Talk:Daily Activities

Arena

Can you really use the Arena three times a day? I thought it was only once. --Tripwood 16:09, 28 January 2008 (CST)

Same. Guess someone needs to test/confirm this. I can see how what the Arena page itself says could be misleading. --Flargen 16:15, 28 January 2008 (CST)

Librams

It seems like it is obvious to mention that libram usage cost gets reset on rollover, but my addition was removed. What is the rationale here? --Jonrock 20:53, 17 February 2008 (CST)

Because the only thing that limits the use of librams is how much MP you have, which is a very mutable quantity. This is true for EVERY skill that consumes MP, and as such is not worth mentioning on a page about things that have daily limitations (unless we wish to be insane and list all such skills). --Flargen 20:56, 17 February 2008 (CST)

I disagree. Yes, all other skills are limited in usage by the amount of MP you can restore during a day. However, since the cost of using librams increases with every usage, they are the only skill(s) limited in usage by your MP maximum. The fact that this rising cost gets reset by rollover should be relevant. --Jonrock 21:01, 17 February 2008 (CST)

It is relevant to librams, yes, and as such it is mentioned on their pages and the bookshelf pages. Your maximum MP is very mutable as well, and there is no upper bound on maximum MP, at least that anyone has yet to find (and probably ever will). --Flargen 21:04, 17 February 2008 (CST)

As has been mentioned already, the MP cost of a Libram is definitely not really comparable to every other spell. I'd also like to point out that a large portion of the ascending player base is bound to be level 13 or lower, and the supposed infinite mana pools that they'd have would therefore simply not exist. When I'm not in BM I definitely consider summoning Hearts/Divine items a "daily and bounded" activity. Bakapyrite 23:13, 17 February 2008 (CST)

There's no limit to your maximum level, so why is donating to the halls on this list? --Jonrock 21:07, 17 February 2008 (CST)

Because it's a readily computed formula for any character, with only a slight stat dependency and NO dependency upon equipment or status effects. Assuming it's up-to-date and accounts for every possibility properly, I suppose you could use the KoL Diety entries on the maximimizing your MP and Myst pages to try to come up with a formula for maximum MP based on current Myst, but this formula will change every time a better item gets introduced into the kingdom. And the formula will be discontinuous (or at best piecewise continuous) with Myst, anyway, since at sufficiently high Myst something like a drywall axe becomes more effective than the usual +Myst equipment. Plus at sufficiently ridiculous myst levels you'll probably have more limitations from the speed of your connection to the server than anything else. --Flargen 21:33, 17 February 2008 (CST)

I agree with Jonrock in that the Librams should be on this page. These Daily Activities generally list counters that are limited in times used or done every day. I would think that you will not be able to use a libram infinite times because no matter what the MP cost will eventually reach or exceed your own maximum MP. In addition, most of the items on the list mentioned reset each rollover or ascension, like the Librams. --CG1:t,c,e 21:38, 17 February 2008 (CST)

Dependence on equipment and buffs is disallowed? So you'll be removing the PvP section, then? Instead of such contorted logic, how about defining what belongs on this list with six simple words: "The counter gets reset at rollover." --Jonrock 21:48, 17 February 2008 (CST)

To me, the bottom line is usefulness. No one will be harmed by the presence of the Librams on this page, and if someone is using it to remember their daily "chores", they would find mention of the Librams useful. --Starwed 21:51, 17 February 2008 (CST)

Since the prevailing opinion is against me, I suppose it will have to be added back in. But for the record:

1. Even at low levels the primary impediment to casting hearts is how much MP you can acquire, not your maximum MP, just like any other skill. It doesn't take very many skills before you can have a high enough max MP to (hypothetically) summon 9 or 10 in a day at level 1. Actually acquiring enough MP to create that many, however, is another story entirely. Especially if you want to cast anything else that day. Just as with any other skill. The primary distinction is that it hits the MP acquisition ceiling faster than any other skill.
2. Your number of PvP fights can only be boosted in a very limited number of ways. The number of ways to boost your myst and max MP, even in hardcore or BM, is frankly ridiculous (and I don't mean "11"). I'll go out on a limb and say this playing field will never level. "PvP fights" is a much simpler, much more limited beast.
3. Libram (and tome and grimoire) skills can be made to appear in your list of skills through your account settings. It's no more difficult to remember than any other skill that consumes MP. Point being, it's just another MP consuming skill.

