Talk:Mr. Store

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Should we attempt to archive the descriptions Jick provides under the items in the Mr. Store? --Alpaca (T/C) 23:29, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

  • On each familiar page, the "function" (for each Mr. Store familiar) is usually (when I added them at least) the description you speak of. --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 23:33, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
  • Some Mr. Store items have their store descriptions in their notes section, but we are missing some, and especially Mr. Store familiars retired pre-wiki.--JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 23:37, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
  • Hmm, we probably should gather them all up and see what we are missing, but where should we put them all? This page? Format with borderless tables on one line? Would it make this page too long? etc. --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 00:04, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
  • I'm sure here is fine.--Dehstil (t|c) 16:27, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

Notes

As I said at Talk:Astral Badger should notes like the ones on Astral Badger, ice baby, ice pick, ice skates, and ice sickle be on every applicable page or just on this page?--Dehstil (t|c) 16:27, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

  • I think that as long as it mentions that the item in question is the IOTM, it should be enough - that in itself implies account undeletability. --Alpaca (T/C) 17:18, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
  • Ok, one more quick question. What Mr. Store items can you use in hardcore, none? And do the ice items count or is iceberglet technically the Mr. Store item?--Dehstil (t|c) 20:50, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
  • I think (In hardcore) you can use/hatch Mr. Store familiars, but can't equip any Mr. Store equipment. So use/aqueeze iceberglet, yes, equip no. They all (past ones) end up stuck in Hangk's when ascending hardcore anyway.--JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 23:17, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
    • 'Cept when Jinya managed to equip that first piece of Mr. Store equipment ever by pulling a Hardcore Mr. A out of Hagnk's to buy it and equipping it before Jick implemented the code to prevent that sort of thing. --Alpaca (T/C) 23:20, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

*cough*newmrstorefamiliars*cough*

I think we are forgetting something. *cough*newmrstorefamiliars*cough* --The preceding unsigned comment was added by ChickensAreFluffy (talk • contribs) at 00:45, 6 October 2006 (CST).

Bad Penguin Egg

As a supposed April Fool's Joke, on the March 31 update, Jick released the April's IoTM bad penguin egg into the Mr. Store, but the Mr. Store claimed it to be a "March's Monthly Special". However, the day after April Fool's rollover, the penguin egg was still there, and it still said "March's Monthly Special". Coding error? - Jewel12345

  • I could have sworn it said April today, maybe they were just slow-on-the-draw and forgot to change it. And speculation is best served via talk pages than in the actual article, I swear we attempt to make the wiki articles at least a little professional/formal... sometimes... maybe. ;-) --JRSiebz (☎|§|‡) 22:48, 2 April 2007 (CDT)

nodelete flag

Do you still get the nodelete flag if you have a Mr. Store familiar? Or does using the hatchling get rid of the nodelete flag?--Aznpride05 17:04, 11 April 2007 (CDT)

  • The page states: "Having a Mr. Store item, familiar, or skill at rollover..." Hatchlings count as Mr. Store items so keeping a hatchling without using it will mark your account no delete. As will using an item that grants a new familiar or skill. --TheDotGamer 00:22, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

Does the nodelete flag EVER get unset?--Almightysapling 03:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

  • No --Azrane 18:13, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Febtober?

I was looking in Mr. Store today and it says that the Mayflower Bouquet is "Febtober's monthly special." Link to pic [[1]]

I go back to it and it changes back to may. This has happened to me once before, any reason why it randomly shows up? Has this happened to anyone else?--Creamy 15:13, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

  • The only place Febtober is known to appear regularly is on the Calendar of Loathing, in place of Porktober. Are you running KoLmafia or using any special scripts? --Quietust (t|c) 15:28, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
  • Some greasemonkey scripts but none that add Febtober, I've checked. No KoLMafia either, and I've seen it before I ever installed any scripts. Just randomly shows up.--Creamy 15:31, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Eventually Move Previous Offerings?

