture the full range of possibilities given the passive skills available, it gives a good idea of what is possible.


BL Stat Phys
(Mus, 60% DA)
Phys
(Mus, 90% DA)
Phys
(Other, 60% DA)
Phys
(Other, 90% DA)
Drain
(Other)
Drain
(Myst)
Elt
(Mus)
Elt
(Mys)
Elt
(Mox)
24 12 31 8 47 12 20 13 14 11 21
24
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13 33 8 49 12 21 14 15 11 22
49 32 84 21 127 32 53 36 38 29 57
49
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34 89 22 133 33 56 38 40 30 60
74 57 150 38 225 56 95 63 68 51 101
74
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60 158 40 237 59 99 66 71 53 107
99 86 226 57 339 85 142 95 102 76 152
99
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90 237 59 356 89 149 99 107 80 160
124 117 309 77 464 116 194 130 139 104 208
124
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123 325 81 487 122 204 136 146 109 219
149 151 400 100 600 150 251 168 180 135 269
149
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158 420 105 630 158 264 176 189 141 283
174 187 497 124 746 187 312 208 223 167 335
174
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197 522 131 783 196 327 218 234 176 351
199 226 600 150 900 225 376 251 269 202 404
199
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237 630 158 945 236 395 264 283 212 424
224 266 708 177 1062 266 444 296 318 238 476
224
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280 743 186 1115 279 466 311 333 250 500
249 309 821 205 1232 308 515 343 368 276 552
249
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370 986 247 1479 370 618 412 442 332 663
299 399 1061 265 1591 398 665 443 476 357 713
299
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419 1114 279 1671 418 698 466 499 375 749
324 446 1187 297 1781 445 744 496 532 399 798
324
(5% padding)
468 1246 312 1870 467 781 521 559 419 838
349 495 1317 329 1976 494 825 550 590 443 886
349
(5% padding)
520 1383 346 2075 519 867 578 620 465 930
374 545 1451 363 2177 544 909 606 651 488 976
374
(5% padding)
572 1524 381 2286 571 955 637 683 512 1024
399 597 1589 397 2383 596 995 664 712 534 1068
399
(5% padding)
626 1668 417 2502 626 1045 697 748 561 1122
424 649 1730 433 2595 649 1084 723 775 582 1163
424
(5% padding)
682 1816 454 2725 681 1138 759 814 611 1221
449 704 1874 469 2811 703 1174 783 840 630 1260
449
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739 1968 492 2952 738 1233 822 882 662 1323
474 759 2022 506 3033 758 1267 845 906 680 1359
474
(5% padding)
797 2123 531 3185 796 1330 887 952 714 1427
499 816 2173 543 3259 815 1361 908 974 730 1461
499
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856 2282 570 3422 856 1429 953 1022 767 1534

The last row, 499, is most informative. It shows that all classes really need Tao to survive the HP test. Muscle/Moxie classes really need Wisdom of the Elder Tortoises in order to make diving feasible. Mysticality classes fare best against the elemental tests. Moxie classes are the worst in every category.

Strategy

From the information above, conclusions can be drawn about configurations that are very useful to have in a basement dive.

Permed Skills

Doing a dive without these skills can significantly increase the time and Meat costs of reaching level 500.

  • For most of the combat challenges, an uncapped combat spell will help: Fearful Fettucini, Saucegeyser, or Weapon of the Pastalord. Pastalord normally does only physical damage, which can be a problem for the ghost, but this can be rectified by using powder potions.
  • Spectral Snapper helps against the beer golem if spells aren't getting through. However, if one must choose between an uncapped spell or Snapper, the spell is a better choice, because it scales to a larger portion of main stat, and there are percentage-based spell damage increasers.
  • It's difficult to maximize DA without Tao of the Terrapin, and it helps with combats as well as the HP test.
  • Wisdom of the Elder Tortoises gives a 50% MP bonus, making the MP test much easier.
  • Spirit of Ravioli provides a 25% HP bonus.
  • Impetuous Sauciness gives five extra turns when drinking Sauceror potions, driving down costs.

Several buffs help in diving, but are available via buffbots and do not need to be permed.

Several other skills are not "must-have" like the above, but do simplify a dive.

Class Choices

As noted previously, there are several innate differences between character classes that can help one decide whether to do a dive on the current ascension.

  1. Mysticality classes have a resistance cap of 80%, and also an MP bonus of 50%. Saucerors get a five-turn duration bonus when imbibing saucecrafting potions (on top of any Impetuous Sauciness bonus), and additionally cook potions at a 3:1 product-to-ingredient ratio. For this reason, Saucerors are accepted as the cheapest class to dive.
  2. Muscle classes have a lower resistance cap of 60%, which is somewhat ameliorated with an intrinsic 50% HP bonus. Those needing to level and unwilling to clover their stats due to expenses might prefer Muscle classes to Mysticality ones, because of the Louvre Muscle reward speeding level-grinding.
  3. Moxie classes have neither HP nor MP bonuses, and have a 60% resistance cap. They are the worst classes to use in a dive.

Familiars

Given that there are no item or Meat drops in the basement, and monster levels ramp up so high so quickly, very few familiars are actually useful in a dive.

  • An Exotic Parrot helps with the elemental tests, without taking up an equipment slot.
  • A Levitating Potato can block attacks, which may be particularly helpful against the beer golem.
  • A Hovering Sombrero may be a good choice for increasing the already large stat gains at deep basement levels.

Equipment Choices

The Dressing For Success pages offer many hints on how to raise stats high enough to defeat the attribute challenges. However, several pieces of equipment are very useful in a dive and deserve explicit mention.

General Strategy

  • Characters willing to use up their fullness can drink Jumbo Dr. Lucifers to cheaply refill their MP for the MP tests.
  • Those having trouble passing the tests should save the diet buffs (e.g., wad effects, Flower Power) for basement diving later in their KoL day, after they've had a chance to raise their main stat some more.
  • The attribute and damage tests are not necessarily constant; due to the variations, one can pass a test with the exact same stats that have failed previously.
  • Doing the Mysterious Island Quest's side-quests as a Frat will be helpful. Mysterious Island Arena's Frat reward includes the Elvish buff, and the Nunnery's Frat reward heals up to 3,000 HP and MP per day.

Optimal Time to Start a Dive

Many players choose to do their dives concurrently with attaining their level 30 class trophies (e.g., the Seal Clubber's Scourge of Seals), as the high main stat at level 30 makes for an easier dive. However, a dive need not start at level 30, because the stat rewards over the course of finishing 500 basement levels are considerable, due to monster levels scaling exponentially. At level 100, 300 stats per combat are expected, roughly half of which will be distributed into the main stat. At level 400, over 2000 stats per combat will be earned.

Yeah, this section is kinda gonna be left incomplete since the distributions of combats versus stat tests are currently unknown.

Cost Expectations

Another question of interest concerns the expected buff costs for the various potions required for a successful level 500 dive. It is possible to calculate a cost ceiling for a dive, by summing over the potion costs of sustaining the buffs listed in the number-crunching section. While it is not necessary to be fully buffed all the time, the equalizing potions, xform effects, and healing/effect removal costs do eat up some of the overestimate.

It'd be kinda neat to have this estimate, but as before, it's difficult to calculate.

Notes

  • The original spading and strategizing for basement diving was largely done in the HCO forum.