--Flargen 00:21, 18 February 2008 (CST)

"Point being, it's just another MP consuming skill." "The primary distinction is that it hits the MP acquisition ceiling faster than any other skill." Also.... "Even at low levels the primary impediment to casting hearts is how much MP you can acquire, not your maximum MP, just like any other skill." You're clearly contradicting yourself here, you just don't seem to want to put the pieces together. Edit: And a softcore character with unlimited meat could cast an unlimited amount of any normal spell. They'd still have to stop casting Hearts/Favors eventually because they'd reach the max mana amount. Until the next day. Bakapyrite 16:07, 18 February 2008 (CST)

I'd say that one person will eventually be limited in the number of candy hearts summoned. Let's say that your max MP (after buffs, etc.) is 150. Then, your max number of candy hearts summonable is 17, as the 18th candy heart costs 154 MP, and your max MP is 150. As 154>150, you cannot summon 18 candy hearts, only 17. Now take an ambiguous max MP, X. You can only summon candy hearts such that the mp cost of summoning the Nth candy heart is less than X. Therefore, the number of candy hearts summonable per day is limited by max MP, so it should be put on this page. --CG1:t,c,e 16:44, 18 February 2008 (CST)

You missed the point entirely. Acquiring the MP to summon all 17 hearts without neglecting the use of other skills typically used in a run--or even when ignoring them--is where the bottleneck is, not your maximum MP. You'll need something like a decent weight and well-stocked frobo/hobo or a lot of meat to burn on MMJ. It takes 833 MP to get all 17, after all. That's no meager amount (some 40+ MMJs alone at level 10). I can easily get my max MP to much greater (relative) heights than I can my MP restore during most of the run. Including in BM. My last run my TT had more MP than HP from about levels 3 to 9, but I rarely had more MP than I needed just to keep the starting buff going. Even during crimbo, when I was just power leveling and/or item farming (and could use buffbots for most of my needs), I was nearing my last adventures for the day by the time I had encountered the max MP barrier, and I wasn't even trying to get my max MP higher. I was just using what I naturally had from stats, equipment, and buffs. If your sole purpose is to summon a ton of hearts (say you want a mall monopoly), then yes you have a tangible daily limit (which could hypothetically be computed if one were to trudge through every possible MP/myst buff and then acquire all of the best ones). But for practical purposes the issue is exactly the same is it is for, say, Empathy of the Newt: MP acquisition. --Flargen 17:38, 18 February 2008 (CST)

However, there is a MP cost counter that resets upon rollover (or ascension), unlike most other skills like empathy, where the MP cost does not reset. In addition, as the MP cost increases as more hearts (or favors) are summoned, there is more of a limit to the Librams than normal buffs. --CG1:t,c,e 19:06, 18 February 2008 (CST)

Reorganization

One person suggested separating out the VIP stuff from the Clan stuff. My thought is that maybe a section for copied combats would be nice. Also, for brickos and hipster fights maybe - combats that don't take an adventure.

Other thoughts? --Orbrisa 18:03, 27 July 2011 (CEST)

• It has grown poorly. It looked so neat and tidy when I first made the page. Part of the poor growth is including all of the conditions. How many free rests do you get a day? How many free runaways? Some of those things need to be fixed. Maybe something like this:

(snip first version, see larger version below) --Club (#66669) (Talk) 19:39, 27 July 2011 (CEST)

This idea has some merit - I like this proposal. --Wrldwzrd89 23:32, 28 July 2011 (CEST)

Enlarged version (still not nearly everything): (snipped) --Club (#66669) (Talk) 01:32, 30 July 2011 (CEST)

Enlarged version (with everything):