October Marks the start of the fourth year of Mr. Store. The page gets just a little longer every month (and three times longer than usual in October). I'm pondering if it would be a good idea to eventually split the Previous items into their own page. It'd allow the Mr. Store page to stay concise. Just a thought. --Azrane 09:43, 4 October 2007 (CDT)

I think the page length and its tendency to lengthen are fine. I'm also of the opinion that people tend to be too timid to let a page get long, and as a result too often a single topic will be unduly divided among several pages. I for one like concise yet comprehensive pages exactly like this Mr. Store page. --Nigh Throbbing 11:00, 4 October 2007 (CDT)

Yearly Familiars

As many may have noticed, there hasn't been a release on the yearly familiars that have so religiously dropped every October 6th, replacing previous Volleychauns and Fairychauns and giving us new familiars in their wake. Any thought on what could be holding up this drop, if it may eeven occur this year.--Crack Jackie 10:45, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

  • In a recent radio show, Jick (or Skully) has basically said that since they know what it will do (i.e. fairychaun, volley/lep), they're not in a hurry to push it out until they have an idea for the familiar itself is going to be. They'd rather be a week or three late than push a familiar name they're not enamored with. --J12601 17:48, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
  • Skully said on tonight's show (Oct. 8), that unless something goes wrong (which is unlikely), the familiars will be updated tonight at rollover. --Azrane 22:19, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

Reorganizing

  • I'm reorganizing the Past IOTMs section into something a bit less unwieldy-- the list is getting really, really long. It shall be... A table! Much more compact. And I totally have a fetish for tables. --TechSmurf 23:50, 1 May 2008 (CDT)

Previous Offerings Table

Okay, that looks nice in principle, but it makes the page rather...unpleasantly wide. I think it might be better to put the years on the top and months on the side. For now, at least. Once the game gets old enough it'll become a fat-ass table again. --Flargen 00:51, 2 May 2008 (CDT)

  • Hmm. Seems to work fine on my screen. --TechSmurf 00:58, 2 May 2008 (CDT)
    • Wait, I just remembered I blocked the ad on the right. Okay, I can see how that would get crowded with less screen-space. --TechSmurf 00:59, 2 May 2008 (CDT)
    • You must have a much higher resolution than me. And I have that ad blocked, too. I'm working at 1024x768. And the table spills off the visible screen about midway through "October". I tend to judge whether something is too large or not by whether or not it causes a horizontal scroll bar to appear on my screen. Which means I am currently every so slightly irked by the Mad Hatrack table, as well; I'd gotten it non-scrolly until the whelp formulas were added in. --Flargen 01:02, 2 May 2008 (CDT)
      • So, I've tried various ways of shrinking the text down, and none of them seem to be working. The only other thing I can think of is to just have linked images by way of template:click. --TechSmurf 02:29, 2 May 2008 (CDT)
        • It's pretty close right now. A slight bit of extra scrollbar (with the ad blocked), but not much. I can see all of the table without needing to scroll. Have you tried putting the years on top? Like this:
2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
March  
lucky Tam O'Shanter
March hat
dandy lion cub
sane hatrack
May  
Mayflower bouquet
homeless hobo spirit
miniature gravy-covered maypole 		 
        • Hm, split years up into half-years? Code is ugly, but... so is sidescroll. --Bagatelle 16:25, 4 May 2008 (CDT)
          • I like this idea, as it means that there is not now, nor will there ever BE the necessity to sidescroll. 1440 is JUST wide enough to get it the way it is now... even ONE mystical book next year will have a name long enough to push the bounds.--Almightysapling 03:57, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
  January ...
July ....
2007
Great Ball of Frozen Fire 		...

bottle-rocket crossbow 		...
          • I apparently completely missed this update. Anyway, I tried switching the chart around. Feedback? --TechSmurf 00:25, 5 May 2008 (CDT)
            • Works for me. Any reason you left the font size at 85%? Everything should fit without scroll bars at 100% for 1024x768 and with the ad blocked. Does it also remove the bar with the ad unblocked, maybe? --Flargen 00:31, 5 May 2008 (CDT)
              • I forgot to remove the size tag. Also, just checked it on another computer with the ad present, and it was fine. --TechSmurf 00:34, 5 May 2008 (CDT)
    • I have 1024x768 and the ad to the side is blocked off and the page is still stupidly wide.--Xsmootx 01:19, 2 May 2008 (CDT)
      • I have 1440x900 on my laptop, and it's just small enough for my screen. --Aprocalypse 01:16, 2 May 2008 (CDT)
I'm running 1280x800 and if the ad wasn't blocked, it would be causing me problems. Although it might look a bit daft initially, how about flipping it on it's side, with years at the top and months down the side? --Melon 06:29, 2 May 2008 (CDT)