Class	What	Requirement	Daily Limit	Notes
adventure	smash barrels	guild miniquest	36	spend 1 adv per smash
adventure	kill ducks	post-war	5, 10, or 15	Five if duck miniquest not completed, 10 if completed as Hippy, 15 if completed as Frat
adventure	The Daily Dungeon	15 main stat	1	uses up to 10 adv per day
adventure	Change gender in the Sleazy Back Alley	500 Meat	1
adventure	Treasury	Knob Goblin Elite Guard Uniform	1	get 300 Meat "wages"
adventure	Treasury	Knob Goblin Harem Girl Disguise	1	get 500 Meat "wages"
adventure	The Marinara Trench for bubbling tempura batter	Tempuramancy	3
adventure	The Dive Bar for seaode	Salacious Cocktailcrafting	3
adventure side-effect	free adventure	V for Vivala mask	10	sometimes given on critical hits
adventure side-effect	white rice	Whitey's Grove	3	more possible with rice bowl
adventure side-effect	white rice	Whitey's Grove and rice bowl	+2
adventure side-effect	beer lens	A Barroom Brawl	3
adventure side-effect	astral mushroom	Astral Badger	5
adventure side-effect	tiny bottle of absinthe	Green Pixie	5
adventure side-effect	agua de vida	Baby Sandworm	5
adventure side-effect	llama lama gong	Llama Lama	5
adventure side-effect	Game Grid token	Rogue Program	5
adventure side-effect	transporter transponder	Li'l Xenomorph	5
adventure side-effect	free healing candy	Cotton Candy Carnie	10	quality of item depends on familiar weight
adventure side-effect	bouquet flowers	Mayflower bouquet	5
adventure side-effect	familiar feast	moveable feast	5
adventure side-effect	ironic moustache	Mini-Hipster	1	only if hipster does not have item equipped and no moustaches in inventory or closet
adventure side-effect	bag of many confections	Stocking Mimic	1	only if mimic does not have item equipped
ascension	the Styx Pixie buff	Bad Moon	1
ascension	plant mushrooms	Degrassi Knoll moon sign
bounty	complete a bounty	the Bounty Hunter Hunter's Shack	2	twice only possible if one bounty is from a previous day
buff	playing with toys	outrageous sombrero	1	+3% item drops
buff	Smile upon your friends	Golden Mr. Accessory	5	five per golden Mr A
buff	Arse Shoot your friends	arse-shooting crossbow	5
buff	Employee of the Month	Managerial Manipulation	1
buff	The Ballad of Richie Thingfinder (effect)	The Ballad of Richie Thingfinder	10	also must be AT
buff	Benetton's Medley of Diversity (effect)	Benetton's Medley of Diversity	10	also must be AT
buff	Elron's Explosive Etude (effect)	The Ballad of Richie Thingfinder	10	also must be AT
buff	Chorale of Companionship (effect)	The Ballad of Richie Thingfinder	10	also must be AT
buff	Donho's Bubbly Ballad (effect)	Donho's Bubbly Ballad	50	also must be AT
buff	Inigo's Incantation of Inspiration (effect)	Inigo's Incantation of Inspiration	5
buff	get enraged	Vent Rage Gland	1
buff	hat buff	The Mad Tea Party	1
clan misc	Clan Training	Meat cost	15	clan leaders buy training for all members
clan misc	take from clan stash	Clan Karma	clan limit	clan karma is earned by donating to stash
consume items	ballast turtle	ballast turtle	1
consume items	hyperinflated seal lung	hyperinflated seal lung	1
consume items	pressurized potion of pneumaticity	pressurized potion of pneumaticity	1
consume items	tempura air	tempura air	1
consume items	essential tofu	essential tofu	1
consume items	eat food	ascension path allows eating	15 fullness	normal state
consume items	eat food	Stomach of Steel	+5 fullness
consume items	eat food	Feast of Boris	+5 fullness
consume items	distention pill	distention pill	1	reduces fullness of next food item by 1
consume items	spleen item	-	15 spleen damage	normal state
consume items	spleen item	Spleen of Steel	+5 spleen damage
consume items	drink booze	ascension path allows drinking	14 drunkenness	normal state, exceeding tipsiness limit enters drunken stupor
consume items	drink booze	Liver of Steel	+5 drunkenness
consume items	drink booze	ascension path allows drinking	1 last drink	any drink that takes you to or over your drunkenness limit
consume items	spice melange	spice melange	1	reduces fullness and drunkenness by 3
consume items	mojo filter	mojo filter	3	reduces spleen damage by 1
consume items	eat extra-greasy slider	extra-greasy slider, 5 fullness	1	reduces spleen damage by 5
consume items	drink jar of fermented pickle juice	jar of fermented pickle juice, 5 drunkenness	1	reduces spleen damage by 5
consume items	have chocolate	chocolate	3
consume items	synthetic dog hair pill	synthetic dog hair pill	reduces drunkenness by 1
combat	run away	navel ring of navel gazing or Greatest American Pants	3	both share the same counter, more free run possible but not aways certain
combat	run away	Frumious Bandersnatch with Ode to Booze, Pair of Stomping Boots	weight/5	both share the same counter
combat	free fight	Mini-Hipster	7	occur randomly while adventuring with hipster
combat	free fight	Seal Clubber	5	use infernal seal figurines, more available with Claw of the Infernal Seal
combat	free fight	Seal Clubber with Claw of the Infernal Seal	+5	use infernal seal figurines
combat	fight copied monster	shaking 4-d camera	1
combat	fight copied monster	photocopied monster	1
combat	fight copied monster	Spooky Putty sheet	5
combat	fight BRICKOs	BRICKO beasts	10
combat skill	Creepy Grin	V for Vivala mask	1	banishes a monster
combat skill	Magic Missile for free Mountain Stream soda	jewel-eyed wizard hat and Temporary Blindness	1
combat skill	Summon Mayfly Swarm	mayfly bait necklace	30
combat skill	Fire a badly romantic arrow	Obtuse Angel	1	trails the monster
combat skill	Release the Boots	Pair of Stomping Boots	7	recharges after five victorious fights
combat skill	MP restore	Consume Burrowgrub	3
combat skill	Summon hobo underling	Hodgman's Regal Frippery	5
combat skill	Summon Pasta Guardians	Pastamancer	5	more with with Bandolier of the Spaghetti Elemental
combat skill	Summon Pasta Guardians	Bandolier of the Spaghetti Elemental	+5
combat item	Frosty's iceball	Frosty's iceball	2	twice safely
combat item	software glitch for free adventure	software glitch	1
combat item	Photograph a monster	4-d camera	2	must use shaking 4-d camera between photographing
combat item	bag 'o tricks buff	Bag o' Tricks	3
Clan Rumpus Room	play Mr. Klaw "Skill" Crane Game	clan must have item	3
Clan Rumpus Room	get snacks	clan must have item (A Snack Machine)	3
Clan Rumpus Room	Marquis de Poivre soda	clan must have item (A Soda Machine)	3
Clan Rumpus Room	listen to jukebox	clan must have item (A Jukebox)	1
Clan Rumpus Room	listen to radio	clan must have item (An Old-Timey Radio)	1
Clan Rumpus Room	An Exotic Hanging Meat Orchid	clan must have item	1
Clan Rumpus Room	pick meat (Orchid)	clan must have item (An Exotic Hanging Meat Orchid)	1
Clan Rumpus Room	pick meat (Tree)	clan must have item (A Potted Meat Tree)	1
Clan Rumpus Room	pick meat (Bush)	clan must have item (A Potted Bush Tree)	1
Clan Rumpus Room	Having a Ball!	clan must have item (An Awesome Ball Pit)	1
Clan VIP Lounge	play Deluxe Mr. Klaw "Skill" Crane Game	need Clan VIP Lounge key	3
Clan VIP Lounge	soak in hot tub	need Clan VIP Lounge key	5
Clan VIP Lounge	play pool	need Clan VIP Lounge key, clan must have item (A Pool Table)	3
Clan VIP Lounge	"DRINK ME" potion	need Clan VIP Lounge key, clan must have item (A Looking Glass)	1
Clan VIP Lounge	take shower	need Clan VIP Lounge key, clan must have item (April Shower)	1
crafting	Nash Crosby's Still	Superhuman Cocktailcrafting and moxie class	10
farm	pumpkins	requires a Pumpkin Patch	1
free action	rest	requires Disco Nap	+1
free action	rest	requires Disco Power Nap	+2
free action	rest	requires Executive Narcolepsy	+1
free action	mine	Unaccompanied Miner	5	shared counter among all mines
housing bonus	Pyramid Power	requires a Pyramid	3
housing bonus	Holiday Bliss	requires a Gingerbread House, Crimbo wreath, Crimbo lights, and/or Crimbo reindeer set up	1
housing bonus	Ginormous Pumpkin	requires a Ginormous Pumpkin	1
misc	get shot with a time's arrow	be out of ronin / hardcore	someone else has to shoot you
pvp	attack someone	smash that hippy crap	10	plus any bonus
quest reward	blessing	Copse of the Deep Fat Friars	1
quest reward	Wizard of Ego book	Wizard of Ego	1
quest reward	free Meat	The Organic Produce Stand	1
quest reward	arena buff	Mysterious Island Arena	1
quest reward	massage or healed	Our Lady of Perpetual Indecision	3
quest reward	free combat items	The Lighthouse Keeper	1	only while war is ongoing
quest reward	free cooking ingredients	McMillicancuddy's Farmhouse	1	only while war is ongoing
quest reward	Summon a Demon	defeat Lord Spookyraven	1	most unsuccessful summons don't count
quest reward	Finstrong buff	Comet, the Roller Skate	1	make Skate Park roller skate territory
quest reward	Fishy buff	Lutz, the Ice Skate	1	make Skate Park ice skate territory
quest reward	Busker Do buff	The Bandshell	1	clear the gangs from The Skate Park
quest reward	Swimming Head buff	A Merry-Go Round	1	clear the gangs from The Skate Park