I like the table. Gratz on all who are working on it.--Pakrat 19:50, 2 May 2008 (CDT)

Looks much better, good job shrinking it down. --Xsmootx 02:37, 6 May 2008 (CDT)

I don't care much for this table business at all. It looks awkward and smacks of putting a table on the page just because a table could be put on the page, whether it should or not. I understand where the table-itis is coming from, but the previous simple list was the lesser of the two evils. --Nigh Throbbing 04:09, 31 July 2008 (CDT)

The table's even wider now, with 2009 upon us. Would it help to go through and put break tags in the longer-named items? Can this be done in a way that doesn't break the wiki-linking?--StDoodle 20:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

side-scroll is the suck

I think we need to revisit this discussion, unless there's already a plan in place. The table seems to be encroaching upon the edge of the main content area. I honestly don't see any reason why this table needs to be on the Mr. Store page-- perhaps we could make a page like "Previous Mr. Store Offerings" where we listed them instead, divided by year? It's also worth noting that we currently have a Category:Mr. Store Items page; perhaps the information could be put there. --Southwest 19:07, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

  • i concur. adding the 2011 items would break the page.
    1. two tables?
    2. no tables (just the cat?)
    3. three rows/year, four columns (jan-apr, etc?)
    4. something else?
  • i vote three, and in reverse order, most recent at the top. --Evilkolbot 20:31, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

This isn't really a recent problem -- on devices with small screens such as netbooks it was already pretty bad.

But the table is pretty informative to look at, since there are some patterns to the IotM. I'd suggest just displaying the images, with hover text for the name, except for the 2 right most columns? Might require a new template (HoverItem?) to complement StackItem and InlineItem. --Starwed 21:08, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

  • Multiprong approach:
  1. Ditch the item names altogether and put just the images in for the table.
  2. Include a smaller name+image table of "last three offerings"
  3. Then on Category:Mr. Store Items page include a list of them in cronological order.
  4. Replace the wide month names with a vertical text month name, possibly plain text + CSS, possibly images.
  • It would also be cool to color code the cells based on item type. Green for familiars, red for equipment, yellow for familiar equipment, blue for spell books, white for other (eg, VIP room stuff). --22:04, 18 January 2011 (UTC) (What happened to my sig? --Club (#66669) (Talk) 23:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC))

I have a widescreen monitor, so I don't notice this as much. However, it might be worth considering transposing the table. Have the months go across the top, and the years go down the side, compress the months to their three-character format, and then you have the table growing vertically, rather than horizontally. --RoyalTonberry 22:12, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

  • vertical growth good. twelve columns is a bit much, no? really small text? text on hover could be an answer. i like the colours idea. --Evilkolbot 22:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
    • oh, yes, i forgot, on a netbook everything sucks so you don't notice as much. --Evilkolbot 22:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I like the vertical growth idea. I also wouldn't mind just starting another, identical table above it. Color-coding would be neat.--P4n1q 22:44, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

The table was, briefly, arranged this way. I liked the layout, but it was changed due to screen-stretching. Moving the table to a subpage won't solve a vertically expanding table stretching the page... Abbreviating the months might help fix that. --TechSmurf 23:00, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


Transposed Table

Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2011
2010













2009


April 1st on this
and subsequent years









2008











2007











2006











2005


April 1st only







2004



This table looks mostly okay on my screen, the April stuff is a little wonky. This is just tricking StackItem to display a space as the link name. --RoyalTonberry 01:38, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

  • One more note, I rather like the look of the table with the names displayed, but my monitor makes it easy for me to like that, since as previously mentioned, widescreen. --RoyalTonberry 01:44, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Having seen this version of the table, I don't think it's satisfactory yet. I definitely think we should add padding to the cells, because the cell borders are so close to the item images that it appears like an illegible mess. I also second the notion above to keep a version of the table with the item names somewhere on the wiki. This is a good abbreviated form, but I think there should be a more full version somewhere or other. -Southwest 02:03, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
    • I added the <br style="line-height:0px;" />, instead of <br/>, which made the space between stacked pictures smaller. I also added the <small> tag for the descriptions. I think would could make it even smaller if someone could add alternate text to Template:StackItem----Icon315♕ (☎|♤) 02:42, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
      • Why don't we just split it into two fully-functional tables? And when those grow too large: three tables! And so on. --Flargen 03:04, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
        • On the split into multiple tables idea, take a look at the quicky I whipped out in the sandbox. I'm not happy enough with it to propose it, but maybe it will help inspire other ideas. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 19:24, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
          • That wastes a lot of horizontal space on any resolution, unfortunately. I think the best solution will be the one that keeps the compactness of the IotM table while using the most horizontal space possible without going wider than a 1024x768 resolution page can fit (based on the last numbers I've seen, that's the smallest resolution width-wise that is commonly used outside of netbooks; there's got to be a line somewhere). I also like the idea of going with a smaller, icon-only transposed table on the main store page but then keeping a larger version with the names available as well. In theory one could make the tables one and the same using some javascript and classes to change the side and show/hide text but that might be overcomplicating things. --Lordebon 00:56, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
          • I didn't mean one table per year. I meant, like, 4-5 years per table. That's why I said specifically two tables. --Flargen 01:14, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Why not simply move 'previous items of the month' to another page? Is there a need for them to be all on this one page?--Lxndr 19:38, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

  • There is no need for them to be here, but where ever they go, it would be nice if they fit. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 21:53, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
    • The new Content familiar page makes me think that we should items by month of issue and highlight any patterns that have emerged, linking off to man pages like Content familiar when appropriate. December items are all Crimbo related, February items are typically love themed, April items are always jokes, etc. (And also, I think we should treat April 1st as if it were it's own month.) --Club (#66669) (Talk) 19:59, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
  • I like the image-only one. Here be a vote that the April 1st familiars be put at the bottom as a note. Asterisks and whatever in the actual table. Maybe do the same for the VIP invitations. And (reaching here) color-coding the items as equipment (separate but similar color for foldables?), skillbook, familiar, VIP, other? (And patches, when we get one more.) --Raijinili 00:39, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
    • The one above? Ugh, I think it's hideous and completely uninformative (sorry RT). I like the current one. I can see it doesn't scale, but it'll be several years before that's a problem for me (cf widescreen). Previous suggestions of a basic transposition of the current design or splitting/archiving older years seem like a much better solution. --Fig bucket 01:00, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

A multistep solution

Here's my proposal: First, we create Previous Mr. Store Offerings. This page can hold previous offerings tables like the one currently on this page, divided into five-calendar year chunks (so, currently, there would be two tables, 2004-2008, and 2009-2013). There would also be a section on that page for previous "premium" familiars-- the annual Volleychauns and Fairychauns.

We also create a page for IotM trends, and make sure it's amply linked on the Previous Mr. Store Offerings page. This page would describe recurring trends or themes in Items of the Month, linking to relevant pages (e.g.: Content familiar) when appropriate.

Then we remove the previous offerings table and the premium familiars list from the Mr. Store page, and link to the replacement pages. Perhaps some content could be added-- maybe a list of this year's Items of the Month so far, or the last six items, but not the full table of all previous offerings.

It's a lot of work, but I think this would solve our problems in the long run while keeping an organized, easy-to-navigate wiki. I'd be glad to start work on this, but I want to put it up for discussion before making any big changes. -Southwest 19:51, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

whats it say?

What appears when you buy something? I know it's not {PURCHASE TEXT) like it says on the page, complete with a {, and a ). The store existed since the wiki started and NOBODY KNOWS? Honestly? I think it says "Thank you for your patronage!". Can any confirm?--Starguy 05:17, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Recent Changes Breakage - Previous Mr. Store Items

Just noting that the table of previous Mr. Store items is half broken, with the images for the items not showing up and the names showing in a strange manner, with '(?)' showing up after them in the links. Oh, and the same thing happens for the yearly items as well. I left a message for JRSiebz on his discussion page. Thanks, StealthPenguin 06:01, 27 June 2011 (CEST)

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