quest reward	Familial Ties buff	The Eclectic Eels	1	clear the gangs from The Skate Park
quest reward	free fisherman's sack	Fishing Village	1
quest reward	vial of slime	A Boat	10
reusable items	buff random clannie	creepy voodoo doll	1
reusable items	muscle stat gain	handmade hobby horse	1
reusable items	mysticality stat gain	ball-in-a-cup	1
reusable items	moxie stat gain	set of jacks	1
reusable items	MP gain	Oscus's neverending soda	1
reusable items	free candy	Chester's bag of candy	1
reusable items	free toast	cheap toaster	3
reusable items	free drinks	Emblem of Ak'gyxoth/Idol of Ak'gyxoth	1	shared counter
reusable items	temporary skill	burrowgrub hive	gives 3 uses of Consume Burrowgrub combat skill
reusable items	free breath mint	glass gnoll eye	1
reusable items	Less Pervious buff	STYX deodorant body spray	1
reusable items	buff extension, MP restore	Platinum Yendorian Express Card	1	all buffs +5, cools wand, restores all MP
reusable items	buff extension	Bag o' Tricks	1	five random buffs +3
reusable items	Clyde's Blessing	The Legendary Beat	1
reusable items	Bone Homie	Stabonic scroll	1
reusable items	CRIMBCO cookie buff	coal paperweight	1
reusable items	Crimbo cookie buff	jingle bell	1
ronin	Hagnk's	[[[Ascension#Normal Difficulty|Ronin]]	20 pulls	1000 Meat counts as one pull
stat gain	by donating Meat	the named keys	{level}x10,000 Meat	limit is shared among all gates
stat gain	at the library	library card	1	random stat, lose item
summon	dry noodles	Pastamastery	3	more available with advanced skills
summon	dry noodles	Transcendental Noodlecraft	+2	requires Pastamastery
summon	scrumptious reagent	Advanced Saucecrafting	3	more available with advanced skills
summon	scrumptious reagent	The Way of Sauce	+2	requires Advanced Saucecrafting
summon	scrumptious reagent	Gravyskin Belt of the Sauceblob	+3	requires Advanced Saucecrafting
summon	prismatic wad	Rainbow Gravitation, five elemental wads	3	consumes one of each elemental wad per cast
summon	sack lunch	Lunch Break	1
summon	snowcone	Summon Snowcones	3	shared counter among all tomes
summon	stickers	Summon Stickers	3	shared counter among all tomes
summon	sugar sheet	Summon Sugar Sheets	3	shared counter among all tomes
summon	BRICKO eye brick	Summon BRICKOs	3	MP cost increases with each libram use
summon	libram items	libram(s)	up to max MP	no fixed limit, but MP cost increases with each libram use
summon	hilarious objects	Summon Hilarious Objects	1	yields three objects
summon	tasteful gifts	Summon "Tasteful" Gifts	1	yields five gifts
summon	Alice's Army cards	Summon Alice's Army Cards	1	yields one pack and one voucher
trade	clover	worthless item, possibly hermit permit	3 to 4	fewer in ronin/hardcore
trade	clover	worthless item, possibly hermit permit	-2	ronin/hardcore penalty
trade	clover	worthless item, possibly hermit permit	+2	St. Sneaky Pete's Day bonus
zap	zap an item	wand	1 safely	only successful zaps count
zap	zap an item	wand	+4 unsafe	only successful zaps count
zap	cool zapping wand	Platinum Yendorian Express Card	1	all buffs +5, cools wand, restores all MP

--Club (#66669) (Talk) 23:58, 5 August 2011 (CEST)

Limited cast AT skills

Currently it is listing the effect as limited. That's wrong you can get tons of them from records now. What is limited is the skill casting. Also, somehow "Prelude of Precision" is missing from the list. --Bale 03:02, 16 September 2011 (CEST)

• While the special AT songs may be much more available ever since you can put them on wax, as far as I know the number of times you can play the songs is still limited. After all this is a list of things you can do by yourself, not receive. --Yatsufusa 03:45, 16 September 2011 (CEST)

Exactly so. Perhaps I wasn't clear. The AT songs are listed as class "buff". However, as you say, there is not limited on getting the buff. What matters is the number of times you can play the song. However there is no class that seems to fit. Should a new classification like "skill" be invented? --Bale 09:19, 17 September 2011 (CEST)

The Florist Friar's Cottage

Should The Florist Friar's Cottage be mentioned, as the number of usages is limited per day? "You may only plant 1 of each plant variety per day (across all zones of each terrain type)." --MageRed (talk) 01:06, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

• Yes. The Florist should be added. --Club (#66669) (Talk) 01:54, 15 July 2013 (UTC)